| Author | Message | ||
| Cindy |
Dear Damaged/Troubled Spirit, (are you one and the same?) Welcome to this forum! I hope you will find this to be a 'place of Grace' and healing for your spirit. I'm not sure what you mean by: "Some people in this board do not like accept or understand me." Have you posted here before? Do you mean this forum by 'this board'? I thought you had some excellent insights into the never-ending Sabbath Rest we can enjoy now in Jesus. Also your thoughts on EGW... I see so much that having our eyes open to the true Grace as it is in Jesus! is a graadual process of the Holy Spirit's work in us. We first Rest in His Absolutely Finished Work for us at the Cross! and then, the Holy Spirit will continue to open our eyes to the wrong teachings we have embraced, or have been taught, through the years. But we must be patient with others, and with ourselves! during this process. Grace to you! Keep 'talking'... Cindy | ||
| Trampled Spirit |
While we lick our wonds and mend our torn clothing as a result of the beatings we suffered at the hands of Adventism, others are exiting the "Church" in droves carring baggage they think is the truth. Like a carrier of an exotic plague, they have rejected the messenger, yet continue to sing the message, and spread it on to others. They may not even keep the Sabbath, yet they have guilt for not doing so. They are uncomfortable in stores on that day because they firmly think they are wrong; yet they cannot for what ever reason (and the reasons are wide), they walk away from Christanity because they think the price is to high for them. Adventism teaches that we must pay the price for what Christ offers - And that is WRONG. | ||
| Crushed Spirit |
I forgot to answer your question: Yes, I have. | ||
| Hardened Spirit |
Max and I became friends here. Where is he? Why does he not post now? | ||
| Susan |
Welcome, to you! I'm not sure how to address you. It sounds like you are a hurting spirit. Adventists are rather good at spiritual abuse, huh? Glad you're here. Hope you will continue to hang out with us. Praying that God will touch your heart in a special way. Colleen always says, "God wastes nothing, but redeems everything" (please correct me Colleen if I've messed it up!). God really does redeem the "years the locusts/SDA's destroyed"! | ||
| Cindy |
Dear Damaged, Troubled, Trampled, Crushed, and Hardened Spirit, I pray you will be blessed more and more with Peace! I think you are so right about those who leave Adventism and get caught up in the guilt feelings and even destructive behaviors. I actually left back in the early 1980's, but at that time just had a limited understanding of Grace and the All-sufficiency of Christ's work for me on the Cross. So, a few years later I got got back into the church--thinking that maybe it still was compatible with my growing understanding of Grace. And I still believed that the 'Sabbath issue' would be the 'final test of loyalty' for 'true' believers... Five years ago I began intensely studying this 'Sabbath truth'; and now Scripture has opened up so much as I have seen Jesus as my Focal point and my never-ending Sabbath rest! You are right in that many reject Christianity alltogether after leaving Adventism. This is so sad. Unfortunately, this is still the message given by church officials to those who leave. In two editorials in 'The Adventist Review' written by the editor, William Johnsson, the forecast is given that those who leave, even to start their own community church, are heading into "a grim, spiritual wasteland." (see "When the Family Splits", Nov.1997 and "Where Are They Now?", Feb. 17,2000) Praise God that by holding onto Jesus we can rise above these scare tactics and realize that Jesus can really be Enough!! For me, the key has been to accept His Righteousness Alone as of First Importance! The Message of the Cross and that I can Rest in Christ's Work Alone, totally! has given me a sense of freedom, confidence and joy. And peace... And my desire has beeen to pray for and be open to the Holy Spirit's guidance every day, "24/7"! Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Steve |
Hi Trampled/Crushed/Hardened, I was Angry Spirit for quite a while, and am only now becoming less angry. I have found many here are accepting totally what Christ has done for them while at the same time rejecting all that SDAism stands for. It's quite a breath of fresh air. Especially when I even thought of telling Christ to "get out of my life." But admitting that I had that thought more than once, has been very healing for me. It's helped me see what Adventism really is at it's core. And it has helped me see that Jesus is standing, not one inch from me, but is pressing me up against His bosom as I blubber all over His chest. As Susan says above, quoting Colleen, Jesus REALLY DOES redeem everything. He is taking the last 15 years of my life and is making it meaningful for me in my walk with Him. I pray, that someday you will be Healed Spirit. Looking forward to more interaction with you in the discussions on this board. Steve | ||
