| Author | Message | ||
| Max |
^^You say again, "They are not educated in regard to the injurious effects of MEAT eating and of using SUGAR and VINEGAR, TEA and COFFEE. That is, they depend for their herb drink on tea from China and coffee from Java. These things are INJURIOUS and DELETERIOUS to the human system. Tea and coffee are stimulants and POISONS, and their effects have been presented before them."^^ --Ellen G. White, "Health Reform Principles," Manuscript Releases, Volume Twenty, page 2, paragraph 4. | ||
| Max |
""Do not eat largely of SALT, avoid the use of PICKLES and SPICED FOODS ... and the irritation that calls for so much drink at mealtime will largely disappear." --Ellen G. White, "Counsels on Diet and Foods," page 311, paragraph 2, from (1905) M.H. 305 | ||
| Max |
EGW: DESSERT SHOULD NOT BE MADE "As to the many dishes for DESSERT for which we have recipes, I have no light in regard to them except that they should not be made. We want decided reforms among reformers. We feel the necessity of this matter most deeply. But I am not as well as usual...." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Fifteen, page 53, paragraph 1. From Letter 104, 1899. Ellen G. White Estate Washington, D. C. May 2, 1985. | ||
| Max |
EGW: NO THANKSGIVING TURKEY! "Those who digress occasionally to gratify the taste in eating a fattened turkey or other flesh meats, pervert their appetites.... They are controlled by taste, not by principle." --Ellen G. White, Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 399, paragraph 1 | ||
| Max |
"CAKES, sweet PUDDINGS, PASTRIES, JELLIES, JAMS, are active causes of indigestion. Especially harmful are the CUSTARDS and puddings in which milk, eggs, and sugar are the chief ingredients. The free use of MILK AND SUGAR TAKEN TOGETHER [icecream?] should be avoided." --Ellen G. White, Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 113, paragraph 1. Chapter Title: Physiology of Digestion, Sugar and Milk, 1905 M.H. 302, 191., Ellen G. White Estate | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Diseases of every stripe and type have been brought upon human beings by the use of TEA AND COFFEE AND THE NARCOTICS, OPIUM, AND TOBACCO. These hurtful indulgences must be given up, NOT ONLY ONE, BUT ALL; for ALL are hurtful, and ruinous to the PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL POWERS, and should be discontinued from a health standpoint. THE COMMON USE OF THE FLESH OF DEAD ANIMALS HAS HAD A DETERIORATING INFLUENCE UPON THE MORALS AS WELL AS THE PHYSICAL CONSTITUTION. Ill health in a variety of forms, if effect could be traced to the cause, WOULD REVEAL THE SURE RESULT OF FLESH EATING. MS-22-1887 Educate the Sick. page 221 The Creator of man has arranged the living machinery of our bodies. Every function is wonderfully and wisely made. AND GOD PLEDGED HIMSELF TO KEEP THIS HUMAN MACHINERY IN HEALTHFUL ACTION IF THE HUMAN AGENT WILL OBEY HIS LAWS AND COOPERATE WITH GOD. EVERY LAW GOVERNING THE HUMAN MACHINERY IS TO BE CONSIDERED JUST AS TRULY DIVINE IN ORIGIN, IN CHARACTER, AND IN IMPORTANCE AS THE WORD OF GOD. Every careless, inattentive action, any abuse put upon the Lord's wonderful mechanism, by disregarding His SPECIFIED LAWS IN THE HUMAN HABITATION, IS A VIOLATION OF GOD'S LAW. MS-3-1897 Early Teaching of Physiology. page 221 | ||
| Max |
EGW: MEAT, BUTTER, CHEESE, SPICES MAKE PERFECTION IMPOSSIBLE "It is IMPOSSIBLE for those who give the reins to appetite to attain to Christian perfection. ... Many a mother sets a table that is a snare to her family. Flesh MEATS, BUTTER, CHEESE, rich PASTRY, SPICED foods, and CONDIMENTS are freely partaken of by both old and young." --Ellen G. White, Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 236, paragraph 2. From Foods Especially Injurious to Children [C.T.B.H. 46, 47] (1890) C.H. 114 | ||
| Denisegilmore |
It has been clearly presented to me that GOD'S PEOPLE ARE TO TAKE A FIRM STAND AGAINST MEAT EATING. Would God for THIRTY YEARS GIVE HIS PEOPLE THE MESSAGE THAT IF THEY DESIRE TO HAVE PURE BLOOD AND CLEAR MINDS, THEY MUST GIVE UP THE USE OF FLESH MEAT, IF HE DID NOT WANT THEM TO HEED THIS MESSAGE? By the use of flesh meat, THE ANIMAL NATURE IS STRENGTHENED AND THE SPIRITUAL NATURE WEAKENED. Such men as you, who are engaged in the MOST SOLEMN AND IMPORTANT WORK EVER INTRUSTED TO HUMAN BEINGS, need to give special heed to what they eat. Remember that when you EAT FLESH MEAT, YOU ARE BUT EATING GRAINS AND VEGETABLES SECONDHAND; for the animal receives from these things the nutrition that makes it grow and prepares it for market. The life that was in the grains and vegetables passes into the animal, and becomes part of its life, and then human beings eat the animal. WHY ARE THEY SO WILLING TO EAT THEIR FOOD SECONDHAND?... THE THOUGHT OF KILLING ANIMALS TO BE EATEN IS IN ITSELF REVOLTING. IF MAN'S NATURAL SENSE HAD NOT BEEN PERVERTED BY THE INDULGENCE OF APPETITE, HUMAN BEINGS WOULD NOT THINK OF EATING THE FLESH OF ANIMALS. Appeal to a Minister F-48-1902 page 278 | ||
