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| Lynn W |
Hmm...posted twice. Oh well. First Day #11. Ever heard the term Pentacost Sunday? Here's something neither the Jews nor the SDA want you to know. In Leviticus 23, all the annual holidays are listed with their respective dates. Because they always fall on specific dates, the day of the week varies from year to year, like the 4th of July. However, if you look carefully, you'll notice 2 holidays for which no date is given. Let's look at the whole thing. Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. (14th = passover) 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. (15th = unleavened bread) Then begins a 7 day feast. 7-8 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 9-10 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: (? = firstfruits) When is this? 11-14 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it... So first Sunday after passover = firstfruits 15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16-22 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD... (Other versions make it less confusing. NASB: You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the LORD. (This was a 2nd firstfruits - one was for oats, one was for barley) Again notice the lack of a date associated with this. 50 days after Sunday will always be a Sunday. This was know to the Jews as the feast of weeks. They kept it always on a Sunday for many centuries including the time of Christ. It was one of the 3 "pilgrim feasts" when all the male Jews were required to come to the temple. That's why there were so many in Jerusalem that day (Acts 2:5). When Sunday became associated with the ressurrection of Christ, the Jews, who naturally wanted to distance themselves from the Christians and discredit the accounts of Christ, reinterpreted verses 7-8 "you shall do no servile work therein" as the Sabbath after which the Feast of Firstfruits should occur - thus making it always on the 16th. Over the years, these 3 feasts - Passover, Unleavened bread, & Firstfruits blended into one holiday. This change took place after the temple was destroyed. The Jews knew that without the temple, there could be no sacrifices & therefore, no salvation to the Jews. So they reinterpreted the scriptures to say that salvation is obtained by good deeds (sound familiar?). At that time, many scriptures were reinterpreted, such as applying terms to Jerusalem which had been applied to the Messiah. This is referred to as the time that the Jewish system went from Biblical to Rabbinical & the Talmud became as important as the Tanach (Bible). | ||
| Lynn W |
I don't say all this to try to make Sunday a special day, but rather to point out the God was doing a new thing. Notice on all of these days, the people were worshipping Him. | ||
| David |
I find it curious how the Lord dealt with non Jews apart from the Law. For instance, the story of Naaman the Syrian tells us of a non Jew who traveled to Israel to be healed of his leprosy. Elisha told him to wash himself seven times in the Jordan river. When Naaman did this, he was healed and offer Elisha a reward. Elisha refuse, so Naaman asked him if it would be okay to take two donkey loads of dirt from Israel back home with him AND if it would be okay for him to go into the temple of Rimmon as a part of his official duties, but instead of bowing to Rimmon, he would worship the God of Israel. Elisha told him that it would be okay. Notice that Elisha did not tell him to keep the requirements of the Law. He did not even instruct him about how he could become a part of the chosen people. Jesus told the Pharisees that there were many lepers in Israel in the days of Elisha, yet only Naaman, an unbeliever, was healed. He was telling them that faith is what saves and what declares our alliegence to God. When Jesus healed the ten lepers, he told them to go show themselves to the priests according to the Law. Can you imagine the conversation that these ten men must have had as they left Jesus to comply? I can imagine that when the poor Samaritan found out that there was no provision in the law for a gentile to fulfill, that he was at first downcast until he realized that he had indeed been cleansed. So he went to the true High Priest, Jesus Christ, and thanked and worshipped Him. His faith made him whole. It has always been by faith whether Jew or Gentile. But the gentiles were never covenanted to the Law. So likewise the day of worship does not matter in these times. | ||
| Bruce H |
David You are right about Naaman, Elisha basically blessed Naaman even though he would be breaking the second Commandment. Rom 2:14 for when Gentiles WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LAW Rom 5:13 for until the law sin was in the world but sin not imputed when there is no law. Rom 6:14 you are not under law rom 10:3 Christ is the end of Law Bruce H | ||
| Bruce H |
More texts. Is God finished with Isreal Rom 9:25 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, `You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." I will call them My people, who were not My people. This is the Church with the Jews and Gentiles. "I will call her beloved, who was not beloved. This is also the Church. Then who is His People and His beloved. Israel, do a word search on His people and beloved and you will see that it is Isreal. Rom 10:19-21 19 But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: "I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation." 20 But Isaiah is very bold and says: "I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me." 21 But to Israel he says: "All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people." Who is those who are not a Nation. This is the Church. Who is the foolish nation. This is the Church (ICor 3:18, 1:27). Who was found by those who did not seek me, and was made manifest to those who did not ask for me. The Church. Rom 11:1 1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certain not! Bruce H BH | ||
| jtree |
to them (plural), the Sabbath is Christ, to us, Christ is The Sabbath! | ||
| Bruce H |
Jtree I am not talking about Christian Jews, they are in the Body of Christ or the Church. I am taking about the nation of Isreal, she who is blinded and unbelieving. Romans 11:28,29 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, So she Isreal (and I believe a Lot of the Christian Jews) is an enemy of the Gospel but is beloved for the sake of the fathers, for the Gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. You are dead right about the Sabbath though "to them (plural), the Sabbath is Christ, to us, Christ is The Sabbath! That is both unbeliving Jew and Christian Jew. Bruce H BH |
