| Author | Message | ||
| George |
Breezy, I lived in College Place too for a short while, but I didn't get into the SDA thing there. It is a small small world. Sherry, I too was trying to say that it is ok to eat good,just as long as you don't feel guilty when you don't. While we are on the subject, what is eating good? There are some in the world that eat rats,monkeys,grubs and just about anything that moves as well as what plants they can find. In their sixtys they can still walk/run over ten miles as well as climb six or eight 150ft. trees with nothing more than their hands and feet. I should be so lucky. Just a thought----George | ||
| Allenette |
Chyna: Just you wait til you have kids! Then you will say, "cleanliness is...next to.... IMPOSSIBLE" gggg In the past few years, EGW has been exposed as being a closet meat eater, herself. From, her son saying to, couriers of sort, that his mother requested to be brought fresh chicken (at CAMPMEETING YET!!! Sheesh!!) to her letters requesting her being brought....OMG!--fresh OYSTERS (yuccch)since her current supply was stale. Like I have mentioned on other threads, seems like everyday people's sins are more and more, defined as things they themselves, DO NOT ENJOY...but, if they do......they can usually find a way to justify it. More power to 'em. IMHO ;-) Life is short. Cheers, Allenette | ||
| Breezy |
Allenette, All that stuff you posted above is hearsay. None is able to be proved and is quite possibly the backstabbing of disgruntled people. Ellen addressed all that stuff above and discredits the naysayers all over the place. What makes you take someone else's word over her own. To all, What makes everyone so ready to jump ship and decry Ellen as a false prophet. All of this "evidence" could be planted by Satan and his agents, yet you jump on the bandwagon with bells on. Could it be that any excuse is handy when one feels the task at hand is too difficult? Perhaps God asked too much through His faithful servant and it was convenient to jump ship. Easier. I'm sorry but I see too much evidence of Satan being alive and well to discount this possibility. Also, if you read Ellen's prophecies what is happening with the discredit of her and long held doctrines as well as the clear sifting within the Adventist church, is proof enough that she knew what she was talking about. I see stuff that she prophesied about taking place before my very eyes. I am not willing to set her aside just because there are rumors out there that cannot be disproved to be of the devil. I know, I know, why am I here? Because I just can't stop likin' you'all. There, it's out in the open. You guys are too cool and I love to talk with you. Maryann. If you figure out how to surgically remove your fingers from the keyboard, would you let me know. I need helllpppp!!! Wendy.com | ||
| Breezy |
Allenette, You are definitely right about one thing-cleanliness next to kids(3)is IMPOSSIBLE! Wendy | ||
| Larimobley |
Dear Wendy, Okay, I'll take a stab at the question about labeling EGWhite a false prophet. It comes from Deuteronomy 18:21-22. "And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' -- when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." EGWhite has made several predictions IN THE NAME OF THE LORD which did not and will never come true. One was that she would be alive at the 2nd coming. There are others. If I'm reading Deuteronomy 18:22 correctly, a true prophet has to bat 1000. EGWhite isn't even close. Regardless of ANYTHING she prophesied that did come to pass (and most of these things are also prophesied about in the Bible), she doesn't pass the test. And here's another way to go about it. Didn't EGWhite herself say somewhere that if we really read the Bible we wouldn't need her writings? Forgive me but I don't know the exact reference here. Anyone?? I'll stick to the Bible. I find my head much clearer when I stick to God's word and leave Ellen out of it. In His grace, Lari | ||
| Larimobley |
And one more thing, Wendy, You wrote: "If you figure out how to surgically remove your fingers from the keyboard, would you let me know. I need helllpppp!!!" I've got three kids, too, have to get up early tomorrow and go to work, but here I sit posting. So please, if you, Maryann, or whoever figures out how to "give it up and go to bed," would you please let me know??? I guess there is an "off" switch to the computer. I should probably use it. Goodnight all. In His grace, Lari | ||
| Doug |
Wendy, In love and in no other spirit do I post the following: Deut 18:22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." NKJV A prophet must be right 100% of the time. Period. No if, ands or buts. Ellen is on record numerous times have evoked the Lords name and claiming specific events that never happened. Didn't even come close. Multiple occasions. Period. By the absolute definition from the bible, EG White is a prophet who is not to be feared (believed). Whatever good things she might have written (copied), they in no way count for her being considered a "continuing and authoritative source of truth." Period. EG White is a false prophet. Adventists who deliberately continue to hide these facts and promote her recklessly to unsuspecting people are distorting the very word of God. Whoa unto them, for they will cry, Lord Lord, and he will say depart from me, I never knew you. The fact that in addition to her totally blowing the test of a prophet, there is documented evidence that she was a hypocrite and contradicted herself on numerous occasions. I grew up reading and being quoted Ellen. She says some incredible amazing and beautiful things. So does Plato. The central doctrine of Adventism is the Investigative Judgement. It is a completely unholy doctrine that resolutely guts the gospel. Until corporate Adventism admits their error, dumps EG White, repents and enters the mainstream body of Christianity, they will continue to be seen as a cultic organization. Ellen herself says her writings stand or fall as a whole being from God or Satan. Clearly the Deut. test establishes her credentials (FEAR NOT!). I am reticent to draw the only obvious conclusion. I know there are many sincere Adventists. But I must conclude that they are uninformed or deceived. When you compare the statistics of those who end up leaving the Church and not entering into any other fellowship, the total deception of the evil one becomes complete. He is either distracting the church with promises of unique arrogance and remnancy or driving members who are allergic to legalism out of any kind of fellowship. The corporate Adventist Church has staked its integrity to a proven false prophet. God help them. | ||
