| Author | Message | ||
| Lori |
Patti, That was very well done........but you still are not touching on what I'm referring to. Maybe my question to Jude wasn't worded properly?? There is no doubt that after our acceptance of Christ that we no longer stand under judgement for sins (even the unbeliever will not be judged for their sins)!!!! Let me try wording it in a different way: **What part in our spiritual life does confession of KNOWN sins play? (this question is for anyone) !I'm not advocating that we must rack our brains to come up with every sin,.....the Bible doesn't say that........I'm talking about a sin that you commit and you KNOW that you were sinning, maybe you knew you were sinning before you did it or you became aware of it while you were in the process of doing it or you didn't realize that you had done wrong until three days later. But you did see that you had sinned!!! What if anything happens to your spiritual life when you 'hold' on to this sin? What happens to your spiritual life if you acknowledge your sin? God, whether it be the Father, Son or Holy Spirit can not be in the presence of sin. So, if we harbor a known sin what does that do?? I Cor. 3: 1-3 is a great place to start looking for the answer.......These people that Paul is addressing, he addresses them as brethren, ....they are believers.....but he also says they are worldly.....he refers to them as babes in Christ....they are saved and sealed for redemption.....but they are worldly. How else can that be, except that they are holding on to a sin? He says that he can not address them as spiritual......(why do they not have the capacity to understand the spiritual?) because they are being carnal, just like mere men. Further down in vs. 11 is talks about our foundation and what we build on it. . Even after we are saved, we have a choice of what materials we use to build on our foundation (the foundation is Christ and to have the foundation we must be saved) ......we can use the materials of human good or a foundation of spiritual good. Human good is the good deeds we do when we are operating under our carnal nature, yes, carnal people can be good people. Spiritual good deeds can be those same deeds but they are done under the control of the Holy Spirit. Human good is the wood, hay and straw.... Spiritual good is the gold, silver and costly stones. Notice that it will be tested by fire.....and the fire will burn up the hay, straw and wood, but the gold, silver and stones remain.....vs. 15 "if it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames." What causes us to become carnal and create human good instead of spiritual good after salvation? And how do we get back into the spiritual once we have reverted back to the carnal? And how does this have no bearing at all on our salvation? I John 3 has alot to say about the carnal believer and the spiritual believer..........what separates them......how can one be carnal and one be spiritual and both still be believers???? They are believer, they will be saved......but one is still carnal and how does that person become Un-carnal? Comments, please. | ||
| George |
Jude the Pompous, Over the last few days I have spent more time thinking of answers to your chalenge to me, to first ask you a question before you will offer me an answer to some of the things that perplex me, than I have on my salvation. Some of them good some of them bad and some of them ugly. The very idea that you are trying to set yourself up as my master by saying that I 'must' first ask you a question and then to go on to tell me that I am a child and to do so in such a left handed way, has made me so angry that I could spit nails. For my anger, I MUST take responsibility. As for any of the ways that I had thought of to answer you? It is just not worth it, other than to say that your challenge will go forever unfulfilled. Because of the amount of anger I have felt over this challenge I find that I must remove myself from the posability of it ever happening again, and will there for not be posting on this forum again. The very angry--- William H. Hanley---(George) Webmaster, I would hope you will let this public answrer to the public chalenge stand. Thank You W.M. | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Dear William Hanley (George), I'm sorry that I have offended you in some way. I don't know how to read other people's minds. And that's why I ask for questions. I certainly did not intend my insistence on a question to be a public challenge. God bless you always, Jude | ||
| BMorgan |
I have been blessed by the wonderful contributions many of you have posted here. I have even gone back and read and reread many of the achived topics which have given me some insights about your personalities. I am not totally accurate but have a better idea how to interpret some of the things you say and the way you express them. Now, I am treadly softly but have to be honest. I fully understand George's anger with you Jude. When I first read your reply I think to MaryAnn's post and your response to George, I felt it came across in the way you did not want it. "Uppity" your word and "Pompous" George's take. Had I been today, where he SEEMS to be now, I would be hurting as badly as he expressed it. Jude, I love your posts and think you are a sweet person and I am trying to say, don't dismiss George's hurt as being just infantile and should be ignored. I remembered the loving brotherly way you stuck-up for someone here when she was feeling hurt. So I have an idea that you are a sensitive person. I have been an sda too long to not understand how the confused, questioner is crushed easily. George, I do hope you will keep posting. I love hearing what you have to say. You have blessed me in many ways. We are a family and will hurt one another unintentionally from time to time, but the love the Father has poured into our hearts by His Holy Spirit, will enable us to overlook, one another's faults. Sent with lots of love and the sentiment of this forum, "Let not unwholesome talk proceed out of your mouth, only what will benefit the listener. Being Bold, but Afraid | ||
