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leumas
Posted on Friday, December 17, 1999 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cAN SOMEONE HELP ME locate Ellen White's Will?
Can someone prove to me that 95% of all CHRISTIAN MARRIAGES is not for legal sex?
David and Lydell
Posted on Saturday, December 18, 1999 - 4:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Those who I know, including ourselves, who married did so as a way of testifying to each other and God that we were committing to each other emotionally, spiritually, financially, physically, and every other way we could think of for the duration of our lives. It is the ultimate way of declaring to someone that you love someone so completely that you are literally laying yourself on the line to prove it. It is the ultimate selfless gift. To term this as a method of having "legal sex" shows the most extreme ignorance of what true love embodies.
Richard and Colleen Tinker
Posted on Saturday, December 18, 1999 - 9:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We second Dave and Lydell. Our marriage was a promise of love, loyalty, commitment, friendship, support, and growth for the rest of our lives, whatever they bring. Since our marriage included step-children, our promises were not just about ourselves. Our marriage included promises of life-long loving and nurturing for children who had no biological tie to one of us. Sex was not on the list of considerations when we decided to marry. Sex is a mutual gift when it's in a marriage of integrity.

Speaking of sex, it's fascinating that it's one of the gifts to humanity that's most twisted by evil. Jesus calls the church his bride. The NT is full of marriage images to describe Jesus and his people. There's something about the intimacy and transcendence of a true marriage that open a window onto a bigger truth about Jesus and us.

Pagans religions often include ritual sex as parts of their religious practices. These acts do not include commitment, relationship, love, exclusivity, or caring. God, however, calls himself a "jealous God". He calls us to forsake everything and to commit ourselves exclusively to him. God gave us marriage for a reason even bigger than our own mutual support. It has to do with our love and intimacy with him.

We praise God for the gift of our marriage.
Cas
Posted on Sunday, December 19, 1999 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe Ellen White's will is on
Ellenwhite.org.
Allenette
Posted on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 6:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmm, well, the subject of this thread certainly doesnt apply to the talked about material, does it!! :-) I guess the subject matter was inevitable somewhere down the line :-)
As an old married woman, I will give my 2 cents worth. If two people only wanted to look out for the best in each other :-) there might be a reason for a civil marriage ceremony, if they wanted one. I find that in religious conversations concerning marriage, there is this weirdo (to me) AVOIDANCE of any appearance of SEXUALITY especially in my experience in SDA. With all due respect, the above posts sound to me more like couples that want some sort of angelic appearance rather than sensual. (your loss, Toots)C'mon people get real. We do what we do and we enjoy it (hopefully)!!! No need to explain WHY we DONT do this or that for some silly SDA reason, right?
renie
Posted on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WAY TO GO, ALLENETTE.....I've been married almost 57 years but I can remember the first time I saw my husband in his uniform. He was a 'hunk'. And he still is........

I can truthfully say that the times we had problems in our marriage, the sex kept us together and helped us ride it out. Not the other way around

David and Lydell,Richard and Coleen......I really appreciate your posts. Sounds like good marriages. I will have to say, however, sex was a big part of our marriage from the beginning and it has lasted a very long time.

Sex is one of the greatest of God's ideas. People do it, animals do it, birds and bugs do it. It's one of those really successful ideas. Thank you, God.....
Jude the Obscure
Posted on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear all, for an insight that may not be as rare as you might think on this rather sensitive topic, see the new FICTION THE SDA'S CAN NEVER PUBLISH discussion. Be warned! Be very warned! -Jude

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