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Denisegilmore
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Valerie,
type in your search www.ellenwhite.com and you can read many of her books with a host of topics.
Happy reading..:))
God Bless,
Denise
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Condiments are injurious in their nature.
Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other
things of a like character, irritate the stomach
and make the blood feverish and impure. The
inflamed condition of the drunkard's stomach
is often pictured as illustrating the effect of
alcoholic liquors. A similarly inflamed
condition is produced by the use of irritating
condiments."

--EGW, Counsels on Diet and Foods, p.339.
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"On my frequent journeys across the
continent, I do not patronize restaurants,
dining car, or hotels, for the simple reason
that I cannot eat the food there provided. The
dishes are highly seasoned with salt and
PEPPER, creating an almost intolerable thirst.
. .
. They would irritate and inflame the delicate
coating of the stomach."

--EGW, CDF 339
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other
things of a like character, irritate the stomach
and make the blood feverish and impure."

--EGW, "By Faith I Live," p. 231
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other
things of a like character, irritate the stomach
and make the blood feverish and impure. The
inflamedcondition of the drunkard's stomach
is often pictured as illustrating the effect of
alcoholic liquors. A similarly inflamed
condition is produced by the use of irritating
condiments."

--EGW, "Ministry of Healing," p. 325
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"While we were in the depot, a red-faced,
bloated farmer came into the restaurant
connected with it, and in a loud, rough voice
asked, "Have you first-class brandy?" He was
answered in the affirmative, and ordered half a
tumbler. "Have you pepper sauce?" "Yes," was
the answer. "Well, put in two large spoonfuls."
He next ordered two spoonfuls of alcohol
added, and concluded by calling for "a good
dose of BLACK PEPPER." The man who was
preparing it asked, "What will you do with such
a mixture?" He replied, "I guess that will take
hold," and placing the full glass to his lips,
drank the whole of this fiery compound. Said
my husband, "That man has used stimulants
until he has destroyed the tender coats of the
stomach. I should suppose that they must be
as insensible as a burnt boot."

--EGW, "Temperance," p. 95
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"On my frequent journeys across the
continent, I do not patronize restaurants,
dining-cars, or hotels, for the simple reason
that I cannot eat the food there provided. The
dishes are highly seasoned with salt and
PEPPER, creating an almost intolerable thirst.
. . . They irritate and inflame the delicate
coating of the stomach. . . . Such is the food
that is commonly served upon fashionable
tables, and given to the children. Its effect is to
cause NERVOUSNESS, and to create THIRST
WHICH WATER DOES NOT QUENCH . . . .
Food should be prepared in as simple a
manner as possible, free from condiments
and spices, and even from an undue amount
of salt. -- R. and H., 1883, No. 44."

--EGW, "Healthful Living," p. 92
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The less exciting the food, the better.
Condiments are injurious in their nature.
Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other
things of a like character irritate the stomach
and make the blood feverish and impure."

--EGW, "Testimony Studies on Diet and
Foods," page 128.
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"While upon the cars, I heard parents remark
that the appetites of their children were
delicate, and unless they had meat and cake,
they could not eat. When the noon meal was
taken, I observed the quality of food given to
these children. It was fine wheaten bread,
sliced ham coated with BLACK PEPPER,
spiced pickles, cake, and preserves. The pale,
sallow complexion of these children plainly
indicated the abuses the stomach was
suffering. Two of these children observed
another family of children eating cheese with
their food, and they lost their appetite for what
was before them, until their indulgent mother
begged a piece of the cheese to give to her
children, fearing the dear children would fail to
make out their meal. The mother remarked,
My children love this or that, so much, and I let
them have what they want; for the appetite
craves the kinds of food the system requires."

--EGW, "The Health Reformer," December 1,
1870, paragraph 7.
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Children should be educated to habits of
temperance, even while in their mother's
arms. Our tables should bear only the most
wholesome food, free from every IRRITATING
SUBSTANCE. The appetite for liquor is
encouraged by the preparation of food with
CONDIMENTS and SPICES. These cause a
feverish state of the system, and drink is
demanded to allay the irritation. On my
frequent journeys across the continent, I do
not patronize restaurants, dining-cars, or
hotels, for the simple reason that I cannot eat
the food there provided. The dishes are highly
seasoned with salt and PEPPER, creating an
almost intolerable THIRST. During my last trip,
the conductor of the sleeping-car kindly
brought me a plate of rich vegetable soup. I
tasted the apparently inviting dish, but found it
so highly SEASONED that I dared not eat it.
The salt and PEPPER made my mouth smart,
and I well knew that they would IRRITATE and
INFLAME the delicate coating of the
STOMACH. I passed the tempting dish to
another; for I dared not place such an ABUSE
upon my DIGESTIVE ORGANS."

