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Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2000 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just received this E-mail from an SDA looking for help. I will not post her name to protect her trust in me, but I thought you all would like to see the fruits of a long hard year building and maintaining a web site devoted to teaching the truth about the Gospel and the SDA Church. I told her about this forum and suggested she come here to find help. If she drops in, welcome her:

I have been on your website at least 3 times a week for the past year. I have been an Adventist all my life until I came upon this webpage. I am really on the total brink of recanting almost all that I have believed (eg Sabbath importance, Ellen White) but before I do this how can I really be sure that what I am feeling right now is the truth. I really believe the Bible but it is so hard to believe that all that I have been taught is mainly false. I really want to begin a new life with all of this information that I have found. What is causing me not to let go totally is this question: If this is all true then why are there still so many Adventist who
hold on to this for dear life? Please help. I need some insight
sherry
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2000 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bethany mentioned this: "The author of Grace Plus Nothing is Jeff Harkin.It really is a great book and has some wonderful things to say like: "One of the significant indications that a person is healing and\or maturing in Christ is a lack of defensiveness"...Wow...I agree...but when and how will this come to fruition in my life? I'm not as defensive as I used to be, but I had it by the semi-load fulls. I wish I wasn't like that...Jesus, Lord, please continue to do Your work in me to reflect You more, and not feel a need to defend myself, but to rest in my identity in You. With Love, Sherry
Bruce H
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2000 - 11:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sherry

Thankyou for your prayer I will ditto that!!
Jeff H
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2000 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Question;

I'm sure all on this board can relate to you since we were all in that position at one time. For me at first I couldn't let go of EGW etc. but it was after the continued weight of evidence that I finally said "Oh she isn't a prophet" and it was like a heavy weight was lifted off me. I'm sure it is the same for others in adventism they hear this or that and rationalize that there is some explanation for it because "we have the truth" and when they read Paul, Hebrews, or the Gospels and it doesn't fit in to what they have been taught they think oh there must be an explanation to fit it into what EGW says. It is amazing to me to read Paul now and say to myself how did I not see that before. I didn't even now that there was a new covenant. I guess we were never taught it.
Bob C
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2000 - 10:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello, I guess I should be classified as a "lurker" as I have happily lurked here for many months. I even tried to post under "Direction of Discussions" on April 20 - but nobody seems to have noticed....(sigh). Keep up the good work. I am not an SDA but have had connections through marriage to it for over 36 years. I have sometimes felt as abused as some of you "formers".
I'm now off on holiday for a couple of weeks. See you when I get back.

God bless
Bob C
Cindy
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2000 - 7:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welcome Bob C!!
I, too, have been in the shadows of this site for awhile and am now just beginning to be "vocal". I went back to your post of April 20 (I clicked on Tree View over to the left of the screen, then clicked on Direction of Discussions). I remember reading your post at that time and thinking you must have a interesting story to share, not being an Adventist but being married to one for so many years!! Please come back after your 'holiday' (I like that term; are you from outside the U.S.? A lot of people around here use the word vacation...)and tell us more!

I would encourage everyone to go back to the Direction of Discussions and read all the posts for that April 20 date. Steve, Max (alias Jude), and Maryann all have good posts about our Forum, our 'reason for being'.

I'd just like to quote from more of my favorite passages of Scripture that I think apply to us here at this forum.

"Therefore, since through God's mercy, we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God.

On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the Glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but JESUS Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness, made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpasssing power us from God and not from us". 2 Corinthians 4:1-7

And also,

"For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

We are therefore Christ's Ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God". 2 Corinthians 14-21.

Because of His mercy and grace alone,
Cindy
Maryann
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2000 - 8:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Bob C,

I'm really guilty in ignoring you! You posted right below me in April! Sorry;-((

Sometimes the first itch doesn't get your attention. I'm NOT calling you an itch, really, but now that you have appeared and itched the second time, I will be looking forward to your story when you get back from yor vacation!

Happy sailing...........Maryann
Dennis Rainwater
Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Bob!! I guess I'm a "lurker" too! Good to see you posting here. I think these good-hearted folks have a lot of insight to offer you. Looking forward to hearing more from you when you get back from London...

Blessings,
Dennis
Max
Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice to see all you lurkers coming out into the sunshine!
Dennis Rainwater
Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2000 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Cindy,

I tried to answer your e-mail, but it got sent back to me as a bad address! Would you please e-mail me again, and include your correct e-mail address in the TEXT of your e-mail? I'm eager to chat with you, but can't for now.

