| Author | Message | ||
| Maryann |
I thought it would be nice to have some SHORT, favorite quotes from our various reading's. For Bible quotes, I would suggest that it be from your favorite paraphrase. The idea for this thread is to have EASY reading that is packed with the wisdom that grabbed YOU as an individual. ******************************************* WILLIAM HENDRICKSON When grace changes the heart, submission out of fear changes to submission out of love, and true humility is born. | ||
| Maryann |
PHILIPPIANS 2:1-4 Imitating Christ's Humility The Message...Eugene H. Peterson...Paraphrase If you've gotten anything at all out of following Christ, if His love has made any difference in your life, if being in a community of the Spirit means anything to you, if you have a heart, if you care-then do me a favor: agree with each other, love each other, be deep-spirited friends. Don't push your way to the front; don't sweet-talk your way to the top. Put yourself aside, help others get ahead. Don't be obsessed with getting your own advantage. Forget yourselves long enough to lend a helping hand. | ||
| Valm |
I like that one MaryAnn, it will go in my book of favorite verses. It certainly goes against the grain of our dog eat dog competitive world, but just imagine what life would be with that type of philosphy driving us all. Valerie | ||
| Shereen |
Difficulty is actually the atmospherre surrounding a miracle, or a miracle in its initial stage. Yet if it is to be a great miracle, the surrounding condition will be not simply a difficulty but an utter impossibility. And it is the clinging hand of His child that makes a desperate situation a delight to God. Hold onto your faith in God!!! | ||
| Shereen |
This one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. -- Philippians 3:13-14 Every person, if he is to have mental health and live successfully, must move away from past failures and mistakes and go forward without letting them be a weight upon him. The art of forgetting is absolutely necessary. Every night when you lie down to sleep, practice dropping the day into the past. It is over, finished. Look confidently to the future with God. | ||
| Shereen |
ANYWAY... People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; be kind anyway. If you are honest & frank, people may cheat you; be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; build anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; do good anyway. Give the world the best you have and it may never be enough; give the world the best you've got anyway. You see in the final analysis, it is between you and God; it was never between you and them anyway. MOTHER THERESA | ||
| Shereen |
If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, then I acquire the ability to do it, even if I did not have the ability in the beginning. Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948) | ||
| Shereen |
There, I will stop now. So many have inspired me that I could go on all day and night. Work calls. Ciao, Shereen | ||
| Valm |
Thanks Shereen. This is my favorite hymn that I have learned in my present congregation. It is a favorite for communion. It is to the tune "Land of Rest" I come with joy to meet my Lord, forgiven, loved, and free, in awe and wonder to recall his life laid down for me. I come with Christians far and near, to find as all are fed, the new community of love in Christ's communion bread As Christ breaks bread and bids us share, each proud division ends. The love that made us makes us one, and strangers now are friends. And thus with joy we meet our Lord. His presence always near, is in such friendship better known: we see and praise him here Together met, together bound, we'll go our different ways, and as his people in the world we'll live and speak his praise. I hope it speaks to other hearts as it does mine. Valerie | ||
| George |
Shereen, See what you think of this. If we simply forget the bad things of the day, they can be remembered. But, if we take a look at them, deal with them, and them throw them away, the trash man will take them away forever. Just a thought---George | ||
| Maryann |
CHUCK SWINDOLL "The Church can't resurrect what the home puts to death." | ||
| Maryann |
Train up a child in the way he should go is most often understood as; train up a child in the way his parents think he should go. Maybe a better understanding of that would be; train up a child according to his various gifts and bents. (Of course, this is ment within the guidelines of God's will!) How many of us were poured into a mold we didn't fit? How many of us did NOT have our God given, natural gifts and bents developed because we didn't have the gifts and bents of our parents. How many of us are pouring our OWN children into molds they don't fit? Oooooowwwwchhhh:-( | ||
| Billtwisse |
Maryann, Some interpreters indicate that this passage in Proverbs is a warning and not a promise. According to the 'warning' interpretation, the true rendering of the Hebrew is this: "Train up a child in HIS OWN way, and when he is old--you can be sure he will never depart from it!" Just thought that you might be interested in another point of view. --Twisse | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Bill, Yes, this could be a warning as opposed to a promise and I think it is helpful to look at this from both directions. However, when you posted, "the true rendering of the Hebrew is this: 'Train up a child in HIS OWN way, and when he is old--you can be sure he will never depart from it!'", I think is saying the same thing I was saying. I remember so many of the good Biblical verses that accompanied my frequent shower of beltings; "train up a child....", "spare the rod...." etc and so on. The concept was NON-existent that, "train a child in the way HE SHOULD GO," ment; "his OWN way." Most of the time it was ment as Ellen White's way! I was not the regular run of the mill girl!!;-) I was rough, tuff and a tom-boy. I NEVER (BIG NEVER) played with dolls or did the tea party thing. I was constantly in trouble for being this "free spirited" person that loved life and the outdoors. I had a mechanical "bent" and could fix anything. At 12, I could fix the nut mill or get a car started that had sputter problems. At 15 with 1/2 a days notice, I designed and built the best fruit drying system and have yet to see one better. (It would dry bananas and apricots with NO sulpher's etc. and keep their colors with NO browning!) Funny thing, I