| Max |
EGW: "THE THOUGHT OF KILLING ANIMALS TO BE EATEN IS IN ITSELF REVOLTING" If this is so, then what about the killing of animals to be WORN as in leather boots, shoes, belts, jackets, hats, gloves, etc? Or CARRIED as in purses, wallets, briefcases, etc? Or RESTED ON as in leather couches, lazyboys, footstools, etc? Or UTILIZED in other ways as in leather buggy whips? When Ellen White rode in train coaches cross continent, why didn't she just REFUSE to sit upon the well tanned animal hide even as she refused to ingest the well done animal flesh? Or maybe she did ingest the meat as well as sit upon the seat..... Does anyone know? Any historians out there lurking? Ron Graybill? Ron Numbers? Question: Did Ellen White ever fully and finally give up eating the flesh of dead animals? Oysters? Chicken? Will we ever know for sure? Max of the Cross Ps: Anyone out there have any ideas of how the remains of dead animals are utilized in our society by vegans and other vegetarians? Antler-handled eating utensils? Coffee -- er, POSTUM -- tables whose tops are inlaid with mother-of-pearl? | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Oh Max, this is rich. Thank you, I needed a good laugh and I too, anxiously await for answers. God Bless you, Denise | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Max, I did read somewhere, in egws own writing that a Catholic woman pointed out to egw the horror of eating meat. I'll try to find that again. Infact, according to sister ellen, this is when she herself decided not to eat meat. Something to that effect. Again, I will try to find that to be sure and put her own words here. God Bless, Denise | ||
| Max |
Looking forward to it, Denise. Meanwhile I'll be back in a bit with more from EGW on the use of dead animals in her day and ours. | ||
| Max |
EGW: DRINK TEA? YOU'LL "FEEL THE NEED" FOR DRUGS! "Those who persist in the use of tea, coffee, and flesh meats will feel the need of drugs." --Ellen G. White, Health, Philanthropic, and Medical Missionary Work, page 43, paragraph 1. From the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: EAT POULTRY, DIE WITH FLESH BETWEEN TEETH "When they [the ancients] murmured against their heaven-appointed food [bread of heaven or mana] and asked for flesh, God sent them quails; but the consequence of their rebellion were speedily felt. They ate to excess of the meat thus provided, and while the FLESH was yet between their TEETH many of them died. Our people would do well to study this experience of the children of Israel, and learn the lesson that it teaches." --Ellen G. White, Spalding and Magan Collection, page 419, paragraph 1. From the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: EAT MEAT? YOU HAVE GROSS, PERVERTED TASTE! "God did not provide for the flesh of dead animals to compose the diet for man. It is a gross, perverted taste that will accept such food. To think of dead flesh rotting in the stomach is revolting." --Ellen G. White, Spalding and Magan Collection, page 81, paragraph 5. From the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: FOOD MIX IN STOMACH CAUSES DISEASE "....by placing several kinds of food in the stomach at one meal, they [Loma Linda physicians] were causing disease which was not attributed to the food eaten...." --Ellen G. White, Spalding and Magan Collection, page 40, paragraph 1. From the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Valm |
My husband told me that we are eating vegetarian turkey this year as the turkey was a vegetarian. By the way after reading all of this I felt like the part in the GRINCH story where he even took the roast beast................ Enjoy whatever feast you will be having tomorrow. VAL | ||
| Max |
EGW: RAW FLESH OFFENSIVE TO ALL NOT DEPRAVED BY UNNATURAL APPETITES What is more repulsive to the sense of smell than a shop where flesh meats are kept for sale? The smell of the raw flesh is offensive to all whose senses have not been depraved by culture of the unnatural appetites. What more unpleasant sight to a reflective mind than the beasts slain to be devoured? --Ellen G. White, The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters, page 360, paragraph 3. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: MEAT STIMULATES THE LOWER ANIMAL PASSIONS [aphrodisiacal?] "[Flesh] diet contaminates the blood of their veins, and stimulates the lower animal passions. It enfeebles keen perception and vigor of thought to the understanding of God and the truth, and a knowledge of themselves." --Ellen G. White, The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters, page 165, paragraph 3. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: GOD SAYS "NO; DECIDEDLY NO" TO MEAT "The meat diet is the serious question. Shall human beings live on the flesh of dead animals? The answer, from the light that God has given is, No; decidedly no." --Ellen G. White, The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters, page 162, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan |
