| Author | Message | ||
| Cindy |
Colleen and Richard, It's the same situation for me...I can post here with my user name and e-mail address without having a password, but the other areas ask for user name and password. I haven't received my password yet, so I guess you guys have been working on everyone's... Blessings to you! Enjoy Independence Day! Always by Grace alone, Cindy | ||
| charlie |
Okay | ||
| George |
Colleen, This seems to be the only place to enter so here goes! Just another thought, I think it is on John 3:18 that it says that if we don't believe we are condemned already. ----Does it say what we are condemned to? Is it eternal hell fire? Or is it just etrnal death? WE know what human life is and we all have an idea of what human death is, but we don't know for sure. It seems to me our idea of eternal life is much the same as our human life in that we will be able to think, see, hear, feel etc.(But in a much better place.) If the condemned have eternal death, then it must be like the death we know now. All that we really know know about death is that it is a big void with nothing in it. If eternal life is much the same as life is for us now, then eternal death or "void" would indeed be eternal punishment. Don't you think? Let me know what you think. George | ||
| Steve |
Dear Friends, In case you weren't aware, you now need a Username and Password to access the discussion section of this website. You can remain anonymous. Simply send your Real Name and Desired Username, along with your valid e-mail address to webmaster@formeradventist.com and the Webmaster will e-mail your Username and Password. Steve | ||
| Allenette |
Webmaster must be enjoying a l o n g weekend because I havent gotten mine yet either :-( Those of you jumping up and down with glee at that.... | ||
| Cindy |
Hi everyone, Hope this site gets up and running fully again soon. I MISS everyone's comments here...even yours Allenette! :-)) (or is it just a FEW of us who can't post again anywhere besides here?) :-)) I've spent the morning reading the news from the G.C. Session in Toronto. Thought you might be interested in these statistics mentioned... The Adventist Church has the highest rate of growth since 1933; every 28.91 seconds someone becomes an Adventist... The ratio of Adventists to Non-Adventists is now 1 in 552...There are now over 11 million Adventists worldwide--over 1 miilion accessions to the Church in 1999 alone! Blessings to all! Always a debtor to His Mercy and Grace, Cindy | ||
| DelStar |
I also, ran into problems trying to post...guess we'll get it straightened out eventually...anyway here's what I had to say.... I think that a portion of the problem with determining this 'doctrine' (of soul sleep or not) is our perception of a 2D man. I hear you say that man is body and soul....and at one point think I saw body + soul = spirit. I'm thinking that man was made in the image of God....triune. Complete with 3 separate entities: body, soul and spirit, the last two being so closely aligned that it takes the Word of God as a two edged sword to separate them but they are able to be separated. By recognizing that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord...no longer is there a problem with Luke 16: 19-31. It also explains the spiritual realm of man upon death be he a receiver or a rejector of Jesus. Fortunately Adventists have reversed themselves on their previous stand that Adam and Eve did not die in the day they ate of the fruit but only began to die....but they still cling to the fallacy that when we die we no longer live...even though we are told repeatedly that we will never die if we believe on the name of Jesus and accept His shed blood for the remission of sins. So the lie of satan goes on. First he said 'thou shalt not surely die' and now he says 'thou shalt not surely live'. | ||
| Bruce H |
Richard Thanks for my password. I could not thought of a better one then you gave me, Thanks. Bruce Heinrich | ||
| Breezy |
Richard Thanks also. It is obvious that you put alot of hard work and effort into this. Very fitting and in keeping with the theme. God Bless | ||
| Colleentinker |
DelStaróVery interesting observation. Adventists have gone from "Thou shalt no surely die" to "Thou shalt not surely live." You're right! Colleen | ||
| Cindy |
Richard, Again, I appreciate your behind-the-scenes work on this forum...received my password; very appropriate...Thanks. Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Cindy |
Delstar, Yes, what you wrote was interesting...about Satan's lies... I really haven't studied much in this area yet. I think the fear I was brought up on was that if you fell for Satan's lie that 'you will not die', then you were ripe for SPIRITUALISM... all your dead relatives coming back to haunt you. Of course, these ghosts were really Satan's angels impersonating our loved ones. This was said to be a very great deception of the "last Days...' I guess this should really go under a different thread... Always under Grace, Cindy | ||
| Bruceh |
George Just another thought, I think it is on John 3:18 that it says that if we don't believe we are condemned already. ----Does it say what we are condemned to? Is it eternal hell fire? Or is it just etrnal death? I believe the scriputres teach eternal Hell. WE know what human life is and we all have an idea of what human death is, but we don't know for sure. It seems to me our idea of eternal life is much the same as our human life in that we will be able to think, see, hear, feel etc.(But in a much better place.) Dont have an answere for that one but I believe you are right. If the condemned have eternal death, then it must be like the death we know now. All that we really know know about death is that it is a big void with nothing in it. If eternal life is much the same as life is for us now, then eternal death or "void" would indeed be eternal punishment. Don't you think? Why would God call death or oblivion or distruction Hell??????? Let me know what you think. George, Part of repenting is accepting God for who he is. Do not make an IDOL by trying to mold God into an Image of what you think he is, accept God for what the scriptures say He is. This was real hard for me at first because the God I have come to know is not the Idol that I used to worship, He is far more and I mean FAR MORE incrediable, loving and mysterious and powerfutl and loving etc.. TRUST IN HIM ON ALL THINGS. Bruce Heinrich sorry I did not get to you quicker I have been vacationing. BH B | ||
| Cindi |
1 I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you, something so evil that even the pagans donít do it. I am told that you have a man in your church who is living in sin with his fatherís wife. 2And you are so proud of yourselves! Why arenít you mourning in sorrow and shame? And why havenít you removed this man from your fellowship? 3Even though I am not there with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit.£ Concerning the one who has done this, I have already passed judgment 4in the name of the Lord Jesus. You are to call a meeting of the church,£ and I will be there in spirit, and the power of the Lord Jesus will be with you as you meet. 5 Then you must cast this man out of the church and into Satanís hands, so that his sinful nature will be destroyed£ and he himself£ will be saved when the Lord returns. 6 How terrible that you should boast about your spirituality, and yet you let this sort of thing go on. Donít you realize that if even one person is allowed to go on sinning, soon all will be affected? 7 Remove this wicked person from among you so that you can stay pure.£ Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us. 8So let us celebrate the festival, not by eating the old bread£ of wickedness and evil, but by eating the new bread£ of purity and truth. 9 When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10 But I wasnít talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian£ yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Donít even eat with such people. 12 It isnít my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. 13God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, ìYou must remove the evil person from among you.î£ | ||
| Susan |
Cindi, what are you talking about? I'm not sure what or who you're refering to??? | ||
| Cindy |
Yes, I am wondering also!! At first glance, I thought somebody had posted under my name... but I see it is Cindi with an 'i' instead. Also, Colleen and Richard, I am wondering if those who post here can write to our e-mail addresses if we've given it out. Before, when you clicked on a person's name, if they had given their e-mail address it would show up; but now it doesn't seem to do this. Also, if someone has the same name, does the webmaster always add an identifying suffix (like my husband, Richard, Jr.). Or maybe that is not always possible. Blessings all! Always in Grace, Cindy | ||
| Allenette |
Looks like another case of the Illuminati to me, or at least the BATF, or a moron. oops that's redundant sorry. Carry on :-) | ||
| Colleentinker |
Good questions, Cindy. First, Richard turned off the email addresses so members posting here can have complete privacy. If you wish to receive email, you can post your email address when you write on the forum. Second, Yes, there's always some identifier to signal a second person by the same name. We have Richard (my husband) and Richardjr (your husband). We also have a Sherry and a Sherry2, etc. Third, as you've probably already figured out, the guestbook is the only thread that is still open for public posting. It's a place where non-members can check in and say "hi". | ||
| Kimberly Estes |
Hello, what a revelation! I just found out about this website, and what a wonderful ministry for us all. I was raised an SDA and just recently found my Saviour Jesus Christ. Oh, I thought I had before, but like so many who have written in here, I was groping in the dark! I have never engaged in conversation on the net, I don't even know if this will go through. Someone, a well-meaning friend, sent me a publication called 'Servant's News' hoping to stear me back in the right direction on Sabbath and the Holy Days. This website was mentioned along with information about what's taking place in the Adventist Church, concerning "fallout" over New Covenant Theology, and how many Sabbatarian Christians are leaving the "Sabbath Truth". I'm thankful I found you. We all need support. It's rough to get through years of, I hate to say it, brainwashing and not lose God. There are so many "tapes" that fire off, that make you think you will lose salvation for leaving the church. All I can say is stay in the Bible and in prayer, constantly focused on Christ as our Savior. Oh, the freedom in Christ! What a wonderful blessing of rest! Your sister in Christ, KME | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Kimberly, Welcome! Yes, this is a wonderful site. Go ahead and register and post your story. I would love to hear it and I know the rest of us would too. Or just join the conversation. What a neat way to have found out about this site! You said: "I was raised an SDA and just recently found my Saviour Jesus Christ. Oh, I thought I had before, but like so many who have written in here, I was groping in the dark!" What a great testimony! You may be surprised that, that is NOT an unusual experience. So many of us were totally clueless as to who Jesus/Lord/God was till we got drug out of the mire. Also, the "insecure/fear factor" was very high too Maryann |