| Cindy |
Susan, I really like what both Colleen and you have said about God wasting nothing...and redeeming everything. Redeeming the years... I pray I can trust more in Him; and that I can be content to rest in HIS timing, not mine. Thanks for your encouraging posts! Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Damaged, Troubled, Trampled, Crushed, and Hardened Spirit, Are you Gary? That is okay if you are. Just let us know. Maryann | ||
| Ending Spirit |
Maryann: Why? So Richa** can block Gar* again? I have seen what goes on here and other places. Private conversations that only injure people. The warnings I have posted and the cries I have shared have ALWAYS been out in the open. I have NEVER posted something in a private e-mail that could not be said in public! Did Christ have a private message for just one that could not be spoken in public? You can hear the sadness in my voice, but fail to reach my tears. Why is that? It is because a person cannot help another unless that person also shares in the pain. Who here wants/needs to share my pain? No one. Did Jane* or Rolaan* share my Pain? They do have a rather nice collection of throwing stones and are very good shots. Their blows hurt me more than they will ever know. They did not ask for the truth, only wanting one side of the story. Their reward for their actions is watching me burn in hell. I truly feel that this place is a "feel good" coffee shop and any real problems are better not spoken. Correct? Time is short and getting shorter, for me. They have won, I am beaten and broken, no longer able to muster the currage to pray or comfort my wounds with Christ. I am rejecting everything I ever preached. And I preached harder than anyone, Even P**** will admit this. You have one here that knows EXACTLY what I am talking about, but that person is now shouting for joy that I am lower that low. P****, you have won. Another man beaten. Cangrats to you. This is all I ever wanted: I wanted everyone to know the free love of God. That is all I wanted. People that I once knew and trusted spoke well of me and was glad when I chatted with them. Now I am hated for my desire for truth? So be it. Hate me and pound my name into the ground, but every blow you strike me with also strikes Christ. He can take it, but I am growing tired and soon will rest. Will I be missed? You tell me. I will end this with the words guarding the door to this place. May they help you in my time of need. Bye. "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:29-32 (NIV) | ||
| Please don't go! |
Boy I someone has learned a lesson from this. I haven't heard all of the background but there is obviously some real pain here. The person he refers to knows what he means and I hope when they are dealing with others they won't make the same mistake. This was very sad to read. I hope he'll be back. I hope he isn't lost. I am so very very sad. And I hope all on this post will pray to the utmost for the Holy Spirit to reach out and touch this person and heal his broken heart. Please Lord, Compassion | ||
| ended spirit |
Richar*: Why did you block Gar* without ever contacting him or asking his side of the story? Did you go to him and ask if he was troubled by something? No, you did not. Why is that? Is it because you were just busy enough to accept the lies of others as the truth? I guess you are a good man, I do not know. The reason I do not know is I was never given the chance to express my fears before you tossed me into the trash like a unwanted piece of trash. I will use this last hurrah as as a warning: Do not trust every spirit. Test their fruits. I know you will replace this and every message I placed here with a message that says "this message was removed because it was beyond the scope of this forum." And that will be correct, because I am beyond the scope of this forum. You are correct. I will leave no further note, forward this to the proper athorities. Do not try to follow me as I know where I am going and you all do not want to be there. Bye. | ||
| Cindy |
To whomever you are who's been posting under all those names... I think you have the wrong perception of us here at this forum! But it sounds like you're in a lot of pain and need to have a Christian friend to talk with. I will pray someone comes into your life and that you will be open to the Holy Spirit's guidance and COMFORT!! I will continue to pray for your peace of mind... Remember, no matter what anyone says, our confidence comes from being beloved and fully accepted children of God!! And we are all EQUAL when we stand at the Cross... We are heirs with Christ and seated with Him in heavenly places; children of the KING!! Blessings and GRACE to you... May you realize His indescribable gift of Grace is for YOU!! Always in Grace alone, Cindy | ||
