| Author | Message | ||
| Gary Mayo |
I want you to spend as much time explaining your questions as you did asking them. Is that fair? | ||
| Gary Mayo |
J the O: "And to leave you in peace" is the last thing you said to me, yet I feel little piece coming from you. Why is that? The word "Leave" implies you are walking ahead. Is that true? Please tell me what thing I have done that requires that I get left behind. I do apologize if I did anything that required you to dust off your feet. I would hope we could walk together. What do you say? I do hope we are both on the same trail. I am looking to the east, awaiting the soon return of Jesus. | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Dear Gary, Ask away. I'll be pleased to answer any appropriate questions. I would hope that we are walking together when appropriate. There are times, though, in the kingdom of heaven which surrounds us here and now, that we must go different ways. To wit: "After spending some time there, they were sent off by the brothers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord." Acts 15:33-35, NIV. Already in the kingdom of heaven, Jude | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Dear Gary, Another question just occurred to me. You don't have to answer it if you don't want to. Do you think, when Jesus comes in the clouds of glory with his angels, that he will "catch up" (Thessalonians 4:17) anyone who is not already a citizen of the kingdom of heaven and already living within the borders of the kingdom of heaven? Grace and peace, Jude | ||
| Gary Mayo |
J the O: Answer: Do you fuel your own car at the gas station, or do you own a car? Let's assume you do own a car, and you do fuel that car regularly. If you exist in heaven now, is there a gas station in your heaven? Sometimes the best answers are questions. And to repeat: "I want you to spend as much time explaining your questions as you did asking them. Is that fair?" Come down to earth and explain yourself. You appear to be championing a cause, but that cause is not fully apparent. As a Christian, you should stand fully in the light, yes? I could have just posted my warnings a few weeks ago, and melted quietly back into the wood work, but I choose to stay and become real and take the heat for my actions. Jude, I want you to become real to me. Can you take the heat? The SDA-EGW Historical Society . | ||
| BRUCE H |
GARY AND JUDE WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING???????????????? BRUCE H BH | ||
| Gary Mayo |
Amen to that question!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Gary Mayo |
Amen to that question!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Repeated on purpous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Gary Mayo |
This is what has happened between Jude and I, as far as I can see. I posted a few warnings on this site as another site was melting down and turning on itself (you had to be there to understand, and most people that saw it happening can't understand it!). Several people also came here from that site and posted their own brand of warnings(some of which were deemed worthy of deleting, I gather). Jude is worried that I may be a rider of a dark horse, and he keeps checking me out to determine my worth and honesty (I guess). I do offer my apologizes to everyone because of the mess involved. The managers of that other site need to remain heavily in our prayers, as that site has not discovered the real meaning of the Sabbath as of yet. The address of that site is <Deleted>. I have asked Jude to give a reason for his questions of me, but as for now, he has decided to remain "obscure". | ||
| Lori |
I think Bruce has a good question. What are you doing???? Neither one of you are doing anything that glorifies God!! Not one thing!!!!!!! And, why in the guest book????? | ||
| Allenette |
As an old PK who has watched SDA from birth to dubious maturity, and...in the past year, been aware of Gary's websites, I am not willing to "write him off", nor would I do the same to Jude, but you can see that there is very little middle ground for SDA...not unlike other cultish denoms. Suddenly one can see why the old saw about not arguing politics or religion is pretty valid! OTOH, it will for sure keep websites alive. :-) | ||
| Patti |
Lori, Please do not be too hard on Jude. The other person in question is just doing what he does so well, that is trying to stir up controversy and ill feelings. I have observed his tactics now on 4 different forums; it always ends up the same. He cajoles and attacks, then when someone answers him, he accuses THEM of being hostile and unChristian, the very behaviors that he exhibits. I have just read all of his recent posts and for everything that he accuses others of doing, I have concrete in my mailbox examples of his doing that exact thing. I am not sure what his motivation is, and I pray that he will find rest from the endless provocation. You only have to read back to some of the posts he admitted to posting on here--under an assumed name, something he has condemned me for doing--to find that his facts about himself are not consistent. You have indicated that this is unchristian and nonproductive. If you saw someone being accused of something with little or no proof, would you defend that person? I have observed this. The reason that he has haunted and slandered me is because I told him that it was wrong to make public personal accusations about someone. He made continuous false accusations against <Deleted> and the moderator of <Deleted>'s forum and, in so doing, had a dozen or more people convinced that <Deleted> would sabotage his own site, and that the moderator--a very vocal ex-SDA and non-sabbatarian--deleted everyone's post who posted anything against the sabbath. I see he is still perpetuating that myth. And because I defended them, he turned on me. And he turned on Jude immediately because Jude defended me. Label me a troublemaker if you will, but what he does is not right. I am willing to be permanently banned from this site rather than see someone believe his accusations about yet another victim--Jude. God does not call us to go around attacking and accusing our brethren. I pray that he will truly find the peace in the Gospel of Jesus Christ that passes all understanding. The Gospel is not that Ellen White is a false prophet. The Gospel is not that sabbath-keeping is no longer required of believers. The Gospel is not that the SDAs are wrong. The Gospel is forgiveness: "He was made sin who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." I apologize in advance for this post. I know that some of you will ream me out for this. I know it is not deemed "Christianly correct" to defend oneself, but I am very concerned that Jude has been singled out now. Additionally, this person has given a false impression of <Deleted>'s forum. Lynn can vouch to the fact that there are many opinions on there, some of them very fantastical, but none of them suppressed. The only thing suppressed is personal attacks and slurs and indecent language. And none of many varied posts represent <Deleted> except his own occasional personal posts. He has merely provided a place where people can voice their opinions. Not to worry, Colleen, I will go back into hiding now and not bother your site again. May God truly bless you all, Love in Christ, Patti | ||
