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Rob
| | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 1999 - 12:33 pm: |     |
No Jtree, you cannot no produce apage love! Your love is tainted with selfishness. You're deceived by your own self-righteousness! And I thought Adventist were the only ones!?! |
Lynn W
| | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 1999 - 9:51 pm: | |
No one but Christ can PRODUCE agape love. The whole point of being a Christian is letting Christ shine that agape through you. If your not doing that, you got nothin' "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have Love for one another." Not, as we were taught, if you cook good vegetarian food or keep the Sabbath perfectly. Our purpose on this planet is LOVE. That is the only thing we can do for the Kingdom, it is the summation of all of God's law. It is however impossible to do in our own strength.
God wanted us to count on Him for our salvation so he set out to show us that we couldn't save ourselves. He gave us the 10 commandments as a list of "At least do this" The Pharisees thought they could do it so they made more laws,(to show God that they were really good) Then God sent Christ and He said, "Ok, you think you've got it here try this," "Blessed are the Peacemakers..." So then the early Christians thought they could do it and Paul said, Ok try this "Love is patient and Kind..."
Well maybe it didn't happen just like that, but I think when Paul says that the law is there to bring us to grace, this is what he is getting at. If God's not doing it through you it's not going to happen. We can't fake it, and even if we could succeed at keeping God's law perfectly we missed the point. HE WANTED US TO COUNT ON HIM FOR OUR SALVATION!!!
Oh and by the way my name is Pam. I'm a friend of Lynn Wunische and an ex-adventist of 3 years. |
Jtree
| | Posted on Sunday, September 26, 1999 - 3:12 am: | |
A PRAYER TO THE LORD
LORD i pray that you guide all people to the truth and protect them from the clutches of satan, LORD
give them the strength to reject any false teachings that come from the pit of hell, LORD protect their families protect their hearts and protect their minds, wash all who seek the truth with the BLOOD OF THE LAMB.
I pray this in JESUS name AMEN |
vicks
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 1999 - 6:32 am: | |
Here's where I am at with the SDA gals I am in fellowship with:
I have used the information on the SDAoutreach site, and they had an answer for every verse I brought up regarding the Sabbath. Also, re: EGW being a false teacher/prophet - they stand on what the SDA church says in regards to those statements - that they are false and there are people mad at the church just trying to tear it down. Also, it was the Catholic's fault that we are worshipping on Sunday and not the Sabbath. |
Colleentinker
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 1999 - 12:55 pm: | |
Hi, VickaóJust like many people who find identity and security in belonging to a group, many Adventists can't bring themselves to deal with the holes in their doctrines and beliefs. When we engage with these Adventists, our discussions about the problems in Adventism end in stalemates.
Only the Holy Spirit can make a person willing to know the truth. You can pray that the veil over your Adventist friends' hearts will be lifted so they can perceive truth and be receptive to it. You can also pray that they will be willing to risk being accountable for the truth as God reveals it. And you can invite them to read the Bible without the help of commentaries or EGW books, praying for the Holy Spirit to help them to read without any preset interpretations.
I believe that many are terrified of having to be accountable for the truth about ADventism because it gives them a structure that holds their lives together. I believe that many have deep hurts, habits, and sins that they can't overcome, and the clean, structured Adventist lifestyle gives them a sense of commitment to holiness under which they try to bury the pain and compulsions that they continually fight.
I believe that part of praying for our Adventist loved ones is praying that they will be accountable to the truth, whatever that includes. Part of the truth that we each have to face is consciously facing our sin and admitting how desperate we are. We have to be willing to open our secrets and shame to Jesus and let him wipe our hearts clean with his love.
Praise God! He is faithful, and he heals even our most intractable compulsions and searing wounds. |
Geneva
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 1999 - 12:02 pm: | |
Dear Vicks: I heartily agree with Colleen. In addition, remember your life's witness. Your joy in Christ because of your security in Him based on Him, not on your works, speaks volumes. Even though they may never say a word, that security and joy that you have is contagious. You have something that they don't have. Adventism is the most exquisite form of denial. It may take them a long time to notice, think about and wrestle with the difference between your life and theirs.
Also a caution about arguing. That is what we were "trained" to do as Adventists. We need to be careful, now that we are not Adventist, to not behave as Adventists! A wise woman once told me to just speak the truth. What I mean is this: One day I was working in an SDA hospital. Three of us were trying to start an IV on a patient. One nurse finally got the IV placed and said, "It's because it's the Sabbath." I said, "When you believe in Jesus, every day is Sabbath." It ilicited no response, but it was a seed that God can use later. |
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