--EGW, "Second Advent Review and Sabbath
Herald," November 6, 1883, paragraph 27
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"If we are the servants of Christ, we must fight
against the EVILS of this degenerate age.
While lawlessness of all kinds is sweeping
over our world like a flood, we must take a
decided stand on the REQUIREMENTS of the
Bible, or we shall be swept away into MORAL
and physical RUIN. We must have moral
strength to place ourselves, with firm
determination, in opposition to the iniquity that
abounds, or we shall be overcome. It is our
privilege to understand the laws of this
wonderful structure, the human habitation, that
God has given us. Mind and body should be
preserved in the best possible state of health
that we may take up our work in the world. I
know that much can be done toward building
up a good condition of health. I have had five
shocks of paralysis, and God, in his mercy,
has raised me up, to take my place in the work
he has given me to do, and to try to benefit
others by my experience. Light was given me,
and I saw the reason for my feeble health. I
was astonished that I had so long remained
in ignorance in regard to the laws of life. My
habits were out of harmony with the conditions
that are necessary to health. My food had not
been of a proper kind to give vitality and
strength to the system. It was highly
SEASONED, and STIMULATING rather than
nutritious. The physicians said that I might die
at any time, and I resolved that if I died, I would
die in attempting to correct my injurious habits
of life. I resolved to place myself on a platform
of strictest temperance. I did not use TEA or
COFFEE or any kind of intoxicating wine or
liquor, so I did not have these habits to
overcome; but I had used flesh and SPICES,
eating hearty meals three times a day. I had to
educate myself to enjoy the simple, healthful
grains and fruits that God has provided for the
wants of man. But I found that all the sacrifice I
had to make was doubly repaid in renewed
health of body and mind. I had used PEPPER
and MUSTARD in my diet; but these SHOULD
NOT BE PUT INTO THE HUMAN STOMACH."

--EGW, The Signs of the Times, February 17,
1888, paragraph 5
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Paul is a boy who has good qualities as well
as objectionable traits of character. His EVIL
traits have been cultivated and indulged rather
than restrained. You have not taught him the
sinfulness of a sullen, stubborn disposition,
and firmly restrained this growing EVIL, and
even in the expression of his countenance
your indulgence is leaving its mould. The
impressions made in youth are most abiding,
and early life is the best time to cultivate
correct habits. Paul has been encouraged to
be exacting and particular in his diet at the
table, but you should set the food before him,
and never allow him to turn from it in disdain,
calling for something that you have not
provided. He may cherish his exacting habits
in regard to his diet, until he shall be
disagreeable to himself and all connected
with him. If he were obliged to labor according
to his strength, hunger would give him a relish
for his food and remove his murmuring.
Decided measures should be taken in this
matter. I love this son of yours; he can be
moulded in the right way, for if properly trained
he will respond after a time. You should never
allow your children to find fault with their food,
to murmur because SPICE, PEPPER,
PICKLES, and CONDIMENTS are not placed
before them. ... The mark for good or EVIL
made upon the characters of your children is
not written in the sand, but is traced as on
enduring rock.

--EGW, Testimonies on the Case of Elder E.
P. Daniels, page 18, paragraph 1
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I have not had, to my knowledge, a particle of
PEPPER in the house for ten years."

--EGW, Manuscript Releases Volume Fifteen,
page 246, paragraph 3
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^^If in the spring of the year we felt languor
(really the result of consuming so much fat
and flesh meats during the winter), we
resorted to sharp PICKLES, HORSERADISH,
MUSTARD, PEPPER, and the like, to "sharpen
the appetite" and tone up the system. We
naturally expected a "poor spell" in the spring
before we could get newly grown vegetables.--
Medical Missionary , December, 1899 (see
also SHM, p. 24).^^

--Ellen G. White, "Further Steps Toward Health
Reform," The Progressive Years 1862-1876,
Volume 2, page 298, paragraph 4
Max
Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"It is to be noticed that BUTTER, grease of all
kinds, TEA, COFFEE, SPICE, PEPPER,
GINGER, and NUTMEG were wholly
DISCARDED in the cookery and were not in
use on the tables.

