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Gary Mayo
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It was given to me by a good friend, Ray Pitts. Does he ever post here? I wish he understood the Sabbath. I would guess about half the people that exit Adventism, retain some of the excess luggage.
Lynn W
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 4:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Never saw his name here.
I think leaving Adventism is sometimes a proccess. People can only handle so much at a time.
Gary
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 4:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will invite him.
Jude the Obscure
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gary,

There is a widespread misconception that Victorians, of which EGW was, were "repulsed" by sex. It was all hypocritical show. In the dark it was another story, especially if a more vulnerable person was at disposal.

EGW's "A Solemn Appeal" reinforces a conclusion opposite opposite to yours -- Victorians had an unhealthy preoccupation with sex. This is born out in many sociological studies. And it is the reason why so many Fundamentalists still sexually abuse their own children.

EGW, for example, followed Dr. John Harvey Kellogg's advice to parents to carry out "night time raids" on their children to see if they were indulging in "self abuse."

Trouble is, too many of these Victorian parents stuck around for some to perpetrate sexual abuse upon their children. Both parents perpetrated. There is plenty of documention for support. In case you're interested, Ronald L. Numbers' "A Prophetess of Health," for starters. Do you have any documentation to support your conclusion?

To seek the truth,

Jude
Timo K.
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 6:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was looking at anventist online forum and came across an article that mentioned that there are studies that claim that child sexual abuse within adventism could be up to 9 times more prevelant than the society in general. Anybody knows about these studies?

timo
Jude the Obscure
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, Timo.

I would also like to draw your attention to the March-April 1996 issue of ADVENTIST TODAY, and an article by Mitchell Henson, MDiv, PhD, MFCC, to his article entitled "Through the Lens of Abuse." Dr. Henson writes:

"A recent study in Adventism revealed that 43 percent of those answering the survey would classify themselves as 'abused' or as living in a home where physical, emotional or sexual abuse has occurred. That staggering statistic leads me to believe that the code of silence still exists and that our homes, boarding academies and colleges may be in dire need of memerging form denial." Page 11.

Dr. Henson was himself also sexually abused in his SDA childhood home. Again, he writes:

"It was years later, after many painful sexual experiences (which seemed exciting at the time) and after extensive therapy and personal study, that I came to understand the horrible, lasting effects of being molested at the age of seven and again at the age of nine.

"I do not subscribe to the 'recovered memory' theory. I clearly remember the two events." Pages 10,11.

I personally believe that EGW fostered this type of abuse by urging parents to set up situations, such as the infamous "night-time raids," that literally invited parents to perpetrate sexually upon their children. And I'm not talking soft-core stuff here.

This serves as yet another example of how people who are "under the law" are such slaves to sin that the very commandments themselves stimulate sin. Two examples:

ROMANS 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.

ROMANS 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire.

Thanking God anew for his saving grace,

Jude
Lynn W
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another one of those sick, diseased camels that get swallowed while straining out the sabbath gnats.

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