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Max
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 11:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: EVEN HOT BISCUITS OUT OF
HARMONY WITH HEALTH PRINCIPLES IF
EATEN WITH MEAT

"Hot biscuits and flesh meats are entirely out
of harmony with health-reform principles."

--Ellen G. White, Extracts from Unpublished
Testimonies in Regard to Flesh Foods, page
2, paragraph 1. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Do not put corpses upon your tables;
do not, I beg of you, eat the flesh of dead
animals...."

--Ellen G. White, Advent Review and Sabbath
Herald, January 7, 1902, paragraph 6. Article
Title: An Earnest Plea. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Discard all narcotics, tea, coffee,
fermented wines, and stimulants of all kinds."


--Ellen G. White, Testimony Studies on Diet
and Foods, page 149, paragraph 6. Chapter
Title: Tea and Coffee. U. T.--Dec. 4, '96 (H. L.
para. 1053). Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Believers ... have not the slightest
excuse for eating the flesh of dead animals.
God's curse is resting upon the animal
creation. Many times when meat is eaten, it
decays in the stomach, and creates disease.
Cancers, tumors, and pulmonary diseases
are largely caused by meat eating.

--Ellen G. White, Testimony Studies on Diet
and Foods, page 79, paragraph 7. Chapter
Title: Flesh Foods. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: EAT ANIMAL, BECOME ANIMAL

"We are composed of what we eat, and if we
subsist largely upon the flesh of dead
animals, we shall partake of their nature."

--Ellen G. White, Testimony Studies on Diet
and Foods, page 76, paragraph 9. Chapter
Title: Flesh Foods. 2 T.--60-64. Courtesy of the
Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.

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Meaning if an animal eats human flesh it will
partake of human nature? --Max
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: DOCTORS NOT TO BE EMPLOYED
WHO PRESCRIBE COFFEE, TEA OR MEAT

"Physicians are not employed to prescribe a
flesh diet for patients, for it is this kind of diet
that has made them sick. ... You will not
prescribe flesh, tea, or coffee for your
patients."

--Ellen G. White, Testimony Studies on Diet
and Foods, page 67, paragraph 9. Chapter
Title: Flesh Foods. Courtesy of the Ellen G.
White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW "Disease of every type is afflicting the
human family, and it is largely the result of
subsisting on the diseased flesh of dead
animals."

--Ellen G. White, Healthful Living, page 102,
paragraph 6. Chapter Title: Flesh Foods. .-- U.
T., March, 1896. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White
Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews
University, Berrien Springs, Michigan.

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Even the vast number of purely genetic
diseases present at conception? --Max
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: MEAT INCITES REBELLION

"The Lord ... knew that the use of [flesh meat]
diet would create disease an
insubordination."

--Ellen G. White, "Meat Eating and
Disposition," MS 38, 1898. (CD 375). Also
"Diet and Mind," Mind, Character, and
Personality Volume 2, page 391, paragraph 1.
Chapter Title: Diet and Mind. Courtesy of the
Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 12:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: CRAVE MEAT? FAST AND PRAY
INSTEAD

"If our appetites clamor for the flesh of dead
animals, it is a necessity to fast and pray for
the Lord to give His grace to deny fleshly lusts
which war against the soul."

--Ellen G. White, Medical Ministry, page 283,
paragraph 1. Chapter Title: Diet and Health.
Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White
Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien
Springs, Michigan.

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Why did the angel-directed Ellen counsel
fasting when hungry? Why not counsel eating
grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables instead of
going without any food at all? --Max
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Dead carcasses should always be
looked upon as not fit to compose the diet of
Christians."

--Ellen G. White, Counsels on Diet and Foods,
page 414, paragraph 1. Chapter Title: Flesh
Meats (Proteins Continued). Courtesy of the
Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library,
Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW VS. PAUL: "If tea is offered, refuse it."

Let our ministers and canvassers step under
the banners of strict temperance. Never be
ashamed to say, "No, thank you; I do not eat
meat. I have conscientious scruples against
eating the flesh of dead animals." If tea is
offered, refuse it, giving your reason for so
doing. Explain that it is harmful, and though
stimulating for a time, the stimulus soon
wears off, and a corresponding depression is
felt.

--Ellen G. White, Counsels on Diet and Foods,
page 402, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: Flesh
Meats (Proteins Continued). MS 113, 1901.
#717. Courtesy of the \Ellen G. White Estate,
White Memorial Library, Andrews University,
Berrien Springs, Michigan.

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Paul says eat (and drink) what's put before
you and ask no questions for conscience
sake. --Max
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: CANCER, TUMORS, TB, etc., caused by
meat eating.

