| Author | Message | ||
| Jtree |
More from EGW! "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel sin". EGW "In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning". Signs of the Times, March 3, 1898 "If [my] testimonies speak not according to the Word of God, reject them." EGW "It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified SATAN, the author of sin, UPON WHOM THE SINS OF THE TRULY PENITENT WILL FINALLY BE PLACED". - The Great Controversy, p. 422 "As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them upon the head of the scapegoat, so CHRIST WILL PLACE ALL THESE SINS UPON SATAN, the originator and instigator of sin". - The GreatControversy, p. 485 "To be redeemed means to CEASE FROM SIN". Review & Herald, September 25, 1900 | ||
| Max |
God work, Joshua of the Rock! | ||
| Denisegilmore |
and more from egw: "As many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified). Rom. 2:12,13 Those who had accepted the light concerning the mediation of Christ and the perpetuity of the law of God found that these were the truths presented in Revelation 14. The messages of this chapter constitute a threefold warning which is to prepare the inhabitants of the earth for the Lord's second coming. The announcement, 'The hour of his judgement is come,' points to the closing work of Christ's ministration for the salvation of men. It heralds a truth which must be proclaimed until THE SAVIOUR'S INTERCESSION SHALL CEASE and He shall return to the earth to take his people to Himself. The work of judgement WHICH BEGAN IN 1844 must continue until the cases of all are decided, both of the living and the dead; HENCE IT WILL EXTEND TO THE CLOSE OF HUMAN PROBATION. THAT MEN MAY BE PREPARED TO STAND IN THE JUDGEMENT, the message commands them to 'fear God and give glory to him,' 'and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.' The result of an acceptance of these messages is given in the Word: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.' In order to be prepared for the judgement, it is necessary that men SHOULD KEEP THE LAW OF GOD. That LAW WILL BE THE STANDARD OF CHARACTER IN THE JUDGEMENT. The Apostle Paul declares; 'As many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,'...in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ. 'and he says that the 'DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED' (Rom. 2:12-16) Says the wise man; 'Fear God, and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man; (Eccl. 12:13) Without obedience to His commandments NO WORSHIP CAN BE PLEASING TO GOD. 'THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS' HE THAT TURNETH AWAY HIS EAR FROM HEARING THE LAW, EVEN HIS PRAYER SHALL BE ABOMINATION' (Great Controversy page 435-436) The question of deepest interest to each one should be, AM I MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW OF GOD? Only by close examination of self in the light of God's Word can we discover our deviations from His holy rule of right.... In Him we may have pardon FOR PAST FAILURES, and in His strength grow to be PERFECT MEN AND WOMEN IN CHRIST JESUS. (Youth's Instructor, June 10, 1897). | ||
| Denisegilmore |
And, I don't know if anyone paid attention, but, this supposed 'probation' is the second one I've found today, in the writings of EGW. The first one being for 120 years, while Noah, Methuselah were building the ark and preaching. Are there more 'probations?' So far in Ellen's writings there are two, one at the time of the building of the ark and one now ongoing. Will I find more? Who prophesied these probations? WHEN did they happen in past times besides what I've found by EGW. Where in Scripture, you know, GOD'S WORD are all these probations? And where in Scripture is the one that is now ongoing??? Just an honest question cause I would like to know where in Scripture is probation mentioned. Surely there must be something in Scripture. And how many probations are there? Looking forward to answers. God Bless, Denise, the one who wants to know | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Remember my Adventist friends, your duty is to help me see truth, otherwise I cannot be translated, right? Help me. God bless you, Denise Email address Lampdot@aol.com | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Ken, Are you out there. Can you help? And not just on 'secret sin' but on these 'probations' too. I'm really lost in finding them in Scripture..especially the one that is now ongoing. God Bless you in advance, Denise | ||
| Cas |
One of Ellen White's most arrogant statements is this and compare it to Heb. 1:1,2. "In ancient times God spoke through the mouths of prophets and apostles. In these days he speaks to them by the Testimonies of his spirit". Test. vol.4, pg. 148, vol 5, p. 661. Now compare Heb. 1 "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but IN THESE LAST DAYS HAS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, whom he has appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the universe. "All who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White , and has given her a message, WILL BE SAFE FROM the many delusions that will come in these last days". SM vol. 3, pg. 84 Who really keeps us safe from delusions is it Ellen White or Christ. Choose this day who you will serve, our Lord and Savior or Ellen White. | ||
| Max |
Was it not her blasphemy, Cas, that she put her -- "Testimonies of his spirit" -- in the place of God's speaking to us by His Son? One wonders by whose "spirit" she wrote her Testimonies. Let us see through her to Jesus of Nazareth. | ||
| Valm |
This is all interesting stuff. I have been out of SDAism for about 20 years and have thrown or given back to my family any books written by EGW. I didn't want them around because reading them at the time would have just drawn me back in. (I have come further in my recovery now). Cas, you are so correct to point out the arrogance in her proclaiming herself as the testimony of his spirit! It reminds me of a "local" person here in Washington state that claims she channels an ancient spirit called Ramtha. People come in great numbers and give her big bucks to attend her seminars and receive her "light". I am preparing myself to begin entering conversation with my family on these matters. And it occured to me that I have either forgotten, didn't learn or was not mature enough to understand many things about EGW. So I am asking you bold ones who continue to read her words to refute them. Where did she and the other SDAs of her time come up with the notion that she is the spirit of Prophecy and Testimony of Jesus? What are the Biblical texts they use and what is the interpretation of those texts by New Covenant Christians? And if there are any Adventist friends out there. Give me you point of view. How do you derive a scriptural connection that EGW is a true prophet? | ||
| Valm |
And also Adventist friends, I do not know of anyone in the Bible who knew clairvoyantly of other peoples sins except Jesus. Why would EGW be able to do this? In addition, I do not ever recall Jesus making the private sins of people known in such a public and shaming way to the people he encountered. Why would a true person of God do such a cruel, vindictive and shaming thing? Valerie | ||
| Cas |
Hi Valm, A true person of God would not be cruel, vindictive or shaming so therefore my conclusion is that Ellen White was not of God. Note this statement..."We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church". Healthful Living pg. 237 This is a quote from good ole Lynn W. (where are you Lynn)?? Does anyone have this book Healthful Living to look this up and see if Ellen White is really saying to check and see if the sick person is worthy of being prayed for? | ||
| Cas |
Maryann, Thanks for your encouragment post from last week. Sometimes I think there is something wrong with me because of how long it has taken me to get over the bitterness of leaving Adventism, and just move on. Well I am not sure I am still so bitter but whatever you call this sinking feeling when I think about the nightmare of purging myself slowly from the false teachings I was raised with. I had a debate with a relative the other night over the Sabbath. He would not read any research or books I had on the subject because he was convicted by the Holy Spirit so there was no need for him to take anyone elses opinion!!! grrr. One of the things I am not sure on how to answer is the verse in Rev. 14? that says "Here is the patience of the saints and those who keep the commandments of God". Do you think this is referring to the commandments of Love which is the greatest commandment? I think the problem is everytime SDA's hear commandments or law they immediately think it is referring to the 10 commandments. I need to get my Sabbath in Crisis out again and do some reading. God Bless everyone. ~CAS~ | ||
| Max |
Hi Cas, Here is the quoted ìwithholding titheî paragraph together with paragraph before and the one after. Ellen G. White, Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 3. 1020. Some, if they should regain their health, would indulge in some heedless transgression of nature's laws.-- U. T. Ellen G. White, Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 4. 1021. We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.-- U. T. Ellen G. White, Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 5. 1022. There are very many more than we imagine that are sick mentally. . . . A sore, sick heart, a discouraged mind, needs mild treatment, and it is through tender sympathy that this class of minds can be directed to the Burden-Bearer, and if they can have faith that he will have an interest in them, the cure of their diseased bodies and minds will be sure.-- T., V. III, p. 184. Anyone can search Whiteís writings by going to http://www.egwestate.andrews.edu/ | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Ellen White says this: "Many cases have been presented before me, and as I have had a view of THEIR INNER LIVES, my soul has been sick and DISGUSTED with the rotten-heartedness of human beings who profess godliness and talk of translation to Heaven. I Have frequently asked myself, Whom can I trust? Who is FREE FROM INIQUITY?" Now she further relates a case for us... "My husband and myself once attended a meeting where our sympathies were enlisted for a brother who was a great sufferer with the phthisic. He was pale and emaciated. He requested the prayers of the people of God. He said his family were sick, and that he had lost a child. He spoke with feeling of his bereavement. He said that he had BEEN WAITING FOR SOME TIME TO SEE BRO. AND SISTER WHITE. He believed that if they would pray for him, he would be healed. After the meeting closed, the brethren called our attention to the case. They said that the church was assisting