Here's me -- DenRainwater@wwdb.org

Thanks!
Dennis<><
Cindy
Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2000 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dennis, Hi! Are you sure you it was me you were writing to? Beacuse I DID get an e-mail from you last evening!! Thank-you so much! And the picture of your beautiful family was great! Your wife looked very pretty, too (even with the pearl necklace on! ha, ha!). I like jewelry and have always been made to feel guilty about it.

Maybe that was the beginning of some of my questioning years ago. You start questioning one thing and it leads to another, and another... Now I realize how petty the no jewelry issue really is... I should start a post on this!

I"ll mail you a short note right now.

Grateful for His Grace always,
Cindy

P.S. I suppose most of you know this, but you can click on a persons' name at the beginning of their post and get their e-mail address if they have put it out. (My juno e-mail screen comes up and then when I get on that the other persons e-mail address is there ready to write to on the write screen...)
Surfin'
Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2000 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard, Jr.

Hi, Langley Park circa 1970 at the gateway to service.
BORN AGAIN
Posted on Monday, June 26, 2000 - 12:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To the organizer of this web site. I just posted a quote from a Charles Price book "Alive in Chirst" which I highly recommend to all.

However, upon further review of your site I know I posted it in the wrong site it needs to go from the "Chrismatic Church" to "Who I am in Christ" I think it has more relevance there. I don't know if you can do that, but if you can I would be most grateful.

I have enjoyed reading your site and I hope to post more very soon as the Holy Spirit asks me to.
Richard, Jr.
Posted on Monday, June 26, 2000 - 6:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello
Surfn' USA,

Yes, In l970 I was in Langley Park at the gateway to service. That was a long time ago, wasn't it? If you feel like it drop me a message at rdfjr12@juno.com. Yours for the glory days of 1970. Richard, Jr.
Dennis Rainwater
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2000 - 8:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got an e-mail the other day that I thought you all might get a kick out of...

Are you seeking a denominationally correct video series for you or your children? Well, have we got a show for you! No longer will you have to put up with vegetables that engage in frivolous activities such as dancing oh horrors!) or endure trivial, meaningless non-character-building songs about missing hairbrushes or water buffaloes. Now there is a positive alternative for family viewing enjoyment.

New from SmallIdeaProductions...it's...Vegemeat Tales! Through the wonders of computer-generated animation, your favorite meat analogs come to Life as lovable animated characters, rendered With realistic, life-life detail!

They sing, they march (of course they don't Dance; these are Adventist videos!), they play Rook, and much, much more!

Join Larry Linkette and his friends - Fanny J. Frichick, Wilma Wham, Charlie Choplet, Sam Skallop, Tom Turkette, Nancy Nuteena, and Susie
special K Loaf - in their stirring, character-building reenactments of the popular "Uncle Arthur Bedtime Stories" and "Your Story Hour" series. Plus, the end of each tape includes the stirring segment, "Temperance Tunes with Fanny J. Frichick," which feature songs like, "We Don't Smoke and We Don't Chew and We Don't Go Out with Girls That Do."

"Vegemeat Tales is putting good taste into good computer-animated nutrition!" --Worthington Foods Employee Newsletter

"Low in cholesterol, low in fat, high in fun!"
--Loma Linda Medical Center Dietary Department Bulletin


"'Temperance Tunes with Fanny J. Frichick' are so badly needed by today's youth!" --Society to Bring Back the Old Hymnal

Order your video collection today - a must-have for Pathfinder clubs, Sabbath school classes, and kids who have parents that nap all day on Sabbath. Available in your local ABC and in select health food stores across the country.
Stev
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2000 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Dennis,

That's great! (That is, if it's a joke.)

Steve
Burce H
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2000 - 10:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can not seem to get on any of the discusions.
Is anybody else having problems
Bruce H
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2000 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coleen

I am unabel to comment on any of the other
discussions maybe others are having a problem too
Bruce H
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2000 - 10:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sherry
This is the only place I can write on so I will
try to answere your question here.
On your question about the Sabbath being from
creation go to the left and click on the Topics
and then click on the Discussions then pick the
discussion (God Blessed and Made it Holy), I feel
you will find some answeres to your question.


Bruce Heinrich
Cindy
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2000 - 7:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dennis,
The Vegemeat Tales, the 'denominationally corect' video series was funny! No dancing characters, and playing only with Rook cards!

Grace always,
Cindy

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