| Richard Tinker |
Thank you all for your meaningful contributions. I would like to kindly ask that this area be returned to a space reserved for the Guestbook, where new people can feel safe to introduce themselves or just say "Hi." And I think it would be wise if we can refrain from discussions about people that post on this site. "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers (and sisters), this should not be." James 3:9-10 | ||
| Patti |
Richard, Your chastisement of me is understood and well-taken. May I ask you a single question? I promise no more. If someone is being falsely maligned and/or heckled on a public forum, should a Christian who knows the truth stand idly by and allow it to continue so that readers are led to believe something negative about the other person, present or absent? Is it not in the spirit of Christian love to stand up for the one being attacked? I wish all of you the blessings of Christ. You are doing a good thing here. I am sorry for the controversy that I brought here and that I am not able to participate further, but I will remember you and this site in my prayers. | ||
| Bruce H |
Patti ---Richard, Your chastisement of me is understood and well-taken---- What chastisement??? ----If someone is being falsely maligned and/or heckled on a public forum---- Who is being falsely maligned???? Bruce H BH | ||
| Gary Mayo |
I will let the above post from "Patti" speak for it's self. Let me post something from the entrance to this forum page, that I have tried to adhere to as close as possible, while at the same time, posting a warning about people that come to destroy and not support: Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:29-32 (NIV) "Patti" and both forums needs to be in our prayers. Time is running out for this kind of bitterness. Jesus is coming soon, and we will be a bunch of people with no lamp oil if we engage in such rage and anger. If we have no forgiveness for one another, we will not be forgiven. "Patti", will you forgive people that you think have wronged you? Will you forgive me? We ask you for forgiveness, as we extend our hand of fellowship to you. It is not that I am right and you are wrong or vice-versa, but it is that Christ is right and we are wrong. The relationships we produce here will carry over into the next life, so it is better to forgive now, than to be lost because of some trivial matter on this earth that makes no matter anyway. Think about it. | ||
| Gary Mayo |
Does anyone here remember the old T.V. show called "The Outer Limits"? With all that has happened, maybe now we can again have control of out "sets". On the serious side, I would pray for piece and forgiveness for everyone. | ||
| Lynn W |
Patti & Gary, I hope you both will feel welcome to post on here. Now that everything is out in the open and all cards have been laid on the table, perhaps we can discuss the issues. So what do you think about Ellen White? | ||
| Patti |
Dear Lynn, You are a sweet soul. You have given me a lot of encouragement. This post is not directed at you, AT ALL. Please believe this. I am very tired of being discussed in public. I am very sorry I came here and brought the problems that came with me. I would never have posted here if I had thought that, even in my absence, I would be the subject of post after post. I am tired of it. This is harassment, and it needs to stop. I am crying as I post this. I need peace. I do not need to be discussed, disected, analyzed, and criticized. I have tried remaining silent, but that has only served for others jumping to conclusions as to my motives. My motives are this: To live in the rest of Jesus Christ and the peace of the Gospel, and hopefully to fellowship with those of like beliefs. Sometimes one has to walk away from abusive situations. I tried to walk quietly away from this problem, but everywhere I go, I hear the same accusatory voice. I know it is not PC to post blatantly honest feelings, but I have been driven away because it is very hard for me to hold my silence in the face of the inaccuracies the other person is spreading. I am ruined for fellowship here; that should be revenge enough for the other person. However, nothing seems to be enough to satisfy his vengeance, and I am tired of seeing my name in print, having people make assumptions about me simply because I will not counter all of the accusations. I am sorry for breaking my promise, Colleen and Richard, about not posting anymore. But I do believe I have a right not to see my name plastered all over this guestbook every time I happen to drop in. I am humbly asking for a stop to my being discussed here. Please help me. You cannot possibly know how badly this hurts. Grace and peace to all, Patti | ||
| BRUCE H |
PATTI I am very tired of being discussed in public. WHO IS DISCUSSING? AND WHERE? I am very sorry I came here and brought the problems that came with me. WHAT PROBLEMS DID YOU BRING I DONT SEE ANY PROBLEMS?? I would never have posted here if I had thought that, even in my absence, I would be the subject of post after post. WHAT POST AFTER POST? I am tired of it. This is harassment, and it needs to stop. I HAVE BEEN MONITORING THIS FORUM ALMOST EVERY DAY SINCE IT STARTED I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? I AM NOT SAYING THIS TO BE MEAN I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND?? I do not need to be discussed, disected, analyzed, and criticized. I have tried remaining silent, but that has only served for others jumping to conclusions as to my motives. WHO IS DICUSSING DISECTING?? WHAT ARE YOUR MOTIVES?? I tried to walk quietly away from this problem, but everywhere I go, I hear the same accusatory voice. ????????????????????????WHO? I am sorry for breaking my promise, Colleen and Richard, about not posting anymore. PATTI I AM SORRY THAT YOU FEEL THIS WAY BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, I FEEL YOU ARE UPSET, BUT ABOUT WHAT? BRUCE H |