them; that his wife was sick, and his child had died. The brethren met at his house, and united in praying for the afflicted family. We were much worn, and had the burden of labor upon us during the meeting, and wished to be excused. I had resolved NOT TO ENGAGE IN PRAYER FOR ANY ONE, UNLESS THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD SHOULD DICTATE IN THE MATTER. I HAD BEEN SHOWN THAT THERE WAS MUCH INIQUITY ABOUNDING, EVEN AMONG PROFESSED SABBATH-KEEPERS, THAT I DID NOT WISH TO UNITE IN PRAYER FOR THOSE OF WHOSE HISTORY I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE. I STATED MY REASON. I WAS ASSURED BY THE BRETHREN THAT, AS FAR AS THEY KNEW, HE WAS A WORTHY BROTHER. I conversed a few words with the one that had solicited our prayers that he might be healed; BUT I COULD NOT FEEL FREE. HE WEPT, AND SAID THAT HE HAD WAITED FOR US TO COME, and he felt assured that if we would pray for him he would be restored to health. We told him THAT WE WERE UNACQUAINTED WITH HIS LIFE; THAT WE WOULD RATHER THOSE WHO KNEW HIM PRAY FOR HIM. He importuned us so earnestly THAT WE DECIDED TO CONSIDER HIS CASE, and present it before the Lord that night; AND IF THE WAY SEEMED CLEAR, WE WOULD COMPLY WITH HIS REQUEST. That night we bowed in prayer, and presented his case before the Lord. We entreated that we might know the will of God concerning him. ALL WE DESIRED WAS WAS THAT GOD BE GLORIFIED. Would the Lord have us pray for this afflicted man? We left the burden with the Lord, and retired to rest. IN A DREAM THAT CASE OF THAT MAN WAS CLEARLY PRESENTED. His course from his childhood up was shown, and that if we should pray, THE LORD WOULD NOT HEAR US; FOR HE REGARDED INIQUITY IN HIS HEART. The next morning the man came for us to pray for him. We took him aside, and told him we were sorry to be compelled TO REFUSE HIS REQUEST. I related my dream, which he acknowledged was true. HE HAD PRACTICED SELF-ABUSE FROM HIS BOYHOOD UP, AND HE CONTINUED THE PRACTICE DURING HIS MARRIED LIFE, BUT SAID HE WOULD TRY TO BREAK HIMSELF OF IT. This man had a long-established habit to overcome. He was in the middle of his life. His moral principles were so weak that when brought in conflict with long established indulgence they were overcome. The baser passions had gained the ascendency over the higher nature. I ASKED HIM IN REGARD TO HEALTH REFORM. He said he could not live it. His wife would throw graham flour out of doors, if it were brought into the house. This family has been helped by the church. Prayer also offered in their behalf. THEIR CHILD HAD DIED, THE WIFE WAS SICK, AND THE HUSBAND AND FATHER WOULD LEAVE HIS CASE UPON US, FOR US TO BRING BEFORE A PURE AND HOLY GOD, THAT HE MIGHT MAKE WORK A MIRACLE AND MAKE HIM WELL. THE MORAL SENSIBILITIES OF THIS MAN WERE BENUMBED." Testimony to the Church Vol. 2, page 349-351 Does this sound like Christian love to anybody here??? I find this story an awful example of EGWs pompous attitude. Not just hers but her husband James was with her on this. What horrors I'm reading into her personality! God Bless all, Denise, who would pray for the sinner especially | ||
| Valm |
I gasp at the meaness of such things. It is inconveivable to me that my family can read this stuff and still stay within this cult. OH HOW SAD!!!!!! Did I tell you all that every time I write SDAism in my emails my speel check wants to change it to sadism? (I am feeling very punchy tonight) Valerie | ||
| Valm |
Cas, Read my post under Sabbath worries about the word commandments as it appears in the writings of John. According to the scholars it depends on which Greek word he uses as to whether he is refering to Mosaic commandments of the commandments of Jesus. This is a new finding on my part that has been a shot of medicine to my spirit. I did find out through the help of Max and Denise that the word commandments in Rev 12:17 is refering to the commandments of Jesus and the Greek word is entole. I am not forsure about in Rev 14. Hey Max or Denise could you look that one up for us? I am becoming itchy to get a Greek Bible for this purpose. Cas be patient with yourself. You are detoxing. I refer to myself as a recovering Adventist. And I remind myself that for every time I was given a negative message from Adventism it will take me atleast 10 positive grace messages to overcome it and have it sink into my central nervous system. I have accepted grace for quite a while but my body is just catching up. | ||
| Denisegilmore |
The Greek word 'nomos' is not at all found in the book of Revelation. Nomos, Strong's exhaustive concordance #3551 God Bless, Denise P.S. To all Greek Scholars, please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you in advance. :) | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Revelation 14:12, the Greek word used for 'commandments' is 'entole' Strong's exhaustive concordance #1785 God Bless, Denise | ||
| Denisegilmore |
The Greek word 'entole' meaning 'commandments' is found 3 times in the book of Revelation. Revelation 12:17 Revelation 14:12 Revelation 22:14 God Bless, Denise | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Valerie, I had to chuckle because my spell checker does the same thing when I am trying to send an email. By the way..type into your search 'Blue Letter Bible' and you will have access to Greek and Hebrew and a host of commentaries, bibles etc. God Bless and have fun! :) your sister in Christ Jesus, Denise |