| Maryann |
Thank you Morgan, I just got greeted by the above and am deeply pained. Both guys are my brothers. Both are special to me. I know them both. Both are wonderful guys. Both are humans. Both are ?????? Humans are easily misunderstood. I believe I know where Jude was coming from and I really do know where George was coming from and how angry he was. This is where the fishbowl story would have worked really well. Somehow, I have to believe that good will come of this. Jude and George, I still love you both as my brothers. With that, I'm going to the HUMOR section. Maryann | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
George and Lori, Iím not sure, but you seem to be asking the same question, ìWhat part in our spiritual life does confession of KNOWN sins play?î THE FIRST PLACE I WOULD GO for an answer I would go immediately to 1 John 1:8-2:2 NIV: ^^^^^^^^^^^ If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense -- Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. ^^^^^^^^^^^ This is obviously written to believers, and about known sins, for if they were not known we would not have the ability to confess them. John says: All of us believers have known sin in our lives. And all of us believers need to take advantage of Jesus Christís ìatoning sacrifice for our sins.î St. John writes this so that we wonít sin. But he hastens to add that if we do sin, then we have absolution: Godís forgiveness by virtue of the fact that Christís atonement on the cross CONTINUES down through time and down through all of our lives. I believe, therefore, that all born-again Christ followers are both 100% sinful and 100% sinless at the same time. This is a paradox. But there are many paradoxes in Scripture. Jesus Christ, for one example, is 100% human and 100% divine at the same time. For another example, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all only ONE God and not three. And so if we can live with those paradoxes, why canít we live with this one? I think we can. THE SECOND PLACE I WOULD GO would be Romans 7:14-8:17 NIV (St. Paul begins this passage by speaking about his own life): ^^^^^^^^^^^ We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do ñ this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in Godís law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God ñ [I am rescued] through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to Godís law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is hostile to God. It does not submit to Godís law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you. Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation ñ but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, ìAbba, Father.î The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are Godís children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs ñ heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.î ^^^^^^^^^^^ Please notice that Paul is not saying anything any different from John. He is only elaborating it so that we can better identify ourselves with him. And with both Bible writers, the answer comes down to the same thing. We believers remain 100% sinful in and of ourselves. We believers remain 100% sinless in and of Christ. Realizing this, when we recognize known sin in our lives we ask and receive forgiveness on the merits of Christ. Seventh-day Adventists are heretical in their false notion that when we commit known sin we go into an unsaved condition (out of grace). And thatís why we have so many Seventh-day Adventist people thinking that they go out of grace when they sin, get back into grace when they ask Godís forgiveness, and go back out of grace when they sin again. Itís the neurotic (to put it mildly!) condition of being always either ìin graceî or ìout of grace.î Itís a sickness and a great evil. Nowhere does either Paul or John or any other New Testament writer say you go out of grace and enter an unsaved state when you commit known sin. If you think otherwise, please find the text and show it to me. Iíve shown you a brief passage from John that says otherwise. And Iíve shown you a long passage from Paul that says otherwise. So the burden of further proof is on you who think otherwise. John says if you say you are without sin you are deceiving yourself and the truth is not in you ñ which is nothing more than a nice way of saying you are a liar! Paul comes right out and admits that he commits known sin. Thatís why Seventh-day Adventists have such a tough time with this passage. They go so far as to argue that this is the ìpre-conversion Paulî writing, a contention that is utter nonsense. Let me ask you, Didnít a lightning bolt of fear strike your heart when you first heard the SDA ìmidnight cryî ñ ìJesus is coming! Get ready!î Why! Because the very cry itself assumes you are NOT READY. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! If you trust Jesus, there is nothing more you can possibly do to get ready. This is what being born again means -- being ready for the Second Coming of Christ! Is there anybody out there who wants to argue for the "two-stage conversion" process? This is the truly evil notion that those who accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior must then "do something" in order to "get ready" for him to come! Don't you see how satanic that is? Another historical SDA cry is, ìBehold the Bridegroom cometh! Go ye out to meet him!