| Author | Message | ||
| Andrew_adams |
Adventist say; Day for a year as in, (Num 14:34 KJV) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise. (Ezek 4:6 KJV) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. What adventist don't say is the rest of the story. 3 Moreover take thou unto thee an iron pan, and set it for a wall of iron between thee and the city: and set thy face against it, and it shall be besieged, and thou shalt lay siege against it. This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. 4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. 5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. 7 Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it. 8 And, behold, I will lay bands upon thee, and thou shalt not turn thee from one side to another, till thou hast ended the days of thy siege. 9 Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof. Funny, why does this apply in Daniel and not in Ezekiel where it is given? AA | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Hello Andrew, The Hebrew word used for "day" in Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:5-6, Genesis 2:2 and Genesis 3:14 (days) and many other passages in the O.T. is "Yowm." Strongs #3117. The Hebrew word used for "year" is "shaneh" (in pl. only). Strongs #8141. The Hebrew word used for "hundred" is "me'ah." Strongs #3967. Here is some input from the Blue Bible Concordance/Dictionary. Hope this helps some. May our Lord Shine His Face upon you. :) DtB 03117 yowm {yome} from an unused root meaning to be hot; TWOT - 852; n m AV - day 2008, time 64, chronicles + 01697 37, daily 44, ever 18, year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8 always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2287 1) day, time, year 1a) day (as opposed to night) 1b) day (24 hour period) 1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1 1b2) as a division of time 1b2a) a working day, a day's journey 1c) days, lifetime (pl.) 1d) time, period (general) 1e) year 1f) temporal references 1f1) today 1f2) yesterday 1f3) tomorrow About Strongs Concordance for Strongs Number 03117 Go to Gen 3:14 There are 2287 instances of verses containing Strong's number 03117. Page 1, verses 1 - 25. Gen 1:5 And God [0430] called [07121] (8799) the light [0216] Day [03117], and the darkness [02822] he called [07121] (8804) Night [03915]. And the evening [06153] and the morning [01242] were the first [0259] day [03117]. Gen 1:5 And God [0430] called [07121] (8799) the light [0216] Day [03117], and the darkness [02822] he called [07121] (8804) Night [03915]. And the evening [06153] and the morning [01242] were the first [0259] day [03117]. Gen 1:8 And God [0430] called [07121] (8799) the firmament [07549] Heaven [08064]. And the evening [06153] and the morning [01242] were the second [08145] day [03117]. Gen 1:13 And the evening [06153] and the morning [01242] were the third [07992] day [03117]. Gen 1:14 And God [0430] said [0559] (8799), Let there be lights [03974] in the firmament [07549] of the heaven [08064] to divide [0914] (8687) the day [03117] from the night [03915]; and let them be for signs [0226], and for seasons [04150], and for days [03117], and years [08141]: Gen 1:14 And God [0430] said [0559] (8799), Let there be lights [03974] in the firmament [07549] of the heaven [08064] to divide [0914] (8687) the day [03117] from the night [03915]; and let them be for signs [0226], and for seasons [04150], and for days [03117], and years [08141]: Gen 1:16 And God [0430] made [06213] (8799) two [08147] great [01419] lights [03974]; the greater [01419] light [03974] to rule [04475] the day [03117], and the lesser [06996] light [03974] to rule [04475] the night [03915]: [he made] the stars [03556] also. Gen 1:18 And to rule [04910] (8800) over the day [03117] and over the night [03915], and to divide [0914] (8687) the light [0216] from the darkness [02822]: and God [0430] saw [07200] (8799) that [it was] good [02896]. Gen 1:19 And the evening [06153] and the morning [01242] were the fourth [07243] day [03117]. Gen 1:23 And the evening [06153] and the morning [01242] were the fifth [02549] day [03117]. Gen 1:31 And God [0430] saw [07200] (8799) every thing that [0834] he had made [06213] (8804), and, behold, [it was] very [03966] good [02896]. And the evening [06153] and the morning [01242] were the sixth [08345] day [03117]. Gen 2:2 And on the seventh [07637] day [03117] God [0430] ended [03615] (8762) his work [04399] which he had made [06213] (8804); and he rested [07673] (8799) on the seventh [07637] day [03117] from all his work [04399] which he had made [06213] (8804). Gen 2:2 And on the seventh [07637] day [03117] God [0430] ended [03615] (8762) his work [04399] which he had made [06213] (8804); and he rested [07673] (8799) on the seventh [07637] day [03117] from all his work [04399] which he had made [06213] (8804). Gen 2:3 And God [0430] blessed [01288] (8762) the seventh [07637] day [03117], and sanctified [06942] (8762) it: because [03588] that in it he had rested [07673] (8804) from all his work [04399] which God [0430] created [01254] (8804) and made [06213] (8800). Gen 2:4 These [0428] [are] the generations [08435] of the heavens [08064] and of the earth [0776] when they were created [01254] (8736), in the day [03117] that the LORD [03068] God [0430] made [06213] (8800) the earth [0776] and the heavens [08064], | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Andrew, About the double versing, I'm not sure if I did that or my computer. Either way, my apologies. May His Grace keep you forever, amen. DtB | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Here is another one to think about. While i was in the adventist church, I was taught that the ten commandments have been kept since the beginning. Even before Mount Sinai. I wonder if any had read the book of Hosea. For Hosea begins his ministry with a command from God to marry an adulterous wife! Now can you imagine being called and your very first mission is to find an adulterous wife?! Here is Hosea 1:2 "When the Lord began to speak through Hosea, the Lord said to him, "Go, take to yourself an adulterous wife and children of unfaithfulness, because the land is guilty of the vilest adultery in departing from the Lord." Notice that this is Hosea's beginning, according to Scripture. And I take Scripture as meaning what it says for the Truth, don't you? I can just imagine graduating from seminary, so to speak, and having God instructing me to violate His own Law. If it were me, I would have had many questions probably. Like, "what?!" "You want me to do what?!" Wouldn't you or anyone here begin asking, with utter shock, "Are You sure Lord??!" So what do you make out of this Andrew? Or anyone who is interested in joining this topic of discussion. For me, it just goes to show that God is Soviergn over everything. This means that if He wants to change His Law, He has not only the right for it is His Law in the first place, but He can and does change whatever He wants. He is God Almighty! And yes I know that Scripture also says the He changes not. And I'm sure HE doesn't. But...HE CAN change anything else HE wants. How do we creatures come to think that somehow He can't change the 4th commandment. Or all of them for that matter. He is God Almighty. He reigns, not His creation. For we have it in Scripture, written by John in chapter 5:18. "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him; NOT ONLY WAS HE BREAKING THE SABBATH, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God." NIV To me Scripture is very plain, He was BREAKING the Sabbath. At least that's how I read it but perhaps you may have a different slant on this. Slant or no slant, it is plain english. I don't believe John would have written in such a direct way if Jesus was not actually breaking the Sabbath. If it were a case of the Jews believing, due to their man made traditions, that Jesus broke the Sabbath, I'm sure His beloved John would have told us that this was the case. However, in reading the context, I believe what John wrote, Jesus was breaking the Sabbath. Well, I've gone all over the place as no train of thought must be in me tonight but it sure is good to have a place to voice my thoughts, or type them anyhow. Okay, go ahead, put me on the hot seat (ouch!)..hehehe :) Hopefully, this will start some conversation because I think we all need to think things out with others from time to time. I read Scripture and find all kinds of these things that just blow me away. What a great letter from our Lord, His Word. Wowza! Lord be with you always. DtB (the very diamond, just in the rough) | ||
| Sabra |
Hosea wasn't called to sin, he was called to marry an adulterous wife-therefore, she was the sinful one, not Hosea. This story represents Israel's relationship to God. Jesus didn't break the Sabbath per say--He said "I am Lord, even of the Sabbath" He said, "The Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath" He wasn't called to worship himself, He was the creator of the Sabbath and it was made for man, not for Him. Now, if you can tell me why in the world we have to know that Lot got drunk and slept with his daughters, I will be most thankful for an explanation of that one! | ||
| Jtree |
Sabra, A very thought out discussion resides on this forum under topics, and in the following name of Dear Adventist Friend series,written by a friend here, by the name of Max. Entitled JESUS BROKE THE SABBATH. GO and read it, Max quoted John 5:16-18, and in this quote, the beloved Apostle John said that Jesus broke the Sabbath. Now I ask you kindly to read that section of the forum and come back here and tell me, what you may have prayerfully read. John 5:16-18 16 doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted Him. 17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Hello Sabra, Let's say that I fell in love with a man who was married but was sleeping with other women and I knew he was married, but I married him anyway. Would that be sin? I say yes. I would be committing sin. Not only for marrying a man who is already married but then having intimate relations with him. What