| Author | Message | ||
| Valm |
Well my Little Hurricane has just blown back in from the neighbors, gotta go. Valerie | ||
| Chuckiej |
I'm not feeling well, so this might not be the most coherent post, but here goes. GA, you say that the Bible clearly teaches that God doesn't care about some people. Can you tell me where those verses are? In your most recent post, you make lots of sweeping statements all marked in red, but unless I missed it, not a single quote of inerrant scripture to back them up. You ask people to exegete the Word, why don't you offer up some of the passages that you think support your position, and we'll do it together. To put it bluntly, I think Calvinism is rank nonsense, but if you think you have scriptural evidence to support it, I'd like to see it, rather than relying on your capitlized, highlited opinion. | ||
| Graceambassador |
Valm: Thank you for your prayers! I take them, receive them, welcome them and will enjoy their blessings according to Ephesians 1:3, which have already been given in the past and are mine forever! In the most sincerest way! And I will do the same for you! Now, there is a Presbyterian Church in your neighborhood, I am sure, why don't you go and write your "thesis" upon their doors. See if it lasts 600 years... There is a Calvinistic College in almost every town in America. Go and debate them face to face! MORE POWER TO YOU! By the way, I do not have any following! You are too accostumed to cults! I teach them and they follow Jesus! People who hear my teaching are not bound to follow any man in the likes of you when you followed Ellen... On the contraty, they do not even believe in "chruchianity" as most people do... They are non-conformist Christians! I was going to write a post about Calvin's teaching that states that sons and daughters of the believers are "elect", but you show no interest for reasoning. Also, when you quote a scripture, please, at least check the difference in verb tenses, such as the one you quoted above in "orange". If you could read this text in the Greek, or analyse it in English you would have noticed that they are not condemned now and have "crossed over from life unto death" in the past...like in ELECTION AND PREDESTINATION! Also, you would have known that "whoever" is in opposition to the Jews only, which is one of the core theme of the book of John! Hemeneutics, dear sister! Hermeneutics! Grace Ambassador | ||
| Valm |
I have some more awesome scriptures of Jesus promising that anyone how comes to him will be given life!!! I am the bread of life, he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I say unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.and this is the Father's will which hath sent me,that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.and this is the will of him that sent me,that EVERYONE which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life and I will raise him up at the last day. Dearest Heavenly Father, Praise and gratitude to you to send Jesus to do your will that everyone might have eternal life. Amen | ||
| Valm |
Another wonderful story from the GOSPEL : And, behold a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he ansered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread and to cast it to dogs. and she said, Truth, Lord; yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her,Oh woman great is they faith; be it unto thee even as thou wilt.And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.Matther 15:22-28 A beautiful prayer from the Catholic tradition. Sorry guys it is a beautiful prayer. It is said before offering communion: Lord I am not worthy to eat the crumbs from under thy table. But speak the word only and thy servant shall be healed. | ||
| Graceambassador |
BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS... Some of you have in the past and some are now asking privately for some books on Election and Predestination. Here are some: ARTHUR PINK - The Sovereignty of God - specially the the article The Sovereignty of God in Salvation RC SPROUL - THE ESSENTIAL TRUTHS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH - article on Predestination and Election PAUL ENNS & DWIGHT PENTECOST - MOODY HANDBOOK OF THEOLOGY - lessons on Predestination SPURGEON AT HIS BEST - CHARLES SPURGEON COMPILED BY TOM CARTER - read his commentaries on Predestination and Election Grace Ambassador | ||
| Lori |
