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Max
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 5:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

KJV Romans 6:1 What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may
abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to
sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were
baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into
his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism
into death: that like as Christ was raised up
from the dead by the glory of the Father, even
so WE ALSO SHOULD WALK IN NEWNESS
OF LIFE.

NIV: Just as Christ was raised from the dead
through the glory of the Father, WE TOO MAY
LIVE A NEW LIFE.

CEV: We were baptized, SO THAT WE WOULD
LIVE A NEW LIFE, as Christ was raised to life
by the glory of God the Father.
Patti
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 10:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

None of us "walks the walk." Not to the standard that has been set for us by Jesus Christ at any rate. Thank God, we have a Substitute who perfectly fulfilled all of the law for us!

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Max
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 11:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

KJV Romans 6:1 What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may
abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to
sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were
baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into
his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism
into death: that like as Christ was raised up
from the dead by the glory of the Father, even
so we also should walk in newness of life.
Max
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 2:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is there anybody on this web site who dares to
answer the question, "Shall we continue in
sin, that grace may abound?"
Patti
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Romans 3:7 Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"
8 Why not say--as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say--"Let us do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is deserved.
Max
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 2:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you, Patti.
Patti
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 2:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are welcome!
Rayna
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen, and Amen Patti!!!

Your friend, Rayna
Maryann
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Patti,

I'll be delighted to answer your questions that are in another thread above;-)

It will take a day or so as there are a couple other things taking my immediate time.

Maryann
Terry
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 11:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is my understanding that sin is living under the "Law" of the Old Covenant and breaking it...
1John 3:4,5

"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him (you and me); and he CANNOT sin, because he (you and me) is born of God." 1John 3:9

How can one born of God continue in sin so that grace may abound? Christ is the end of the "LAW" and the end of sin! In other words, if you believe in Jesus Christ as your saviour, then you are incapable of sinning! Your actions may represent the appearance of sin, but in God's eyes you aren't sinning, as He put sin away through His Son's life and death. Sin only exists to those who are unbelivers and those under the Law. (One and the same?)
Terry
Max
Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Terry,

Can a person delink or separate the
righteousness of Christ from the sinlessness
of Christ?

Especially when Scripture does not delink or
separate them?

"The law ... can never ... make perfect [sinless]
those who ... worship." Hebrews 10:1.

But,

"By one sacrifice he [Christ] has made perfect
[sinless] forever those who are being made
holy." Hebrews 10:14.

Now does one not deny Christ and his
sacrifice if s/he denies the truth of these two
Scriptures?

How can one say s/he is righteous by faith
alone but not sinless [perfect] by faith alone?

How can one claim the righteousness of
Christ by faith alone but not the sinlessness of
Christ by faith alone?

The righteousness of Christ = the perfection of
Christ = the sinlessness of Christ,
inseparable forever.

And it is the whole package -- righteousness /
perfection / sinlessness -- all of Christ alone
by my faith alone that I believe.

For, by one sacrifice Christ has made sinless
forever those who are being made holy.

This grace is real and pure and not entangled
with my own sinfullness / imperfection /
unrighteousness.

Nothing in my hand I bring, simply to the cross
I cling.

If I claim the righteousness of Christ by faith
alone, but not the sinlessness of Christ by
faith alone, then I am missing out on the
fullness of God's grace alone.

In God's love for you,

Max

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