| Breezy |
Lari, And yet again, here I am!;) I'm telling you... One interpretion I heard recently about Ellen being at the Second coming was that she was resurrected with the dead in Christ. That would answer it too. About her saying that if the people were reading the Bible as they should, that could be taken two ways. Maybe they were neglecting their Bibles. Or, maybe the interpretation was incorrect. Just a thought. Oh. There's that button... Nite Lari! :) | ||
| Breezy |
Doug, I respectfully disagree.:) By the way, am I correct in remembering you as Lari's husband? Or was it someone else? If you are... Make her go to bed!(and me too) :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) Wendy | ||
| Susan |
Wendy, I've read SO many books on cults over the years. Did you know that other so-called prophets claimed the exact same thing (with regard to people discrediting them as proof that they're truly a prophet)? I believe this is just a scare tactic to keep people believing in a false prophet/cult. Please don't take this as a personal attack. I love you in Christ and I really am praying for you all the time. But I've come to view Adventism as a full blown cult. I also believe Ellen was truly getting her information from other people as well as from Satan. In my opinion she was not only a false prophet but a vehicle for Satan's lies and doctrines. I know this sounds harsh, but some folks just need to hear these things! Think about all the things you've heard here. Read all the books available and listen to tapes and the video (I'm sure others as well as myself would be happy to send you stuff for free or on a borrow basis). Stay in the word without Ellen or SDA commentary for a while. And most importantly, pray for the wisdom of the true "Spirit of Prophecy", THE HOLY SPIRIT to be your guide. God bless you Wendy, Susan | ||
| Sherry2 |
I found reading Revelation and the church of Thyratira very enlightning...remembering that symbolically sexual adultry = spiritual adultry. That was quite a surprise to me. Again, I try to stick with what I know is a down right lie in EGW, and those items that are debatable or seem to be picking at details that can be misconstrued or taken out of context I ignore. We honestly do not need to rip apart and shred everything she ever wrote. Just the bare facts of obvious plagerism, falsity of 1844, and even using fiction in Desire of Ages and quoting it as fact and her own words, plus the Testimonies which have so much bitterness in them and extremes was quite enough for me. I already had learned from being in a charasmatic churches that seem to accept everything as prophetic, to study my Bible carefully to understand the tests of the prophets, and that was what God pointed me to when I stumbled through EGW stuff. Not what I expected...not ever. But God has been so gracious. | ||
| Larimobley |
Dear Wendy, Yes, Doug is my husband. And he finally did make us both go to bed! But here I am again tonight. When you find that good 12-step program, please share, okay? Let me echo Susan that I believe the true Spirit of Prophecy in the Bible is indeed the Holy Spirit. And I know the Holy Spirit is real because of the changes He's made in my life in the past year. In His grace, Lari | ||
| Breezy |
Susan, I am sorry, but if we are not firmly grounded in the Word, any spirit may lead us. If it pleasing to the ear, perhaps it is the easy road not the straight and narrow path that Christ predicted. I have read all the books, I have heard all the testimony, I do not believe it is truth. I have read it with prayer for the Holy Spirit's guidance and with my Bible next to me. Are you going to say I am any less guided by the Holy Spirit than you or anyone else here? If we both claim the Holy Spirit, and both reach different conclusions, whose Spirit is Holy? Lari, The Spirit of Prophecy is the Holy Spirit. To All, But there are imbuements of the Spirit, spiritual gifts, and perhaps Ellen had it. She never spoke smooth things. She knew she would be hated for it. She predicted that Satan would attack it with all his might. Why, because it was truth. And sometimes the truth hurts. Ellen White did not claim to be the Spirit of Prophecy, this was claimed by others and rebuked by her. Have you studied the writings from the EGWhite estate, or have you allowed yourself to be poisoned by the writings of people(demons?) to exclusion of all else. Many here claim that those who are SDA's still are just blind to the truth of Ellen's sins. But the truth about that is, they have all heard the claims and studied them out for themselves. They did not come to the same conclusions. So, one might ask, if you and a small handful of others are the only ones who have the "truth", does this make you the remnant? Are we spiritually blind? Or are you deluded and deceived and believing a lie? How do you know for sure? I can prove my stuff by the Bible and so can you. I can refute your stuff by the Bible and vice versa. So, I ask you again. Who is correct. Which Spirit is Holy, and which is evil, and how do you tell? Wendy | ||
| Susan |