was so confident with it, it was shown to a group of 80 people that evening and demostrated with NO testing!!!!! That is called 15 year old ignorant guts!;-) Obviously, I had bents that were in line with mechanical creativity and independant confidence. My confidence was a lot of the time labeled as smart alec (sp?), arrogant, etc. Since being a smart alec and arrogant was a sin, childish confidence was NOT the way to be. Therefore my confidence was squelched in the name of "training me in the way Ellen White said I should go!" Now, had I been allowed to go to school past 2nd grade and made it to college, it would be a good bet that I would have been "extremely" encouraged to be a teacher, nurse or doctor! I would NEVER have been happy in those fields! Neither would my students or patients!!! The students would have found themselves decapitated with zippers installed around their necks and info stuffed in their heads as needed!;-) And patients would find incisions all over their bodied for quick diagnosis'!;-) I really should have been in the engineering field or geology etc! My love in 2nd grade was math! I was better than all the boys in math. Unfortunately, I never got past a basic math knowledge as I, as my own teacher, did not have the knowledge to teach myself more then what is "now" 7th grade math. I have a mind for numbers and can remember all kinds of numbers some of which are are 30 some years ago! I read EVERYTHING as a kid that was non-fiction. I hated english and had no desire to learn what a verb or those "other" things were and still don't know! MY BENTS WERE NOT CULTIVATED! My "person" was bypassed. My personality was not understood or accepted! Religion "attempted" to destroy my God given gifts because of the mis-understanding of "train up a child in the way HE SHOULD GO and when he is old he will not depart from it." Well, here I am at 43, having used my God given strong will and confidence. I have run an 1800 acre cattle ranch with 200+ head of cattle for a couple years (alone)! Run a 40 acre ranch with 25+ cows and 30 acres of alfalfa that I irrigated, cut and baled up to 7 times a year for a couple years (alone)! Broke, never been rode, Thoroughbred's for the race track in Denver and worked at the track and am currently a heavy equipment operator for over 16 years. The only reason I'm not doing that right now is I'm on the last couple weeks of recovery from cancer earlier this year and am having a total blast cutting Christmas trees in trade for rent and the sheer joy of working outside. Hmmmmmmmm, what would life have been like had I had "my bents" and "my ways" cultivated and trained? To tell the truth, I love my past and current work;-) And believe me, the above were just a few of the things I have been fortunate enough to do! Looks like my suggestion of "Thoughts To Ponder with LITTLE Dialogue" was evaporated with this post;-))) Oooops sorry!'-) I think I just vented;-) LITTLE Dialogue.....Maryann:):):) PS...I just read this and it DID get long winded! | ||
| Valm |
Wow MaryAnn, I wished I read this first befor I wrote my post under addiction. Your thoughts on that Bible texts are even more profound now. In addition, I understand moreyour part on not understanding kids. But I still wonder if you do as your posts exuberate with childlike enrgy and joy!!! | ||
| Valm |
A little quote I found on an outline about addiction from Elaine Childs-Gowelll/shelley Tucker: "People with belly buttons are allowed to make mistakes" "There are no mistakes, there are only learnings." | ||
| Valm |
DEAR MAX AND DENISE, Where have you been? I miss your wisdom and wit on FAF. I do hope everything is fine. Valerie | ||
| George |
Maryann, I think the verese you refer to is saying; "teach" him what constitutes a good person with respect for others and a knowledge of right from wrong. When the golden rule is applyed here, these things wont be beat into them, there ideas and desired wont be beat out of them. If a parent uses the Bible as an excuse to beat their children in to submition all they will have taught them is a grudging respect of the rod and not the parent. But if the Bible is used to teach and guide them into good humans then you will gain the willing respect of them and have upstanding Kids. I don't think that a parent can just let kids grow up in whatever way THEY want to go. What if they want to be rapests murderers drug dealers etc. then what? George | ||
| Valm |
George, In my work with children, I have never seen a child that started out that way. They became that way through the abuses they suffered as children. Despite what people teach about the sinful human nature, I believe that God created us to be good and happy people. It just requires us to be ever connected to him. It stretches my creativity and challenges my patience, but the most beligerent and reticent child will do good if nutured in the proper environment. | ||
| Maryann |
Hi George and Val, George....a couple days ago, I qualified the "way he should go" with; "(Of course, this is ment within the guidelines of God's will!)" Thank you for bringing that up as I should have repeated that last post;-) Val....I like what you said: "your posts exuberate with childlike energy and joy!!!" He he he! People that know me understand that I never grew up past age 13! I just seem to be stuck there!!;-) Of course, I get a horrible shock when I look in the mirror and realize that "13" is just a state of mind! All my mirrors are either cracked or covered with black draping in their shared mourning of my lost youth;-))))))! George....I don't think that the verse is advising or warning to simply teach them to be good people. It means to also make a "study" of each individual child and guide that individual child in the natural bents and gifts that God gave him. Each of "us" were taught to be "good" people and to follow the golden rule. We still do that to varying degrees;-) BUT.......!!!! What would life have been for each of us had each of us been studied and guided in our individual bents and gifts. For one thing! We would have gotten a formal education. You missed out in the the most formative years, 9-13 and I missed from 10 to an adult! Your in-ji-new-ity would have taken you through school on scholarships!!!! (that was a compliment;-) Sooooo, I will still stand on that verse being one of the most mis-used by Christians of all denominations, but, particularly the more legalistic ones. :):):)Sis.....;););)Maryann |
