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Chyna
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2000 - 2:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the thing that convinces me the most that Adventism is a cult is the deception involved. please help me ennumerate the things they hide from people they try to 'convert' into Adventism.
with love, Chyna
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1. Not right of the bat will they tell you they believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, a belief they share with the Jehovah's Witness

2. They also share the doctrine of soul sleep and hell is annihilation also culled from their connection with the Jehovah's Witnesses

3.They believe in a "National Sunday Law" that will be instituted and believe that Sabbath is the mark of the true church. they believe that End Times centers around whether you worship on Saturday or not.

4. If you are not an Adventist and a Christian, that is not good enough.

5. They have a prophetess they take on par with scripture. a false one at that who believed that masturbation caused sickness, that eating meat made you animalistic, that discouraged sex amongst married people, who talked to her dead husband in dreams and had a handsome young man spirit guide to aid her in her plagarized writings. the EGW estate has yet to prove that 20% of her writings are
original. the early church was founded on two great disappointments (they thought the end was at hand in 1843 AND 1844 thought they miscalculated the first time -oops)

they also won't tell you that EGW is the highest authority they have. above scripture, which is the most devastating truth about the Adventist church there is.

6. When missionaries go into the field, usually there is an agreement that they will go into different regions (unreached) so that the gospel will be spread more effectly. Adventists heed no such courtesy and often insert themselves where other missionaries are already set up

7. Adventist Bible Studies for Christians (nonAdventists) are generally directed on converting Christians into Adventists

Adventists highest goal is to get you to become an Adventist. not a Christian (not good enough), but an Adventist (is this starting to sound cult like to you? good)

8. They won't tell you that many regard them as a cult

9. If you are bewildered by Adventists, this is a common reaction :)

10. they have a law above any other law and that is Sabbath. this puzzles many people. especially when most Christians do not practice sabbath at all, yet this church/cult has made it the centerpiece of their denomination

11. The way Adventists have arrived at their aberrant doctrine is by presuppositions writing by their false prophet, and things called Bible Chains, quite easily seen in their bibles. they take one verse out of context, and another verse out of context to support their false doctrine.

"Other than these Bible chains, which are easily marked in his Bible,the average Adventist has very little foundation in the Bible itself. "
gregory hunt m.d. 'beware this cult'

12. Adventist practice social isolation by sending all their children to private schools from preschool to graduate schools, have strong preferences to hiring Adventists in all their institutions (please notice again Christian is not good enough, they need to be REGISTERED adventists with their names on the books)

13. Adventists are unhappy. who wouldn't be if you were living under law instead of grace? beneath the exterior of niceness is a whole kettle of problems which they constantly blind themselves too. i can only think that this is exhausting: emotionally, physically, and spiritually. also guilt is a constant part of their lives.

please add ;), as i only really know much about being an Adventist by outside observation
Max
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2000 - 5:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chyna,

Are you aware that there is a professional
female "wrestler" on TV "sports entertainment"
whose stage name is Chyna? In the ring
she's "evil," but I watched her interviewed by
Jay Leno on his "Tonight" show, and she
really seemed like a nice person.

The wrestling thing is just an act for which she
gets paid gigabux (she's very successful in
her career). So she's really just an actress
with muscles and not a sports wrestler at all.
Evidently on TV now "wrestling" isn't real.
Instead, it is theater with makeup, scripts,
directors 'n' everything.

In the church I attend, Trinity Evangelical Free
Church in Redlands, California the previous
pastor, a Dr. Poland, came back for a visit.
Since he left our pulpit he has become a
full-time missionary to Hollywood. He told
many stories of conversions to Christ -- Jane
Fonda being the most recent "big star" that I
remembered from his sermon.

I wonder if he'll ever reach Chyna. She seems
like such a nice person.

Thanks for listing SDA cultish ideas. Coming
from a never-has-been SDA, they're beginning
to sound a bit strange even to my lifelong SDA
"ears."

May the pillar of cloud by day and of fire by
night continue to lead you,

Max of the Cross
Chyna
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 1:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

max, i don't think anyone could mistake me for a professional wrestler, seeing that i'm 5'2 and 105#.

here's my latest thought:

Walter Martin and CRI did the Evangelicals and Adventists themselves a huge disfavor by reclassifying Adventism. The hugest sigh rose in my chest reading "To Adventist Friends" postings about how Walter Martin was interviewing with liberals that no longer influence the adventist church or are representative of the church's position. although Walter Martin did make clear that the Traditional Adventists (the majority of the church) leans greatly towards a more cultic definition, he didn't emphasize it (not enough to warn me off, sadly).

just reading these things makes my teeth ache, things like believing that EGW was as divinely inspired as the Bible.

you know, it's because of CRI research from the written accounts of Walter Martin, I went ahead into my relationship with my SDA boyfriend. because I firmly believed that Christians (as Walter Martin classified it as a heterodoxical Christian denom) understand God's love.

but you know what? they don't, or maybe they do, but to a limited extent. I was reading old posts by Steve as he was relating how his wife doesn't even think he's a Christian. Where is this based in? There is so much irrational, illogical, and unbiblical thinking in the Adventist church that's just continually propagated and indoctrinated into its members - and it makes my heart ache. and I can see how FAF'ers will read the current stuff that is out in the Adventist church and wince knowing that once they used to just eat and digest those lies. I, myself, have never once believed in those lies myself, but still I find it equally painful to read them because any assault to God's truth is an assault I feel at the core of me.

even just the simple notion that being Adventist is better than being just plain Christian. Well, wake up Adventists, what do you think the apostles of Christ were? EGW followers? the founding fathers of the church? that they were under 'the general conference?' no they were under God and God only. The Bible speaks vehemently against creating "second class Christians" but by Adventist rejection of other Christians it is a statement that attests to their feelings of superiority. and I know because I have been rejected for not being an Adventist when I knew I was doing nothing wrong. I was doing nothing wrong and my Adventist boyfriend still managed to make me feel like I was doing something wrong.

it all makes me angry (in a good and productive way). I don't care if people label Adventism a cult or not, but I definitely care that people know that there are cultic aspects and psychological factors involved if one gets involved with the SDA church.

in Him, Chyna
Chyna
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 1:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i am laughing and crying at the same time. from the watchman expositor on Adventist terminology:

́Coming into the Truthî (believing and living the full SDA message and lifestyle)
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 2:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear petite Chyna,

I'll bet you're prittier than "the wrestler" Chyna
as well, not that she's ugly. (I can say that
since I'm old enough to be your father.)

I think you're right about love being THE
defining quality of real Christianity.

I'm not discouraged about my SDA delusions
of the past. I was "there" because God so
willed me to be. And now I'm "here" because
of the same powerful will. It is so comforting to
feel that I've been in God's hands all my life.

Praising God for the great things he has in
store for you,

Max of the Cross

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