| Colleentinker |
I want to tell you, Gary, that I have been praying for you and will continue to pray for you. I am praying that God will send the Holy Spirit to you to confront, minister, and teach you. I am praying that whatever it is that is harrasing you will be bound. In the name of Jesus Christ I pray that you will find deliverance and peace. I praise God for his Spirit which is present in this forum, and I praise him for his awesome love and power which protects, loves, and nurtures each one of us. I praise him for his blessings and for the fact that nothing can squelch His power or make His sovereign will of no account. I praise God for each person who writes or lurks on this forum, including you, Gary, and I praise him for what he is doing in each one of our lives. "To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joyóto the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." (Jude 24) | ||
| Steve |
Gary, It appears that what you need is a group of Christians to meet with on a very regular basis where you can share this pain. On an electronic discussion board as this one, it is EXTREMELY hard to get feelings across, and when I get a feeling about someone, I find that I'm often wrong. I feel you may be wrong about the folks that post here. I have been meeting with a group of people for a few months now and they are getting to know me and the personal pains that are going on in my life. Although I share some of that on this website, I could NEVER expect nameless and faceless people to comfort and encourage me like people in the flesh. (I do find comfort and encouragement here, but it cannot match what I find when meeting with people in the flesh.) This website accomplishes much. But there are some things that I can never expect from this website. Human interaction is one of those things. May God richly bless you as you seek Him amongst a group of believers. Steve | ||
| Breezy |
Thank you Colleen for your prayer to bind whatever evil presence is tormenting Gary. The torment and pain that he is experiencing is only from Satan. Gary, when you let anger and bad feelings reign in your heart it gives Satan a foothold and permission to wreak havoc with your soul. If he has convinced you that you are lost you need to call on Jesus to release you from the bondage that Satan the father of lies has placed you under. Nothing can take you away from Jesus. If you can't feel Him there you must remember that that is just a wall that Satan has placed there to isolate you. Don't let him win. Let Jesus fight him for you. I am praying for you. Knowing that you and Jesus will prevail, Wendy | ||
| Once troubled |
Gary, I too have been very troubled for much of my life. It would be nice to sit down and talk to you sometime and swap stories, but, that just is not posable. The tone of your letters disturbs me because I have been there too. There are many things you can do for yourself if you want to. Sometimes when we get too deep in any one subject we loose our objectivity and need to talk to those that can help, often they that have nothing to do with the subject at hand, but know how to put things right again. I would encourage you to seek out a person like this. I don't know what all has happened between you and others on this forum, but I know that most everyone has nothing against you. If you have done things that are beyond the scope of this forum, they should be taken care of, and then see where that leads. Nothing may change but who knows. Troubled no more | ||
| unforgiven spirit |
The only crime I have done is the crime of being unforgiven by others. I forgive, yet I am unforgiven. | ||
| Once troubled |
Gary, There is only one that has needed to forgive you and He has already done it. All otherd don't matter. Troubled no more. | ||
| flatened spirit |
You are correct from my personal point of view, if I cared only about myself. Have I labored for the past year to usher just myself to the Kingdom? NO! I am forgiven by God the father because of the free give of Jesus, this is true, however: You see my pain is not my own. My pain is for the people that cannot forgive because they have an appointment with fire. Don't you see? These people claim I am their problem, so, in effect, I am sending them to hell, through their unforgivness. This is the load I shoulder, and I am flatened under the load. I am sorry that I have troubled you folks, yet I need prayers for everyone, everywhere that will not or cannot forgive. They will be lost to the fire should they choose to harbor sins against others. |