î Which is a terribly nonsensical, anti-Christian, evil and truly satanic way to interpret Jesusí precious parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25! For by it they mean you are not saved until you add works to grace. This is a mutant form of legalism, but it is legalism all the same. And it is a worse form of legalism, in my opinion at least, than outright legalism which pushes Christ out of the picture entirely. But when it comes to Christian confessional living, Seventh-day Adventists are full of non-sense statements -- wrong, heretical, hideous, evil, satanic nonsense statements. For if you trust Christís righteousness instead of your own, YOU ARE READY FOR JESUS TO COME! And this is a holy fact that will never ever change! Come on, now, Christian, GET OVER YOURSELF and STAY WITH CHRIST! What you have to do is hear Paul and DEAL with your sinful nature by being controlled by the Spirit of God. Keep your heart and your eyes fixed on Christ. Live in an attitude of continual prayer. Recognize you are living in the kingdom of heaven on earth here and now. See Christ in everyone you meet. And, most importantly, NEVER DOUBT JESUSí SACRIFICE for the known sins that you commit. For that is the most real of all sins! I wanted to get into Jesusí parable of the wheat and the weeds, but I see now I donít have time. So let this suffice for now. Maybe I can do more later. In his grace alone, Jude | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Lori and George again, I realize that I had already posted my study of Christ's parable on the wheat and the weeds on another Discussion. But I think it is very relevant to the question: What does the Christ follower do about known sins in his life? So here goes ..... EVIL PEOPLE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN? Afraid so! Matthew 13 NIV says, "The weeds are the sons of the evil one." What weeds? They grew from weed seeds, and "the enemy who sows them is the devil." Where were they sown? In the "owner's field." And the field's owner is Jesus Christ, for "The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil." What kingdom? I never thought you'd ask! The kingdom of heaven, of course! For Jesus said, "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared." And so the conclusion is inescapable: The kingdom of heaven -- which is within us and all around us (Luke 17:20-21) here and now on earth -- contains "the sons of the evil one." This means at least two very significant things: 1. That "the earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof" and is NO LONGER THE DOMAIN of the prince of darkness! It was wrested away from him by Christ on the cross! This is no mere "foretaste"! This is the real thing! This is the kingdom of heaven in verity! We have God's word on that! That's why Adventists are just plain wrong by thinking that they are but "strangers" here. For example, they sing, "This earth is not my home; I'm just a stranger here!" Very bad theology! For it falsely gives the victory to Satan and not to Jesus! 2. That nobody is saved unless he is already standing within the borders of the kingdom of heaven! This means you are saved before you start. It means YOU ARE SOWN WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN! It means salvation is already yours and all you have to do is not reject it. 3. That you can be lost only after a lifetime of growing. And so I don't want to hear any more of this in-grace-out-of-grace-in-grace-out-of-grace-in-grace-out-of-grace-in-grace-out-of-grace-in-grace-out-of-grace-in-grace-out-of-grace stuff any more! No more! You hear? You're saved until you earn your own destruction by a lifetime of strenuous effort. Meaning it will take you all of your life to become lost. And when at last, at the harvest, you wonder why Christ's angels are cutting you down, binding you into a bundle with the other weeds, and burning you up, all you have to do is to look at yourself and realize that you were weed from your very beginning! Or wheat from your very beginning! In which case you won't be burned, but will be harvested into Christ's barn. And so God's precious blessings on every last one of you, for God has willed every last one of you to be saved! Jude | ||
| Bruce H |
George I loved your post, I will miss you, you made a very impotant contibution to this web, I hope you will reconsider. George I know that I quote too many texts, so I will say I believe it is impotant to forgive wether you post or not. I find the web forum very difficult to communicate with, you cannot show with body language or with voice inflections what your feelings are and it is very easy to be misinterpreted. Bruce Heinrich BH | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
BMorgan, George and Maryann, I have to confess that I am not a therapist or a counselor, and I fear that if I got involved in people's personal issues I would probably do more harm than good. I see my role on this website as helping people transition from legalism-based Adventism to grace-based Christianity by responding to scriptural issues with scriptural answers to the best of my ability. This is my boundary, and unless the Lord shows me it is wrong, I'm not going to change it. But that doesn't mean I don't love you all and care for you all very deeply. In addition, I have my own personal issues that I am choosing not to share here. This also is my boundary. I believe that these boundaries are legitimate, that I have a God-given right to them, and that God has led me to set them where they are. I believe, further, that God has led me to this website and that I am doing his will here. Otherwise, I would exit. In faith, Jude | ||
| George |