One of the simplest text of all time is "God so loved the world (that means all of it and everyone in it) that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him might have eternal life" And the Bible says Christ died for ALL sins. Not just believers sins. But for unbelievers sins as well. And, no I don't think this is a new doctrine. It's Calvinist all the way. But unfortunately it is the one point where Calvin was WAY OFF! | ||
| Graceambassador |
Simple rules of Biblical Intepretation: (I promise, I will drop after this...) I am the bread of life, he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I say unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.and this is the Father's will which hath sent me,that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.and this is the will of him that sent me,that EVERYONE which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life and I will raise him up at the last day. "All that the Father has given me"... Past tense, ELETION AND PREDESTINATION, THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO JESUS. GOD, HAS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS ABRAHAM SENT HIS SERVANT, TO SEEK A BRIDE TO CHRIST AND SHE IS ALREADY CHOSEN... "All that my Father give me SHALL COME TO ME..." Irresistable Grace, the "I" of the TULIP of Calvin's teachings. Those whom the Father chose to come to Christ WILL COME TO HIM! THEY WILL BELIEVE AND WILL BE DRAWN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO CHRIST... "That all that He has given me I shall lose nothing". Here we have both the "U" of the TULIP and the "P". The first part, ...He has given me in the past, is the "U" - Unconditional Election. The latter portion... I shall lose nothing... is the "P" or the PERSEVERANCE OR PRESERVATION OF THE SAINTS, meaning, none will lose their Salvation! What a Great Plan! It beats the Muslim plan of salavation, it beats the Budhist plan of Salvation, it beats the new age plan of salvation... It is far superior than anything men could ever design! Grace Ambassador | ||
| Valm |
Good Evening All, We are all getting read to tuck in after book time with the boys. And I bid you all the Peace that only The Lord Jesus can give to whoever calls upon him. I leave you not with my words, but with his. Sweet dreams while resting in Christ...... "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. whoever believes in me as the Scripture has said streams of living water will flow from within him John 7:37 and I tell you the truth, WHOEVER hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over form death to life. John 4:24 Valerie | ||
| Graceambassador |
Dear CINDY, Lori, Denise and all: First Lori Sorry not to have responded. Your post went to the Archives and I usually do not go there! You ask if Adam and Eve had only the "wrong choice". I dealt with this in another post. Please, I cannot go back to the same issue again. There I proposed and submitted that Adam and Eve were the first and the last who had free-will. Then, the Bible says that ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. Please, run a study on "coming short of the Glory of God, and see what heinous effect sin had in our ability to choose. Also, one of you said that God hardened Pharaoh's heart because he did not believe: PLEASE, SCRIPTURE! BCV, BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE! GOD INDEED PLANNED HIS DISOBEDIENCE TO CARRY ON HIS PLAN. READ THE CONTEXT, "CAN THE POT TELL THE POTTER "WHY DID YOU MAKE ME THUS AND SO..." Romans 9. READ THE CONTEXT BEFORE YOU ADD SCRIPTURES TO THE BIBLE WHICH IS A SIN... Your gymnastics to intepret Romans 9 and I Peter 2:8-9 is really unorthodox. But I give you a lot of credit for at least being REASONABLE! Thank you for asking though! Denise: Thank you for the words. Your encouragement is noted and may God repay you as in Ruth 2:12. Cindy: Thank you so much for your support! Keep praying for your husband. I am not the one who is saying that he will burn. Neither is God. Valm is. She is a mom and mom's are superior to God (just kidding). In every instance and post I posted, Cindy, in none of them I said that ANY PARTICULAR PERSON WILL BURN IN HELL! VALM IS INFERING SUCH OUT OF HER OWN VOLITION. I SAID THAT GOD SIMPLY CHOOSES SOMEONE TO BE SAVED. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE SOMEONE TO GO TO HELL BECAUSE WE'VE ALL SINNED AND ARE WORTHY OF HELL. OF COURSE, TECHNICALLY THIS IS AND WE CALL FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, GOD'S REPROBATION! OR ELSE WHY WOULD THERE BE PEOPLE IN HELL TODAY, BECAUSE GOD IS WEAK, HE RESPECTS MAN'S WILL (B.C.V ANYONE? BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE?) TR-ADDITION HAS IT TO BE THIS WAY. BUT GOD SAYS THROUGH THE O.T. THAT HE WILL DO HIS PLEASURE. AND IN THE N.T. HE SAYS ACCORDING TO MY WILL IN JOHN FIRST, ACCORDING TO MY GOOD PLEASURE IN EPHESIANS 1, ANS IN JOHN HE JESUS SAY THAT THOSE WHOM THE FATHER GAVE (PAST TENSE) TO HIM SHALL COME TO HIM! I DO NOT THINK VALM IS A BAD PERSON BUT NOT VERY RACIONAL IN HER ANALYSIS OF WHAT I AM SAYING. SHE IS PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH! SHE IS THE ONE WHO IS ALWAYS ASKING, "WELL, THEN MY KIDS CAN GO TO HELL"... OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT! I SAID REPEATEDLY: "I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY IS NOT NOT SAVED MEANING THAT PERHAPS THE MANIFESTATION IS NOT THERE YET, AS IN THE CASE OF YOUR HUSBAND, BUT IN THE ETERNITY OF GOD, NOT VALM'S NOT MINE, HE MAY HAVE ALREADY CROSSED OVER FROM DEATH TO ETERNAL LIFE AS THE SCRIPTURE THAT VALM SO UNSCHOLARLY INTERPRETED! PLUS, DEAR CINDY, YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY, EVEN THOSE WHO BELIEVE FREE WILL CANNOT DO ANYTHING FOR THOSE WHO WILL ULTIMATELY REJECT CHRIST! SO, WHY PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND SAY THAT I ESPOUSE THAT PEOPLE WILL BURN, BURN, BURN. I BELIEVE THE ONLY THING BURNING HERE IS VALMS' PRIDE NOT ADMITTING THAT SHE CANNOT FACE UP TO A BIBLICAL CHALLENGE! THUS, THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IS TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND ATTACK ME PERSONALLY BASED UPON SOME SYSTEM OF BELIEFS THAT SHE HATES. PLEASE, DO NOT FOLLOW HER DEVILISH ADVICE. This is cruel! CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND. WHEN PAUL WENT TO THE JAILER'S HOUSE, JUST BECAUSE OF HIS FAITH AND BECAUSE HE OBEYED PAUL AND TRUSTED CHRIST BY NOT COMMITTING SUICIDE, GOD HONORED HIS FAITH AND SHOWED HIM THAT HIS ENTIRE FAMILY WAS ELECTED! KEEP AT IT SISTER! I WILL JOIN YOU IN PRAYER! WHO CAN TELL ME RIGHT NOW, IN THE FACE OF GOD, THAT YOUR HUSBAND HAS NOT ALREADY PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE AND THAT THE VISIBLE MANIFESTATION WILL OCCUR SOON! THIS IS THE GOD I BELIEVE! NOT THE GOD THAT WAITS FOR ONE TO CHOOSE HIM AND ALLOWS THEM TO DIE WITHOUT DOING SO... Again, WHO CAN TELL ME THAT ANYONE IN THIS TERRESTRIAL BALL, WHOSE CURRENT PASSING MOMENT IS ALL WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR, THAT SOME PEOPLE THAT VALM IS DOOMING TO HELL REPEATEDLY, ARE NOT, IN ETERNITIES PAST, GIVEN TO CHRIST BY GOD, AND SHALL (NOT WILL, BUT SHALL) BELIEVE HIM AND HAVE ALREADY, NOW, AT THIS MOMENT, EVEN WITHOUT THE RELIGIOUS APPEARANCE WE'D EXPECT, PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE! JESUS SAID: "I HAVE OTHER SHEEP, AND MY SHEEP SHALL HEAR MY VOICE! HOW MANY PEOPLE THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD CALLED THEM FROM THEIR MOTHER'S WOMB AND ONLY LATER IN THEIR LIVES THEY WERE MANIFESTED AS "SAVED". JOHN THE BAPTIST EVEN PRAISED GOD IN ELIZABETH'S WOMB! RIGHT THERE, STILL IN HIS MOTHER'S WOMB, HE WAS ALREADY WELCOMING THE MESSIAH! HALLELUYAH!. AND HE COULD NOT EVEN HAVE A "WILL" YET! AM I READING ANOTHER BIBLE??? WHAT A DIFFERENCE FROM PSALM 53:8! KEEP PRAYING FOR YOUR HUSBAND, AND YOU GOT ME WITH YOU AND MANY TO WHOM I CAN SHARE WHATEVER IS THE CASE. I DO NOT NEED TO KNOW! GOD KNOWS! WITH ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE! PRAISE HIS NAME FOREVER! I would not have gotten so upset if someone had not given you an advice that comes straight from the darkest chambers of hell! And, I am the one who is preaching "phylosophies". I said it before, exposure is the best way to find out who is saying what... Follow one of Valm's advice, though: "Read the posts in their entirity and see if you continue to agree. PLEEEEEAAAASE! I hope you forgive me for allowing my flesh to sparkle and attempt to squirm away from under the CROSS. But GOD IS NOT DONE WITH ME YET! I AM YOUNG AND HE CAN TEACH ME!!! Again, thank you for your love and support! with UNCLELY LOVE! Grace Ambassador | ||
| Colleentinker |
English teacher that I am, I have to take issue with your verb tenses, Grace Ambassador. In John 6:36 where Jesus says, "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given meÖ" the words "has given" is NOT past tense. It is present tense. Past tense would be "Had given". The NASB bears out this translation; it uses the same verbs. "Has given", like the present perfect tense "has (or have) been given", does carry the suggestion that the giving began sometime in the past and continues now as an ongoing process. But the giving CONTINUES. It is not in the past. It is a continuing, present process. In John 5:24 is says, "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life." "Has crossed" is a current process, and it refers to everyone who accepts Jesus. People accept Jesus on an ongoing, current basis. Whoever accepts him "has crossed", implying that they enter eternity which has no beginning or end. (A mystery.) Jesus continues in v. 25, "I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live." Notice: "Has now come" is present tense. The dead (foreshadowing the resurrection and also referring to the spiritually dead) will hear (future tense--Christ hadn't died, risen and ascended yet) Jesus himself was here. The time of the dead finding life had arrived in the person of Jesus Christ. The dead would hear his voice and would live--future--after Jesus completed his sacrifice. I believe strongly in God's sovereignty. I also believe strongly that we are not expected to understand why or how God works. We are to accept his working, not understand it. He can do whatever he wills. The Bible does talk about predestination, but it also makes it very clear that anyone who accepts Jesus can live. I believe that these seemingly conflciting statements do not conflict at all. The problem, I think, is that we're not in eternity. We're stuck in time and in our three dimensions, and we can't possible see what these truths mean. We really can't interpret theology according to our understanding. It really does have to be guided by the Holy Spirit. These discussion always remind me of what Gary Inrig, our pastor, said one day. He said that the Bible says people are presdestined, but Jesus also commanded to go and teach the gospel, making disciples as they went. "I don't know how those two things coexist," he said, "but I just know I'd be disobedient to Christ if I don't take the command to go and preach and make disciples." I believe we are looking at a paradox. God is not limited by us either one way or the other. He is sovereign, and he gives us opportunities to choose him. When we live with the Holy Spirit, all these texts look different than they did when we weren't connected to eternity. If we could see eternity and the dimensions we are not in, I believe the paradox would be cleared up. In the meantime, we have to live with the tension of both things being true. I believe that God does strive with everyone to come to him, and he does know who is written in his book. I'm comfortable living with this tension. And I'm so grateful for his undending love! Colleen | ||
| Billtwisse |
Like GA said, we are resurrecting old issues that have already been discussed and it is probably pointless to go over them all again here. I want to respond to Valerie at least once more because I don't think she properly represented my position: I wil be frank though, I can not imagine that God would pick and choose who to bestow his love upon. I would not dare think of it with my children. How could I, they are my children. Is not God our heavenly Father? The idea of 'picking and choosing' would imply that the children already exist before God starts picking. That is not what I said at all. What I was saying is this: God determined to create a people that he would set his special redeeming love upon before they existed or had done anything good or bad. Election, not selection. Picking and choosing would be selection from among a mass of fallen humanity; who might all be saved if only God would release the Holy Spirit and work the miracle. Selection is what most of Calvinism teaches and I deny it most emphatically. Don't forget: the devil is God's child also. So are the devil's angels. Was God unfair in not providing salvation for them? The notion of absolute equality of opportunity for salvation among God's offspring will not stand up. How could any of us go boldly to the throne of grace if this were true? I do, based on the promises of scripture that he who comes will not be cast out; the very ones you quoted. But without regeneration of the Holy Spirit, no one can come because no one will want ('will') to come. Again to be frank, if I remotely believed in the message you are giving, I could not love God or serve him. I just couldn't. This is not a matter of selfishness for those I love, it is a matter of could I serve