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Max
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2000 - 10:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NEW STUDY: CAFFEINE IN COFFEE MAY
PREVENT PARKINSON'S DISEASE

Scientific researchers in Hawaii may have
discovered in coffee a natural medicine --
caffeine -- that helps prevent the dreaded
Parkinsonís disease.

THREE LARGE CUPS A DAY MAY
SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THE RISK of getting
Parkinson's. The study found that men who
drank at least 28 ounces a day were only 20%
as likely to get Parkinson's.

"It's really an amazing effect that something as
mundane as coffee could prevent this
disease," says Caroline M. Tanner, coauthor
of the paper published in the June 1, 2000
issue of JAMA (Journal of the American
Medical Association). Investigators followed
8,004 men from the island of Oahu over for 30
years. They interviewed the men in the 1960s
and '70s about their diets, then found found
and tracked the ones that got Parkinson's
disease.

Parkinsonís disease is a brain-degerating
disorder that afflicts about 1 million
Americans.

The study is made more convincing by the fact
that the research team controlled for possibly
confounding factors, such as age, cigarette
smoking, or whether the men drank the
beverage black or with cream and sugar.

THE SAME STUDY FOUND THAT
CHOCOLATE, CAFFEINATED TEA, AND COLA
ALSO HELPED FEND OFF PARKINSONíS
DISEASE.

Though preliminary, "This is a very provocative
study, done by very good people, but it has to
be looked into further," says Abraham
Lieberman, medical director of the National
Parkinson Foundation. "If you're not a coffee
drinker and suddenly you go out and drink four
to six cups a day, you'll probably get more
problems than benefits." Caffeine is not a
benign substance, he warns. It increases
gastric acid, affects sleeping patterns, and
makes ulcers bleed.

CAFFEINE MAY ACTUALLY PROTECT
AGAINST THE NERVE DAMAGE IN THE
BRAIN, damage that leads to Parkinson's
disease, the investigators say. It may actually
stimulate specific nerves to produce more
dopamine. Dopamine is a substance that is
deficient in people who have Parkinson's.

"PEOPLE WHO ARE DRINKING A LOT OF
COFFEE MAY ACTUALLY BE SELF-
MEDICATING,î says chief investigator
Dr. Webster Ross.

--Excerpted and adapted from report by
Rachel K. Sobel in June 5, 2000, U.S. News &
World Report
Allenette
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sheesh, it might also activate lazy SDA's !! (ggg)
who might actually use that as an excuse for lollygagging around, especially if they are SDA employees...EGW told me so (BWGGGGG) I hope that most on here realize that my posts on here are "seriously funny" (or not) but for sure not Heaven driven. You get there yourselves, ok???? No insurance involved ggg
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

According to Scripture people never reach
heaven by themselves.
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 2:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "COFFEE DRINKING IS A SIN"

"Coffee drinking is a sin, an injurious
indulgence, which, like other evils, injures the
soul. --Ellen G. white, Counsels on Diet and
Foods, p. 425, written in 1896.

"The indulgence of ... coffee ... is at war with
the laws of life and health. By using these
forbidden articles [tea, coffee, tobacco, liquor]
a condition of things is created in the system
which the Creator never designed. This
indulgence in any of the members of the
human family is sin." --Ellen G. White,
Evangelism, p. 266, written in 1899.
Billtwisse
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Deuteronomy 14:26:

Spend the money for whatever you desire, oxen, or sheep, or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves; and you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household.

Isaiah 25:6

On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of fat things, a feast of wine on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wine on the lees and well refined.

What year will it be from?!

As to coffee, it was discovered around 500 A.D.-- so the Bible does not refer to it. How could ancient man stand the headaches caused by wine without coffee to relieve them?

As for me, when I started drinking coffee regularly at age 28--the horrible pounding tension headaches I had suffered nearly every day of my life (not caused by wine, of course!) departed & have never returned.

What a lousy habit!

--Twisse
Cindy
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bill, I "discovered" coffee in college at 18 years old, so there's been many, many years between. Anyway,I used to buy only the "instant" kind for my home; but a few years ago, I actually bought a coffee pot to set on the counter! This was always considered too "sinful" in the society I came from... :-))

Grace always,
Cindy
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cindy,

For your next step buy:

1. A coffee bean grinder.

2. A drip coffee brewing system.

3. The freshest beans you can get.

Then store the beans unground in your freezer
and only grind as many as you are going to
brew at one time, even as little as a single
cup. Grind your own. Drip-brew them. And
enjoy!

You'll soon become a fanatic the likes of
which even a seasoned Seattle citizen would
envy.

Incidentally, have you attended the Seattle
Rain Festival yet? I'll give you the dates next
post.
Cindy
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Max, Thanks for the advice and instructions! I can almost smell and taste that coffee brewing! :-))

I hadn't heard of the Seattle Rain Festival. Sounds interesting!

I did go to a Mariners/Yankees game back in August at the new retractable roof Safeco Field stadium...and it was raining...

Not being a real sports fan, I had only consented to go since I wanted to see Mt. Rainier and Seattle again after a number of years; and it was a very sunny and clear...until we started north, when the clouds came in and the drizzle started!

The drive up from Portland was dreary and the game was long! :-))

Grace always,
Cindy
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seattle Rain Festival
Everyone welcome!
Begins January 1
Ends December 31
Every year!