Wendy, thanks for your response. I agree, we must be firmly rooted in the word. I chose to take the very difficult road of being a Christ-follower! When I was confronted (knocked over) by THE Stumbling Block/Jesus, my life radically changed. I'm not saying that the Holy Spirit is not in you. I believe you rely on Jesus Christ. I think that's wonderful! What I am saying is that the Holy Spirit was NOT in EGW! I think it was you on another thread (?), that mentioned how teachers will be held to a higher accountability? Well, this will certainly hold true for Ellen. "She predicted that Satan would attack it with all his might." Wendy, this is the same thing Joseph Smith "prophesied"! If you are using this argument to prove her testimonies are of God, then you must also accept Mormonism as true! Can you give us some BIBLICAL ONLY proof, that EGW was of God? I don't give a "flying hoot" about her sin. We all are sinners! I don't claim SDA's are blind to the truth of Ellen's sins, I belive they are blind to her heretical teachings! By exposing themselves to the evil power that influences her words, they will continue to be deceived. The amazing and awesome thing is, God can reach even those who are veiled in the evil influenece of EGW. I know because he did it with me. When I was willing to acknowledge that she was a false prophet(on one minor little thing!), and I let the power of the holy bible alone be my standard, then it was like the lights at a stadium (at night) went on! Wendy, why are those who write against EGW demons? From the things I've read by many different former SDA pastors, they always use the bible as their ultimate authority. And contrary to what the SDA church would have you believe, they all left over doctrinal issues that could NOT be proved by scripture. How do you know if something is evil? It will contradict the word of God. Can you prove by the bible, that the spirit guiding EGW was not evil? Because the mountains of evidence I've seen, only point to the fact that she was most certainly led by Satan. I would be happy to see any BIBLICAL proof that proves otherwise. Thank you Wendy for still interacting with us. I'm convinced that God has chosen you as His child, for very special reasons. In Christ, Susan | ||
| George |
When it comes to whether or not to believe in EGW I like to follow the advice on a southern senator at the Robert Bork conformation hearing-----When in doubt don't. In other words if there is someting else to believe in that you know is right (Bible), believe in that untill the other is decided. Or don't believe the one in question at all as it is not necessary. The Bible is all that is needed, she herself said so. Confusion = unhappiness of one kind or another. Clarity = happiness or contentment. So if it is unclear or confused leave it alone and you will be more happy and contented. Who wants you to be happy? Who wants you to be confused? Remember it says--Choose you this day who you will serve. It is as simple as that. Why complicate a simple thing. George | ||
| Susan |
Well said George! The gospel really is simple. Susan | ||
| Lydell |
Wendy, you said: "But there are imbuements of the Spirit, spiritual gifts, and perhaps Ellen had it." THE test of a prophet is that what they have said agrees with scripture. The Investigative Judgment is not to be found in the scripture anywhere. The Investigative Judgment is contrary to the gospel. Not just a little tad wrong, but totally contrary to the gospel. That is THE final test of Ellen White. | ||
| Breezy |
NO that is what you have read from other false prophets who also can be proven wrong by the scriptures. I did not mean if I said it that those who speak against EGW are demons. I meant that those who preach a false or incomplete gospel to the detriment of others are speaking the doctrines of devils. K? I'm sorry but I spent the last two months reviewing the evidence and it didn't pan out. Maybe I am just not looking for the easy road out. The doctrine that we have no part in our own salvation is false. Look at the Red Sea. The Israelites were required to take a step of faith before God worked the miracle. Looks like works to me. Oh yeah. None of you believe the old testament is valid. If the law was done away with at the cross and replaced with a new covenant, why did God preserve it in the Old Testament. Why didn't He form a Bible that included the New Testament only so that there would be no confusion. If He had only the new law that Christ gave"Love thy neighbor as thyself, etc", wouldn't that mean that people would only believe the new law and know nothing of the old? Or are you saying that God put the law there deliberately so that people would be confused and fall. HMMM. Wendy | ||
| Sherry2 |
Again, you're not listening. No one had made the claim of invalidating the Old Testament. But why do I bother saying this. God bless you on your walk, Wendy. If you come to a point of needing our help, we are here for you. That's what this group is for...to help formers, which you will not understand until you are there. But if you ever come to that point, we are here for you. Again, God bless you richly on your walk. One thing I've learned about God's salvation is this...we are all learning on our journey...all growing...and none of us holds the corner on knowing God...I would dare say that many of us may find out we did have some faulty understandings of Him...I'm sure I've got some..but God's salvation is not based on our perfectly understanding Him. It is based on accepting the free gift of the forgiveness of our sins and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior of our lives. God bless all. | ||
| Susan |
Wendy, still waiting for the BIBLICAL evidence that EGW was led by the Holy Spirit. Also, what about Mormonism? If Joseph Smith claimed the same things as Ellen, then his church must be correct too. Did you know that she plagerized (sorry, borrowed) some of J.S.'s writings, then passed them off as divinely inspired? What's your take on her spirit guide and the outer-body-experiences she had? My understanding of these super-natural abilities is that they are either from Satan, or a really "good" LSD trip! (Maybe she was eating to many veggies in the mushroom family??? ha!ha!, just a thought) Susan |