The meat diet is the serious question. Shall
human beings live on the flesh of dead
animals? The answer, from the light that God
has given is, No, decidedly No. Health reform
institutions should educate on this question.
Physicians who claim to understand the
human organism ought not to encourage their
patients to subsist on the flesh of dead
animals. They should point out the increase of
disease in the animal kingdom. The testimony
of examiners is that very few animals are free
from disease, and that the practice of eating
largely of meat is contracting diseases of all
kinds,-- cancers, tumors, scrofula,
tuberculosis, and numbers of other like
affections.

--Ellen G. White, Counsels on Diet and Foods,
page 388, paragraph 3. Chapter Title: Flesh
Meats (Proteins Continued). Also Cancer,
Tuberculosis, TumorsMS 3, 1897. Courtesy of
the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial
Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.
Denisegilmore
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

THE TRUE FAST

The true fasting which should be recommended to all, is abstinence from every stimulating kind of food, and the proper use of wholesome simple food, which God has provided in abundance. Men need to think less about what they shall eat and drink of temporal food, and much more in regard to the food from heaven, that will give tone and vitality to the whole religious experience.
M-73-1896 Pray for Moral Courage.
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EGW: "Cancers, tumors, and pulmonary [lung]
diseases are largely caused by meat eating."

--Ellen G. White, Counsels on Diet and Foods,
page 383, paragraph 4. Chapter Title: Flesh
Meats (Proteins Continued). Pacific Union
Recorder, Oct. 9, 1902. . Courtesy of
the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial
Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs,
Michigan.
Denisegilmore
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

PRAY FOR MORAL COURAGE!

Whenever I have seen children feeding upon flesh meats, SINCE THE LIGHT WAS GIVEN FROM HEAVEN, I have felt that if the parents only knew what they were doing, they would fast and pray for moral courage and God-given wisdom and grace to do right. All who feel their need of His Spirit to educate and discipline self, and to properly train their children, will deny self, and take up the cross and follow Jesus.
For certain things fasting and prayer are recommended and appropriate. In the hand of God they are a means of cleansing the heart and promoting a receptive frame of mind. We obtain answers to our prayers because we humble our souls before God. IF OUR APPETITES CLAMOR FOR THE FLESH OF DEAD ANIMALS, IT IS A NECESSITY TO FAST AND PRAY FOR THE LORD TO GIVE HIS GRACE TO DENY FLESHLY LUSTS WHICH WAR AGAINST THE SOUL.
M-73-1896 page 282, Pray for Moral Courage.
Denisegilmore
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IT IS YOUR DUTY TO DO THIS

When you see that you are becoming weak physically, it is essential for you to make changes, and at once. Put into your diet something you have left out. It is your duty to do this. GET EGGS FROM HEALTHY FOWLS. USE THE EGGS COOKED OR RAW. DROP THEM UNCOOKED IN THE BEST UNFERMENTED WINE YOU CAN FIND. THIS WILL SUPPLY THAT WHICH IS NECESSARY TO YOUR SYSTEM. DO NOT FOR A MOMENT SUPPOSE THAT IT WILL NOT BE RIGHT TO DO THIS.

TO A PHYSICIAN DYING FROM OVERWORK AND A MEAGER DIET. K-37-1901 page 286
Denisegilmore
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm, Max, looks like we're on the same page. :)
In that case, I'm going to another book..hehe.
God Bless,
Denise
Max
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Denise. Every little bit of paint
scraped off helps. What's your EGW source?
Are you coming Friday evening to meeting?
--Max
Denisegilmore
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 1:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

THIRD ANGEL'S MESSAGE

He cause the light to shine upon health reform. HE PUBLISHES HIS LAW, and the penalty that will follow the transgression of it, that all may learn, and be careful to live in harmony with natural law. HE PROCLAIMS HIS LAW so distinctly, and makes it so prominent, THAT IT IS LIKE A CITY SET ON A HILL. All accountable beings can understand it if they will. IDIOTS WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE. To make plain natural law, and URGE THE OBEDIENCE TO IT, IS THE WORK THAT ACCOMPANIES THE THIRD ANGEL'S MESSAGE, TO PREPARE A PEOPLE FOR THE COMING OF THE LORD.
3T 161 page 289. Light Given in Love and Pity.
Denisegilmore
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WISDOM IN TEACHING

The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, SUCH AS MILK AND CREAM AND EGGS; BUT MY MESSAGE IS THAT YOU MUST NOT BRING YOURSELF TO A TIME OF TROUBLE BEFOREHAND, AND THUS AFFLICT YOURSELF WITH DEATH. Wait till the Lord prepares the way before you.
Diet and Health, To a Physician Dying From Overwork and a Meager Diet. K-37-1901 page 286

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