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Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: MEAT DETERIORATES MORALS

"The common use of the flesh of dead
animals has had a deteriorating influence
upon the morals...."

--Ellen G. White, The Paulson Collection of
Ellen G. White Letters, page 22, paragraph 2.
Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White
Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien
Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW CONFESSON: SHE EATS MEAT!

"....I was at times at or in places where I was
compelled to eat a little meat. But for many
years not a morsel of the flesh of dead
animals has passed my lips."

--Ellen G. White, The Paulson Collection of
Ellen G. White Letters, page 1, paragraph 8.
Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White
Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien
Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: GOD'S PEOPLE EXCLUDE MILK

The ... milk of cows will also be excluded from
the diet of God's commandment keeping
people."

--Ellen G. White, The Kress Collection, page
32, paragraph 4. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "If any physician prescribes meat for
you, say No."

--Ellen G. White, The Kress Collection, page
21, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Flesh-meat animalizes the nature."

-- Ellen G. White, Sermons and Talks Volume
Two, page 196, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the
Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: Flesh eating "creates nine-tenths of
[the] disease in our world."

Manuscript Releases Volume Twenty, page
374, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: Conditions at
St. Helena Health Retreat. Courtesy of the
Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: FLESHLY LUST = MEAT APPETITE

"If our appetites clamor for the flesh of dead
animals, it is a necessity to fast and pray for
the Lord to give His grace to deny fleshly lusts
which war against the soul."

--Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases
Volume
Twenty, page 105, paragraph 3. Chapter Title:
Seek God's Will; Distrust Self; Adopt Health
Principles. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White
Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews
University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Maryann
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Max,

You quoted EWG:

"To think of dead flesh rotting in the
stomach is revolting."

So that is where mom got her big guns about "rotting flesh!"

I was out of SDAism 3 years before I could let a peice of "rotting flesh" pass between my lips! That concept was deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply ingrained in me!

The phrase, "dead animal" was really pounded in my head too!

There are still many who are released from the bondage of SDAism, yet can't eat meat because of the "rotting flesh" syndrome! Next veggie person I see, I'll tell them they (he) suffers from RF syndrome! He he he he!;-)

Maryann
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maryann,

Ever consider the possibility that maybe Mom
was denying something that was within
herself and projecting ("sticking") it onto you?
That's a very common human failing, you
know.

Max
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: PLANTS NOT DEAD WHEN EATEN,
BUT ANIMALS ARE

"That which is dead should ever be regarded
as unfit for food. We shun the dead bodies of
animals, because they are repulsive to us,
while at the same time we prepare their flesh
for our tables. There is no good reason for our
doing this. We should learn that fruits, grains,
and vegetables can be so skillfully and
tastefully prepared that they will be chosen
before any preparation of meat."

--Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume
Seventeen, page 43, paragraph 1. Chapter
Title: Week of Prayer in San Francisco; Visit to
an SDA Vegetarian Restaurant. Courtesy of
the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial
Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW EATS LIVE FISH, NOT DEAD

"Two years ago I came to the conclusion that
there was danger in using the flesh of dead
animals, and since then I have not used meat
at all. It is never placed on my table. I use fish
when I can get it."

--Ellen G.White, Manuscript Releases Volume
Fourteen, page 330, paragraph 2. Chapter
Title: The Responsibilities of Helpers in Ellen
White's Australian Home. Courtesy of
the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial
Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan
Maryann
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Max again:-)

Yeh, the projecting job was well done on me!

Come to think of it, that is what gives so many cults their power. If they can't project or stick onto the unsuspecting, where would they get their followings?

Then, I guess, fear is the biggest thing being "stuck" to the unsuspecting making it nearly impossible for them to be "suspecting." Fear keeps one from doing many things. Just look at how fear kept me from seeing Jim before he died! Hmmmm, I guess I had a good "project" stuck onto me!

Maryann
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maryann,

The cultic mentality does seem to be driven by
unconscious fear.

In the case of our SDA friends, not fear that
Jesus won't come, but fear that he WILL come
and find them unready.

I mean, what good is all that avoidance of
beefsteak and red wine and shunning of
swimming on Sabbath if you're still not ready
when he gets here and zaps you anyway with
the laser "brightness of his coming"?

Better far that he stays away. But then there's
all that angst about what happens after you
die. Where's my ticket to heaven?

The flood is coming and SDA not in ark of
safety!

The summer is past and the harvest is in the
barn and SDA not saved! Run to the rock!

SDA: "Rock, won't you hide me?"

Rock: "Afraid not, O SDA sinnerman! You have
to stand before the All-Consuming-Fire, aka
God, WITHOUT a Mediator! Sorry about that."

And the mind that is not "bewitched"
(Galatians 3:1) can only inquire, Where's the
good news in so hideous a nightmare?

Max of the Cross
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: MEAT CAUSES "SELF-POLLUTION,"
OTHER "REVOLTING SINS" IN YOUTH

".... passion will drive the youth into corrupting
and revolting sins, into self-pollution, which
ruins the mind, destroying the memory, and
enfeebling every other faculty...." If parents
"place upon their tables the flesh of dead
animals, if they encourage their little ones to
eat this food, they sow seeds which will bring
forth a harvest of corruption."

--Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume
Fourteen, pages 298-299. Chapter Title: The
Lack of Unity a Cause of Failure. Courtesy of
the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial
Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 11:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ELLEN FORCED TO EAT MEAT!

"I at once cut meat out of my bill of fare. After
that I was at times placed where I was
compelled to eat a little meat."

--Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume
Eight, page 37, paragraph 2. Chapter Title:
Ellen White's Practice Regarding Meat Eating.
Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White
Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien
Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 11:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Meat is served reeking with fat,
because it suits the perverted taste."

--Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume
Seven, page 423, paragraph 2. Chapter Title:
The Effects of Meat Eating on Man. Courtesy of
the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial
Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: MEAT INJURES SPIRITUALITY

"Eating the flesh of dead animals has an
injurious effect upon spirituality."

--Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume
Four, page 384, paragraph 2. Chapter Title:
Nutrition. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White
Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews
University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW FORBIDS TEA, COFFEE, TOBACCO
AND ALCOHOL, BUT NOT MEAT, EGGS,
BUTTER AND CHEESE

"Tea, coffee, tobacco, and alcohol we must
present as sinful indulgences. We cannot
place on the same ground, meat, eggs, butter,
cheese and such articles placed upon the
table."

--Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume
Two, page 107, paragraph 2. Chapter Title:
Health Reform To Be Introduced Carefully.
Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White
Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien
Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: MEAT "PUTREFYING" IN STOMACH
CAUSES DEATH

"The flesh of dead animals, fermenting and
putrefying in the stomach, to be sent through
every part of the system, is not pleasant to
reflect upon, or to experience. It causes many
wretched feelings, and is the greatest cause
of fevers, suffering of every type, and of death."

Testimony to the Church at Battle Creek, page
42, paragraph 1. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 11:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Dead flesh rotting in the stomach is
revolting."

--Ellen G. White, Extracts from Unpublished
Testimonies in Regard to Flesh Foods, page
2, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan

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