| Author | Message | ||
| Steve |
Hi kme, The SDA ministry is called AMiCUS. It stands for Adventist Ministry in College and University Settings. Amicus, in latin, means "friend" (that's where we get our word for amicable.) Although they don't have much of a website, there is a brief page with a couple of links at: CLICK HERE I am curious as to which SDA evangelist you're referring to above (was it Mark Finley?) The reason: My wife is kicking me out in two days. Even the pastor who was counseling us was amazed. He even stated to her that it seems that being SDA, as opposed to Christian, is what really matters to her. Knowing that someone like Finley in the SDA churches teaches that could help me. Thanks, Steve | ||
| Sherry2 |
I'm so sorry, Steve. How sad that is indeed. I will pray for you both. I'm curious to the evangelist too...it wasn't Dwight Nelson was it? Yipes. The more time I spend away from the denom. the more I see it's culticness. | ||
| Sherry2 |
Hi Susan, yes, fall sounds good! Sort-of sda mecca...I'm right close to Battle Creek, ellen's home town which has opened up it's village now...having put our tithe money into rebuilding her home and others as a historic village on adventism. Grand Rapids where I live has 7-8 Adventist churches here. It's really weird to be on the other end so to speak. Here I helped out with the evangelistic series in the past, and now I'm wishing to thwart a false gospel going out to people. | ||
| kme |
Hello Steve, Thanks for the information. There was a very disturbing back cover on the issue I recently saw at someone's home. They threw it away, and I wanted to find out more about it, to possibly question the publishers, which I normally wouldn't bother with, but it was that bad. As for who the minister was, it wasn't Mark Finley. It was Doug Bachelor. As I said, my husband and I had heard him speak several times on 3ABN. He is a very good and effective speaker. You've probably heard him. But, this particular time, as well as, one of his sermons or Sabbath School classes (I'm not sure which) was very typical 7th Day Adventist muck. We just heard another one of the Net New York meetings, night before last, and it was obviously one of the earlier meetings. It was not so dogmatic. I'm sorry about your domestic situation. I feared for a very short time that my husband would not see the truth about the way we had been taught. He still doesn't feel as strongly as I do. However, he is learning and studying. But he hasn't had as much time to put into "studying his way out" as someone said earlier. I think it may have been a quote from Dale Ratzlaff (forgive me, I'm not familiar with his work). I love that quote though, it's so true. I will be praying for you and your wife. I don't really like to dog anyone, but I'm not afraid to speak the truth either! I hope the information helps you. I've really not heard Mark Finley that much. Were you raised SDA? Was your wife? Hope I'm not prying, I just know how hard it can be, to break free of. I come from several generations of SDA's, including several ministers in my extended family. Sincerely, kme | ||
| Breezy |
Hi Steve, My heart goes out to you in your situation. My father is going through the same thing. His wife decided she didn't like things he was doing and is divorcing him. He refused to leave the home and she eventually took it to court and had a judge remove him. She continues to testify in ss class and claims that she is under grace in what she is doing because she doesn't agree with my dad. I don't believe it is God's grace she is under. It just shows how someone can be fully convinced that they are living a holy life and justified, and at the same time work such evil. I pray that you will stay strong and not let your heart breaking dissuade you from the truth. Adventist preach about the great shaking that will occur at the end of time as if they will always come out on the right side. I can't believe that what your wife is doing puts her in the right. The bible talks about putting away a spouse who is an unbeliever in Christ, not the SDA church. She has no biblical grounds for kicking you out. Hope that's not too personal, but it is a sensitive subject right now having witnessed my own father's persecution. God Bless and you are in my thoughts moment to moment, Wendy | ||
| Bmorgan |
Yes Steve, My heart ache for you too. I am very sorry about that. It is the children I am concerned about. Last fall the pastor's wife did a Bible study on godly women, I came away so deeply convicted. Encouraged, that I had begun to know how to live as a godly woman, and very angry that I did not learn it before. For a church who guard the their Truth, sda lack in teaching women how to really live godly lives.. I wish they allowed jewelry so women can understand what true beauty on the inside resemble. You are in my prayers Steve. BMorgan | ||
| Steve |
Thank you all. It appears that I may be living in a dorm room at the La Sierra University campus in a couple of days if things work out that way. Hope I can check in on the website during this time. Steve | ||
| Cindy |
Steve...I'm praying that God's presence will be close to you. I'm praying that your wife will open her heart to the Holy Spirit's leading alone. Always because of Grace, Cindy | ||
| Cindy |
KME, Hi again! I heard Doug Batchelor just twice(that was enough for me), and I know that the S.D.A. group he heads, "Amazing Facts'- based in Sacremento, California-is quite cultic and rigid, but fully endorsed by mainstream S.D.A.ism.... As far as the jewelry issue, when you get the time, go to the thread, 'Dear Adventist Friend: Has Your Church Ever Felt This Phony? READ ìPLASTIC CHURCHî AND FIND OUT'. Click on 'tree view' and it will show up.) Max has a good story there and I've posted an article that the 'Amazing Facts' organization had in their 'Inside Report' magazine. Read it and see what you think!! Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Colleentinker |
Steveóour prayers for you and your family continue. Remember what Paul wrote to Timothy: "For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline." (2 Tim. 1:7) He is with you, Steve, and He will be your strength. In Him, Colleen and Richard | ||
| Anon |
What areas of the country do you have chapters meeting? | ||
| colleentinker |
Currently there is an FAF group meeting in Maryland. Groundwork for a group in the Fresno, CA area is underway, but so far there's no official group yet. Why do you ask? Colleen | ||
| Steve |
Dear Anon, There's also the group in Redlands, California (near Loma Linda). That's the group that runs this web site (although you may already know that!) Steve | ||
| Anon |
Just wondering. | ||
| Anon |
Is church service broadcast over the web? | ||
| Steve |
Don't think the services from the church the FAF group meets in is on the internet. However, there are some church services broadcast on the internet. Go to http://www.thegospel.org/ to see what's currently available. I haven't checked there in a while but I believe they broadcast some services. If you have a web browser and can use a search engine (internet search function) just type in "church service internet broadcast" and see what comes up. However, you may get just about anything from just about any church, so you may want to be a bit selective in what you choose to view. | ||
| Damaged Spirit |
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:29-32 (NIV) | ||
| Steve |
Amen, Damaged Spirit. For me, one of the key phrases from what you quote is "but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs." You'll find that many of us are having our spiritual needs met by having these discussions. I hope you'll join us and help us meet our needs, and perhaps we can, in the Holy Spirit, meet some of your needs as well. I hope your spirit is not damaged for long. I know One who can make it whole again. And you don't have to do anything to receive that wholeness. He's holding it out to you right now. Steve | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Damaged Spirit, Could you tell us in what way your spirit has been damaged? Maryann | ||
| Troubled Spirit |
I am a Christian, yet I am treated like a non-believer by those that also claim to follow Him. Some people in this board do not like accept or understand me. I am a fruit of the true Christ, not the shadow - Sabbath. Christ is the exact, complete, full dimensional, finished product that the Sabbath just presented as a fading shadow. Just as John the Baptist needed to decrease, so the Sabbath was a voice in the wilderness calling out that one greater commeth. It MUST be seen that EGW was a false prophet, and it is just as important to remember and recognize that the false prophetís grandest message and burden given to her by her false angel and the false christ in vision was the Sabbath wall message. She declared that the Sabbath was the paramount commandment that out shown all the others and that it was a dividing wall that separated true believers from lost people only acting the part of Christians. Christ declared that He came to tear down the walls that separated us from our Father. EGWís message is 180 degrees reverse from our Lordís message. Yet we often let fleeing SDAís that have accepted the truth about EGW being a false prophet carry on their backs for life, the baggage of Ellen White. The Sabbath is just baggage of a false prophet and a false Church! You cannot escape the Advent spirit if you still carry the spirits grandest deception! It is True that Paul tells us we can keep any day for the Lord that we choose, and we are free to keep Sabbath, or Tuesday if we want to, HOWEVER, that is far different than the message that we are somehow better, closer, stronger, healthier, taller, kinder, whatever - if we keep the Sabbath! The Sabbath is just exactly a perfect match for the false prophet to use as her paramount teaching. They are both something that can look credible to everyone. They can both deceive everyone and they can both be used to discourage people from accepting the easy free gift of eternal life with Christ. I urge everyone to go to a Sabbath keeper this Saturday and make friends with them. Ask them to tell you about the Sabbath. Listen to them proclaim the value and the merits of keeping Gods unchangeable law. After they have said their piece, give them a warm hug and tell them you have a peace that surpasses all understanding. If you can still cry, share with them your warm tears as you tell them that TODAY is the day of their rest in Christ and everyday is that same rest. Do you know that Genesis in the first few lines gives a strong clue to that eternal rest? Notice how every single day uses the phrase "and the evening and the morning were the (first)(third)" and so on. Yet the Seventh Day does not contain this complex structured sentence. Why? It is because God did not end His rest! God did not end His rest until Adam fell and God went back to work to Save the lost. God again rested when Christ declared "It is finished". Then we had a new day of rest. Not Sunday, EVERYDAY! You ask why I am a troubled spirit. Do you now know why? |
