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Geneva Chinnock
Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2000 - 1:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thinking back on your exodus from Adventism, what Scripture verses or passages were pivotal in your understanding which led you to freedom in Christ and to Jesus Christ as your Sabbath Rest? Try to limit it to five!
Joni
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 10:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

John 17:3
"And this is eternal life, that they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent".

Luke 10:20
" Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven."
Lori
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1) Galatians 4:21-31

2) Hebrews 8: 7-13

3) Ephesians 1:13

4) Romans 14

5) Colossians 2:16,17
Lori
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1) Galatians 4:21-31

2) Hebrews 8: 7-13

3) Ephesians 1:13

4) Romans 14

5) Colossians 2:16,17
Lori
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1) Galatians 4:21-31

2) Hebrews 8: 7-13

3) Ephesians 1:13

4) Romans 14

5) Colossians 2:16,17
Lori
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 12:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oops! sorry for the triple post!!!!
don't know how that happened?!
Jude the Obscure
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a hard one for me, for there are so many many texts. The first one, the one that started me on my loooong journey, was Romans 3:10-18, where Paul paraphrases from Psalm 14:1-3. I'll quote part of it here using the NIV:

"There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

I was attending Adelphian Academy in Holly, Michigan at the time. The text perplexed me, so I sought help from the boys' dean and read it to him.

He acted shocked that such a text was even in the Bible and said, "Oh, no! That couldn't possibly refer to God's people!"

Case closed. Or so he thought. I've always been something of a rebel, and so in my heart I finished reading Romans without further consultation from him or anyone else. And my undersetanding grew and grew.

I never fully accepted the idea of self-righteousness, which is what the dean's assumption was. (I knew him well enough to know that.)

In other words: "Whether or not I, the dean, am righteous in and of myself, or you, the student, are righteous in and of yourself, God's people are righteous in and of themselves."

So if you assume -- as he did -- that you are "one of God's people," then you also assume that you are righteous in an of yourself. After all, you are one who has to "stand before God without a mediator" -- and soon, very very soon, maybe starting tonight!

We even sang a song; maybe you remember it:

The Lord is coming; are you ready?
The Lord is coming; are you ready?
Would your heart be right if He came tonight?
The Lord is coming; are you ready?

Since the assumed answer to this question was always "No," waves of terror would sweep over you. Therefore such campus-wide events as "weeks of prayer" were always very frightening events. And terror-based religion reigned supreme.

But Jesus always greeted people with, "Fear not!" didn't He?

BIG difference. The two approaches are incompatible.

Choosing Christ instead of self,

Jude
Susan
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've had many verses that have convicted me that Jesus is my sabbath rest. One verse however seems to command us to put away the law/sabbath keeping. Mark Martin explains on one of his tapes about the examples used in Gal.4. Sarah represents the new covenant and Hagar the old. In verses 30,31 "...Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son. Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman." This really struck me. Ive felt for some time that I am correct in resting in Christ. But I didn't realize that this is something that God commands of us.

More important for me was realizing who Christ is and was. This is something I was never taught as an sda. Yes he's my sabbath rest, but he's God incarnate, my Abba, my redeemer, and I could go on and on. In fact, the whole NT was new to me once I became born again. I refer to that first year or so as my "deprograming phase" in life. I'd have to say the whole book of Romans was pretty powerful for me. Frankly, ANYTHING by Paul is life changing. Once I received the Holy Spirit and lost the veil of adventism the entire scriptures became a radical adventure for me. I'm still enjoying the journey!
Colleentinker
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 10:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Geneva--I like your question! The first scripture that I remember noticing in a landmark-sort-of-way was the transfiguration story (Matthew 17:1-9). It's also in Mark and Luke. When I realized, thanks to Dale Ratzlaff, that Moses and Elijah represented the Law and the Prophets, and they were gone when Peter, James, and John finally raised their heads, and Jesus alone was before them with the words of God ringing in their ears: "This is my son; listen to him!", I knew I was walking on the road out of the Adventist church. That was in June of 1996. I knew at that moment that the Sabbath was not a command for us. It was one of those life-marking moments I will never forget!

Praise God for progressive revelation--and all of it, even the first bits of revelation--are Truth!
Gary Mayo
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark Martin is very correct about the Sabbath rest issue. I hope to some day shake his hand!!!

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