Lori, I find that I must clear something up. I never meant to imply that you said that sins after being saved canceled it, that is something that I say. By that statement I have do not mean that we ever get to the place that we do not do those things that are commonly called sins. What I mean is, if we have sins counted against us after salvation there is something wrong with our salvation. Christ died for our sins past, present and future. To me that means that He has forgiven our sins past, present and future. When you mentioned weeks ago that Christ dies for the sins of the wicked too, that made me think, IF, He died for the sins of the wicked and they are going to go to hell then it must not be sins that will make us go to hell. Think about that. If it is not the things that we do that are commonly called sins that send us or even the wicked to hell then, what is it that does? As Patti pointed out so nicely again, and with other verses, it is our unbelief. Now, if Christ paid the price with His death, even for the sins of the wicked, then ALL sins MUST be His, EVEN THOSE SINS THAT ARE COMMITTED BY THOSE THAT ARE SAVED He owns them, all of them. I really donít think He would pay for something He doesnít get, do you? Think about it, He let someone drive a nail in His hands and feet, He let someone jam a crown of thorns on His head, He let them hang Him up on a cross, He even let them stab Him in the side with a spear, He let people do all this to Him and then do you know what he said? Father FORGIVE them because they donít know what they are doing. He did all that just to buy our sins, donít you think that he now owns them past, present, and future? And if He does, then they are no longer ours and if they are no longer ours then how can we confess them? They are His not ours, how can we confess something that is not ours? In all this I have never said that we have stopped doing those things that are commonly called sins! All I am saying is that there must be something else at work here. Could it be that unbelief is the only ìsinî that is left? Hereís a thought for you. What if the devils best tool is to make us fret so much over the sins we may have forgotten to confess and the sins that we might forget to confess in the future that we become discouraged and just give up? I know this works because I have done it at least twice, and have refused to take another look at ìreligionî hundreds and perhaps thousands of times because I was so discouraged. The only reason I am even thinking about ìreligionî again is that I donít even have to worry myself about all these little sins any more. They are not mine any more they are His!!!! I still do them, but they are His, not mine!!! Another thing that I would like to mention is about your example of forgiving our children. Perhaps I have a different view of rasing kids. When my kids did something I told them not to do I corrected them every time, but I never felt that they had done something that need forgiving, that is something that Christ does, or in light of what I now believe has done already. To take the position that I need to forgive them would be putting myself in the place of God. The only thing that they could do that I feel they need to ask forgiveness for is to turn their back on me, to shun me, and even then they are forgiven even before they ask. All their asking does is validate MY feelings. I think there is a big difference between correcting and requiring forgiveness. Another place you asked ìWhen does forgiveness take place?î Yes it takes place when we confess, but WHAT are we confessing? All those sins that are no longer ours? Or the sin of not believing. It seems to me that the only time we have to confess the sin of unbelief after we believe is if we no linger believe. So, unless we stop believing all the time I donít see why we need to be confessing all the time. Unless it is like Patti says, we have to confessñ proclaimñ that Christ did all this for us. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding and makes what I believe clear. The best to you George Patti, You really do understand!! Doesnít it just set you FREE? REALLY FREE!! Now we can get down to the other question Lori had, and I must say that I still have. What about those things that we decide to do that we know are one of those things that are commonly called sins? There has to be a simple answer to that too. BMorgan, Thanks so much for the validation it was very much needed. Bruce, Perhaps I was I was too hasty when I said I will no longer post. One thing is sure though, I will be posting only my thoughts and not my innermost feelings as I no longer feel safe to do so here. I will save those for more personal letters. Thanks again to all----George | ||
| George |
Jude, That was not a personal issue Maryann asked you to address,and the boundry you stated was not the same as the boundrys you mentioned in your last post. I think those are perfectly good boundrys and should be observed, as you will see that I set one of them for myself. George | ||
| Plain Patti |