a God who would do such a thing; allow a person to be created and not allow them eternal life? I suppose it is not my rite to judge God but I just can not help it. I would feel to serve such a God would be like being in a loveless marraige to be "kept". I believe that you are not focused on the big picture of redemption--but are hung up on fairness as defined by absolute equality of opportunity. If God acted as much to save Judas as he acted to save me--and I experience eternal life and Judas does not; the final reason for my salvation lies within my own will. My will to choose the right destiny is what I will be praising for eternity. GA: What do you think of Colleen's argument about the Greek tenses? I don't have my Greek NT right now to check it--but if there are perfect tenses in this passage (and I believe that there are); the present and continuing action or reality is guaranteed: the once-for-all action that God has performed in the past cannot be negated by the continuous and ongoing results of that action in the present and future. In any case, eternal realities are not subject to change in the present (though they continue to unfold)--even if the tense is imperfect. --Twisse | ||
| Chuckiej |
GA, first of all, the length of time that Calvinism has existed, or its number of adherents is absolutely irrelevant to its truth. Islam is 1300+, and is second only to Christianity in number of followers, and is actually growing faster than Christianity right now. Hinduism is old as dirt, no one even knows who founded it. So what? That proves nothing. Secondly, forgive me if this has been mentioned in the archives, there are simply too many to go back through. Mt. 23:37 and Lk 13:33-35 as Christ weeps over Jerusalem, he says that he would've gathered them to him BUT THEY WOULD NOT. He didn't blame the Father for not electing them, he attributed it to their choice. Also, on the unconditional thing, in Revelation 2:12, the Lord states that unless the church at Pergamum repents, he will fight against them with the sword of his mouth. The same metaphor is used in Rev. 19:15 to describe the destruction of the wicked. So here we have church folk who are threatened with the same fate as the wicked unless they repent. Thus, Hebrews 6:4-6 can't be dismissed as referring to "repentance not salvation" because the Lord himself has said that those who do not repent will get the same treatment from him as the wicked. Finally Heb. 4 quotes Ps. 95 "Today if you hear his voice, harden not your hearts." As if it is still applicable. This is empty rhetoric if people have no choice in the matter. The writer goes on to exhort his readers to make every effort to enter God's rest. What's the point if He's going to just jerk them along like a current, whether they like it or not. GA, I'm pretty certain that your answer to much of the above will depend on the dichotomy you see between Israel and the grafted-on church and "the common sinner." If you are in fact going there, would you mind explaining that? | ||
| Lydell |
As you have said Valerie, this subject comes down to a matter of who God is, and what is His character. We know that Christ was the perfect representation of God. And I was reminded last night of some verses then that indicate what we can know of the Lord thru Christ's life. According to these verses Mt. 9:36, 14:14, 15:22, and Mk. 6:34, 8:2, He is a God who is moved with compassion "for the multitudes". In Hebrews 5:2 we are told that "He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." Christ said of himself: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed; to proclaim the aceptable year of the Lord." Personally I'm very thankful that He allowed this captive to choose to be set free. And not just me and mine. But that the invitation is good for all the captives and their families. I'm thankful that He leaves the opportunity open for my sons and their sons some day to make their own choices. I'm thankful that my husband's ability to be in the kingdom was not reliant on the lack of his parents choice to follow Christ. "The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to ALL, and His tender mercies are over all His works." Ps. 145:8 That's the God we serve. | ||
| Lori |