--Ellen G. White, "Restructuring for a Sound
Future," Volume 2 of The Progressive Years
1862-1876, page 327, paragraph 8
Valm
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 6:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thats alot of quotes on condiments. Of interest in your quotes is that in one of the quotes she ate these things to sharpen up the appetite and tone up the system? And in the others she condemned their usage. That is a suprise to me.

I think the pepper she is refering to is peppercorns which come from the pepper tree and is entirely different from chilis. Loneviking were you refering to chilis or peppercorns?

The many passages you shared with me Max brought back memories of how exhausting it can be to find something to eat when out. WORK WORK WORK..........
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Valerie,

Hope you're having an easier time when
eating out these days.

I don't know about Loneviking, but Ellen White
evidently didn't distinguish between black
pepper and chili pepper.

For whether or not a certain food item should
be eaten, her sole criterion seems to be
pungency or spiciness. Her overriding
question was, Is the item stimulating to the
system? Does it irritate the "delicate lining" of
the digestive tract? Does it raise a "thirst that
cannot be quinched with water"?

If the item -- such as the "dried blackberries"
her husband, James, loved -- wasn't pungent,
but was rather "bland" or "mild," then it might
possibly be "wholesome."

But if it was pungent, then she would rail
about it being unhealthful as well as morally
wrong, sinful and evil.

I don't believe she ever used the term "chili" in
any of her published writings. But I do believe
she would -- like the general public of her day
-- not distinguish between "chilis" and
"peppercorns" even though they are made
from the fruits of plants from entirely different
genera and species.

Notice, too, that she condemned and forbade
all "spice" -- horseradish, mustard, ginger and
nutmeg and pickles. Even tea and coffee she
classified as stimulants.

The only thing that all the angel-condemned
condiments have in common is that they
"stimulate" the system, and THAT is what's
evil and bad according to her angel.

"If we are the servants of Christ, we must fight
against the EVILS of this degenerate age.
While lawlessness of all kinds is sweeping
over our world like a flood, we must take a
decided stand on the REQUIREMENTS of the
Bible, or we shall be swept away into MORAL
and physical RUIN. We must have moral
strength to place ourselves, with firm
determination, in opposition to the iniquity that
abounds, or we shall be overcome."

--EGW, The Signs of the Times, February 17,
1888, paragraph 5.

Incidentally, Ellen angel's ideas about the
lining of the stomach being "delicate" are
unscientific. Stomach acid is about as strong
as battery acid, and the stomach is lined with
a mucous membrane that protects the protein
walls of the cells that line it.

Have you ever read Ronald Number's ELLEN
WHITE: A PROPHETESS OF HEALTH? It's a
great read.

Wishing you a great Thanksgiving dinner with
all your "folks,"

Max
Maryann
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had an extreme SDA friend that had an interesting method of testing food! He said that if it didn't burn the eye, it was suitable for the stomach as the stomach was a delicate organ. He said that pepper really burned the eye, therefore it was harmful!

I have always wondered why most good SDA's had cayenne pepper in the house?

I was raised with thew notion that all pepper, whether pepper corns or peppers,were sinful with the exception of the medicinally good cayenne.

Hmmmmmm, hunt and choose?

Maryann
Lydell
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shortly after we joined the SDA's, I was invited to a ladies' "Bible study". I was excited because I deeply missed the Bible study I had been attending at our Baptist church. Well, surprise! The "Bible" they were studying that night was "Counsels on Diet". And the "spiritual truths" I came away with were that meat, pepper, cinnamon, mayo, mustard, shortening, butter, white flour, white sugar, milk with sugar, and geez I forget what all, were evil. In hindsight I have to wonder why I didn't head straight for home and get in my hubby's face and tell him NEVER AGAIN would I go back there.

You know, for me that "study" ranked right up there with going to "sabbath school" for the first time and being invited to go into the "Cradle Roll" class. Well, thank you so very much! My baby was less than two months old. (When you consider that he was born two months premature, you have to figure that he shouldn't have any age on him at all! ha)

He slept constantly. But I was assured most warmly that it would be so wonderful for him to "get used to being in a class, and he would learn so much!". The heck with the parent who is closed up 24 hours a day with a premature infant and a 4 year old. Spiritual food? Why would an adult need that?

SDAland was a very strange place. Thank the Lord for freedom!
Denisegilmore
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 2:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well let's not forget 'vinegar'. That too, was off limits. Hot peppers such as jalpeno (sp) and pickles are supposedly bad.
Crazy..
God Bless all,
Denise
P.S. Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy all foods.

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