Hi, George! Glad you reconsidered and came back to us. We Christians sure are an ornery lot, aren't we? :) As I told someone on another forum who told me that I was showing a negative spirit, if I were God I would forget about these stiff-necked and rebelious people and save all the dogs! (Oh, OK, I confess, I am a dog lover. With a new pup nonetheless.) Anyway, you said: Now we can get down to the other question Lori had, and I must say that I still have. What about those things that we decide to do that we know are one of those things that are commonly called sins? I think there is a verse that sums it up quite concisely: 1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous Like Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery: Go and sin no more. We are to "fight the good fight." We are to try to love our fellow man as ourselves (How else can we "prove" our love to God other than treating our fellow creatures, His children, as good as we can?). But we know that if--well, not if, WHEN--we do sin, that the blood of Christ still covers us completely. Jesus said, "The one who is forgiven the most loves the most." If we realize the magnitude of our sinfulness and the completeness of our acceptance in Jesus Christ, do we then go out and intentionally commit all kinds of sin? As Paul said, God forbid. One of the reasons we have come to Christ is that we detest the sin in ourselves. Why would we then go out and "wallow in it," as some accuse us, if our entire impetus for coming to Christ was "hungering and thirsting after righteousness." Romans 7 is very comforting to me because Paul, the apostle Paul, the missionary Paul, the defender of the Gospel of Christ Paul, has the same dilemma with his sinful self as I do. I want to be good, but I can't. Sometimes I don't even want to be good, but I want to want to be good. But while we were not even yet trying to want to be good, Christ died for us. That is the Gospel. To quote a dear friend of mine: The Gospel alone. Nothing but the Gospel. The Gospel is as good as it gets. The Gospel is that we are saved in Christ by His righteousness (as Rayna so beautifully pointed out). Just as we had no part in making our natures sinful, so we had no part in reconciling ourselves to God. Hope I haven't been to "preachy." Grace and peace, Patti | ||
| Plain Patti |
George wrote: Doesnít it just set you FREE? REALLY FREE!! As they say in Arkansas, Fer sure!! :) Christ is King, Christ is God, Christ is our Savior, Christ is our Substitute in life and in death! We do not have to save ourselves. We are TRULY FREE to live as subjects of the Kingdom of Heaven, knowing that because Christ is worthy, we are accepted by God. "He who comes to me I will in no wise cast out." John 8:31 "Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples; 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 8:33 They answered him, "We are descendants of Abraham and have never been slaves to anyone. What do you mean by saying, "You will be made free'?" 8:34 Jesus answered them, "Very truly, I tell you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. 8:35 The slave does not have a permanent place in the household; the son has a place there forever. 8:36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. Oh, yes, George. Free indeed. Free from guilt, Free from fear of judgment. Free from working our fingers to the bone to try and compensate for Adam's mistake. We can just keep on dropping those eggs right into the deepest part of the ocean, knowing that one day, because of the completed work of Christ on our behalf, we will wake up and find that we are no longer chickens! | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Thanks, George, So are we still brothers in Christ? Jude | ||
| George |
Patti, Yes, Yes, YES, ainít it nice!!! I guess you could sum it up by saying that if you are saved you will not WANT to go out and sin, but if you do you are covered, just as long as you donít make a habit of it. Sounds good to me. For the first time in my life I do feel really free of all the guilt and all the fear and all the confusion. There is a lot of other garbage that I still have to shovel out, but now I can really go back to the beginning and see what it is, now that I am not so blinded with guilt etc. It is not going to be painless but at least I can see what to scoop up and where to pitch it!!! You have such a way with finding verses that fit just right. Got to go---- George | ||
| George |
Jude, Do you understand what I wrote in my last post to you? If you want you can email me at Maryanns address and I will write back. Were we ever not? Well maybe for a little while there. George | ||
| Plain Patti |
Dear George, Your post brought tears to my eyes! Now do you know the meaning of the phrase "was blind but now I see" from "Amazing Grace"? I can truly say of you as Christ said of Peter, "Blessed are you, George, brother of Maryann, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven." Go now and enjoy your freedom in Christ! (And by all means, TELL OTHERS!) "Hallelujah! What a Savior!" (I just LOVE the old hymns.) :) Grace and peace, Patti | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
By George on Tuesday, May 2, 2000 - 03:09 pm: Thanks, George, for the affirmation. Glad to know you still consider me a brother in Christ. I'm not sure I do understand what you wrote in your post. My boundary says I stick with scriptural issues. I also have recently set a boundary that I do not connect my personal e-mail with my Internet postings. Always happy to connect my Internet postings with scriptural issues, though. Your brother in Christ, Jude | ||
| BRUCE H |
Doesn't it just set you FREE? REALLY FREE!! FREE? REALLY FREE!!FREE? REALLY FREE!!FREE? REALLY FREE!! Makes you want to dance. Makes you want to sing. Makes you want to shout about it, shout about it, Jesus Christ is KING!!!!! Go George! WE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST A HOLY PRIESTHOOD. YES- YOU DO BELIEVE!!! ONLY GOD CAN TAKE A PROBLEM AND MAKE IT A VICTORY TO HIS NAME. Bruce Heinric | ||
| George |
Bruce, Knowledge and understanding has set me emotionaly free. Free to go ahead and get saved now that I finaly what WHAT salvation is. Now the age old question. At what point am saved? Is it now? Or, is it when I stop doing the things that I do not WANT to do. How will I know? It seems that if we can know WHAT being saved is in simple turms, we should be able to know in just as simple turms WHEN we are saved. Still looking for answers----George |