Oooo Emerald City,
how I miss you!
Your misty hills at first light.
Your green-draped overpasses.
Your wet street hilltops.
Your cozy coffee shops
and news stands warm
while the whole Pacific Ocean
hangs in the sky outside.
Your Alaskan Copper River
salmon dinners in spring.
Your view of Mt. Ranier's
rosy snowy hide at sunset
from the Space Needle.
Your ferrys to Olympia's mountains,
to Victoria's old-world shops
and Bouchard Gardens.
I'm coming back to you.
I just convinced myself.
Cindy
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Max, I thought you were serious about a Seattle Rain Festival! :-)) That was funny...

I liked your poetry! Did you used to live in Seattle? You've got the places described right!

I just heard yesterday that MONEY magazine ranked Portland as the best city to live in! We even get the rain like Seattle!

Grace always,
Cindy
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Cindy,

Yes, I lived there for a few weeks as a newly
hired editor for a medical publishing company
that had decided to move to Walla Walla.
Needless to say I was devastated. But even
after the move I drove the beautiful 4-hour
dirve over the Cascade Mountains to visit as
often as I could. I had a number of friends
there. Also, my work took me there, for the
Seattle airport was the point of departure for
my job trips.

I also loved Portland and went there as often
as I could too.
Valm
Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 8:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Friends, Living in the Seattle area I can attest to you that there has been a glorious delay of the rain fest. This fall has been dry and the colors are like I have never seen since moving here. This is the first season in 11 years I get to rake dry leaves, which we will finish up this weekend. If any of you ever come to visit our fair city, please let me know, I love to make dinner and have an awesome pork chop recipie, my husband says not bad for an Adventist. HA.

Allenette, Do you have a sense of humor I must get used to or are you an Adventist who checks in now and then to liven things up? If you are an Adventist, I still welcome your comments because they do truely liven things up.

Regarding coffee, many people with undiagnosesdADHD are avid coffee drinkers as a way of self medicating. I know this because my son suffers with ADHD and if we forget his meds before we leave for the day we do not hesitate to find the nearest Tully's or Starbucks.

As with anything, excessive use is not a good thing, but in moderation has a purpose in life. Sinful? I should hope not, isn't it a part of God's creation and doesn't God give us the common sense to use it properly?

I hope every one has as glorious day as I will. First the soccer fields and then the rake. All in sunshine and briskly cool weather. Valerie
Cindy
Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 9:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Valerie! You're in Seattle! Not too far away! I agree, it's been a beautiful fall...the colors staying longer that they do in the East; and against the evergreens, they are gorgeous. And the Mountains!! Mt Hood's new snowfall is magnificent!

I was here, just "visiting", for six weeks in August and September and so much sunshine, it was great! Moved here in October and have experienced some of the continuing drizzle for some days at a time...but I guess that's what you put up with for the beauty when the sun shines. My son thinks the rain is even awesome!

As far as the PORK chops, I'm not sure I could stomach those! :-)) I can't even eat other meat; just seeing those cute little lambs' and nice cows' faces when I bite down into meat makes me queasy... I love animals!

But... my family members who DO eat meat remind me of my totally inconsistent, ridiculous thinking in this--as I sit on my much-loved white LEATHER sofa! And wear my leather shoes, etc....

Grace always,
Cindy
Valm
Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 12:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cindy, I also make a great pasta with artichoke and ricotta cheese amongst other veggie meals. I am quite eclectic in my cooking. So let me know if ;you and your family are in town. Valerie
Cindy
Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 12:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Valerie, That pasta sounds wonderful! I love pasta and vegetables! And cheese! :-))

My older son used to work at this great Italian restaurant and would bring home various menu items. There was a very good one with artichokes in it! And there was one with PORK, too... (proccietto?) and jalapeno peppers! It was very good (and hot/spicy!); he would have it made for me without the ham!:-))

I kind of hate to admit it, being a woman, but I hate cooking!! If I had the resources, I would enjoy going out to eat all the time!

I always have loved the story of Mary and Martha in the Bible--knowing where I would be in that story...NOT in the kitchen preparing the food, but out listening and talking with the Guest!!

Fortunately now, we can get the men in the kitchen and we can all talk and let the better cooks kind of "take over". I can do simple chopping and stirring.... :-)) :-))

Grace always,
Cindy
Loneviking
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 5:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coffee drinking a sin? I'm glad EGW is not the final arbiter of my fate! I'm an asthamtic and a Resp. Therapist and I can tell you that coffee is good for folks with lung problems. The first generation of asthma medications (including Theophylline) were developed from coffee. Most COPD'ers will tell you that coffee loosens the junk up in their lungs and makes it easier to breath. So, pass me another cup............
Cindy
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 6:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Morning Loneviking! Interesting about coffee's effects on your lungs...as I sit here "loosening the junk up". :-))

And it is a RELIEF to realize that EGW is NOT the final authority on our eternal fate, isn't it!? (and on so many other issues, more complex and guilt-inducing than this!)

Grace always,
Cindy
Loneviking
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And another--ahem! Sinful! way of loosing up the junk is hot sauce and hot peppers. I have my EGW books packed away but I seem to remember something about these peppers being evil things that incite 'animal passions'. Guess I'm lucky I escaped with only three kids huh?

No guilt for me from anything out of those 'little red books'............
Valm
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 2:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If any one knows where that passage is I'd like to know. My parents who follow alot of natural remedies put chili in alot of things because of its medicinal merits.
Denisegilmore
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 6:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Valerie,
I don't know if this is what you are seeking but in egws book 'Counsels on Diet and Foods' page 345, paragraph 1, you will find some interesting things. The Chapter title is 'Condiments etc'.
God Bless,
Denise
P.S. Also there is another called Ellen White on Various Topics (unless that is just how the editors named a chapter). Check it out as well. Almost any topic you want to research is there. I will look for the web address again and send your way.

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