There are only 3 Elections in Scripture: Election of Christ-Isaiah 42:1 Election of Israel-Romans 91-9 Election of the Church-Eph. 1:4,4:1;Col. 3:12-14; Rom. 8:33; 1 Peter 1:1,2; 2 Tim. 1:9; 2 Peter 1:3 NO ONE IS CHOSEN TO BE LOST! This contradicts the very Essence of God! The fact that the Foreknowledge of God has already entered all the facts into the "computer" and the outcome is already known by him doesn't change our ability to make choices by freewill. Do you really think that God can't work our freewill into his plan? God made a divine decree--Believe in the Son and thou shalt be save--Believe not and you are condemned already. (Here's the gymnastics that you said I performed!!) God made the rules Believe be saved; Believe not be lost. Those who made the decision to not believe APPOINTED THEIR OWNSELVES to be lost because thats what the divine decree of God set forth. We know the speedlimit-we know the consequences of speeding. If we exceed the speedlimit and are stopped by the police we have to pay the fine. Who appointed us to have to pay the fine? From your viewpoint it was the police man--but the reality is it was the driver who appointed himself to pay the fine. We made the decision to drive too fast, we made the decision to pay the fine. Your theory implies that we are all little puppets and God is the puppeteer. Then, God is not doing a very good job, if the decisions are all up to Him and the state of our world is what it is. And the people that he has ELECTED are so Unperfect with Him making all the decisions. If we operate on a bases outside of freewill and everything has been controlled by God all this time--well, he's really not very good at what he does! He's a failure. He might as well be a God of stone. I have no interest in your God, GA--he's an absolute failure. The whole purpose of our existence is to prove to Satan that creatures of freewill will choose God! If we have no freewill then we have no purpose for existing. If God has predetermined everything, he created sin-which means the Bible is a lie because in order to be able to create sin God would have sin in Him and the Bible says their is no sin in God. If God is making all the decisions and I am out of control then God is playing a "sick game" on the earth and there is no love in Him. The Bible says God is love. (But the Bible is a lie that was determined in the previous paragraph.) GA, I don't want to know your version of God. | ||
| Lydell |
Chuckiejr, have you been here before? If not, then welcome. The bread of life discourse also speaks of the invitation being open to anyone who chooses. Everything, everything in the Spirit realm begins with our choosing to allow God to work. Again, it comes down to the matter of God's character. He is not a rapist, He is a lover. His love is far greater than a mother's love. His love and compassion and mercy are far beyond my love. And, praise God, His love is far beyond the love of the Calvinists! Hm, just glanced across the page in my Bible and noticed that the manna fell on all the children of Israel. Only those who choose to pick it up and eat it were fed. The analogy to the Bread of Life should be obvious. It falls everywhere. There's nothing to indicate that he was speaking to a group that consisted of only Jews. Only those who choose to eat profit from it. | ||
| Lori |
Lydell, you are so right--this is directly related to the Character God, it's centered on who God is! It's all about the Essence of God. That sounds like a great new thread!!! | ||
| Chuckiej |
Thanks Lydell. I've been lurking for awhile, but I've been praying about a tendency to argue, so I didn't register and jump into some previous frays. However, Calvinism is one of those things that stirs up that fire shut up in my bones (smile) and I just can't keep quiet. I'll stick around at least long enough to dialogue with Bill and GA, b/c they're the first "live" Calvinists I've met (as opposed to just reading books and articles.) I think we all need to critically examine our points of view under the direction of the Holy Spirit, so we can make sure those things are true. | ||
| Cindy |
Welcome Chuckiej...I'm glad you've made your presence known! :-)) As you said, we all need to examine our points of view under the direction of the Holy Spirit... And may Christ's Presence and Peace bless our "discussions" here... :-)) Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Cindy |
Uncle Milt/Grace Ambassador, :-)) Thank-you for your words of encouragement in perservering in prayer; I know I can't help but continue. I see so much of the Holy Spirits' work in the midst of circumstances. I am so glad I can rest safely in Christ today... Wish I had more time to write, but have to go... Grace always, Cindy |