do you think? I'm really curious as to how some would think of this particular book of Hosea. As to Lot and his daughters, I'll go and reread that account but I don't recall any involved in that matter being told to do so by God Almighty. If I'm in error, please correct me. By the way, there is a reason that happened. Discoveries later to come. In the meanwhile, why did Noah get drunk? And why was his nakedness shameful? As I recall, the prophet Isaiah was pretty near naked for a few years while prophesying. Again, if I'm in the wrong, I'm open for correction as this is a great way to learn for me. I haven't read that account for quite a long time so there is ample room for me to be remembering incorrectly. Anxiously hoping to hear more on things like these that are written in Scripture. All these accounts in the Bible have a spiritual insight for us to learn. This is one thing I'm finding out anyhow. May peace forever remain with you. God Bless you much! DtB, your sister in Christ Jesus | ||
| Sabra |
Jtree- I read the post, and I think you misunderstood me, I am aware that Jesus broke the Jewish Sabbath, but what was the Jewish Sabbath? From the foundation of the world it was meant to be Jesus, right? They never accepted that and therefore, were caught up in the ritualistic meaning of it and missed the spiritual meaning. Because of sin, the Law came, and it was to point to Jesus. So, when He came to this world, He was our Saviour/rest/Sabbath. How could He sin against Himself? If He DID break the law, He sinned, but He said He was Lord (creator) even of the Sabbath (physical, jewish Sabbath). To break the Law was sin, Jesus didn't sin, we know that, He was above the Law, He was the law, He created the law. I think I'm talking in circles, but what I mean is He was the fulfillment of the very law He created, so He didn't break it, He was the fulfillment of it!But from the Jewish perspective He did break it because they did not know Him. | ||
| Sabra |
Denise, Does Hosea say Gomer was married? She was a harlot and had some children but I don't think it says she was married. The story is to represent the restoration of Israel-the harlot. I should go back and read it all, but I understand it to be that Israel was Jesus' first love, she betrayed Him but He still loves her and promised to restore her. Hosea loved Gomer even though she was not faithful but eventually she was restored to him after he paid a lot of money to get her back from one of her lovers. It is a direct parralel to Israel and God. About Lot, I know he wasn't told by God to sleep with his daughters, I just haven't found a reason for the story. I'm sure it has some significance or it wouldn't be there. I learned very recently why Noah was drunk, but now I can't remember.....it signifies Canaan being cursed I think, has to do with nations being cursed and blessed. You can tell I'm no Bible scholar! Colleen, help us out here! I do have one final one, Cain took a wife out of Nod, now where in the heck was Nod and was she not his sister? Are we not all decendents of Adam and Eve? | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Hello Sabra, Good to hear from you again and also to know that you delved into Scripture to correct me. Thank you. You are absolutely right in that the Scripture does not say that Gomer was married. I stand corrected and thank you for this blessing as it also makes me go back and re-read. As to the spiritual significance of this marriage, you are right. This shows us God's Love for us. Even when we are unfaithful, He is faithful. I started chuckling over the land of Nod as I have no clue where that was or is. But since Adam and Eve are the original two people, I have to believe that the wife that Cain took was a relative. Now if she was a sister, or aunt or cousin,,,,this, I don't know. Oh also, have you read what the names of Hosea's children mean? That is very interesting and inspiring too. As to Lot and his daughters, I will eventually get to putting on here, the reason that had to happen. Like yourself, I'm not a scholar either and this is why I was hoping for people to be involved in this discussion. There are many people posting and many lurkers that do have all these answers, or at least a good majority of the answers and it would benefit all of us if someone would enlighten the rest of us. Colllleeeeennn! Where art thou? :) We could sure use input from any and all. Again Sabra, I hope to continue sharing some thoughts and let's pray that others come into this discussion with questions and answers. This could really be fun. May many blessings abound toward you in Christ Jesus. your sister in Him, DtB | ||
| Snowdove |
Hi I would like to give my thoughts on the subject of Lot and his daughters. I believe there are a two reasons why Lot sleeping with his daughters are in the Bible. First you will notice it was not Lot's idea. Actually in Genesis 19:30-35 it was the oldest daughter's idea for her and her sister to sleep with their father to "preserve the lineage" of their father. They tricked him. Now to me I believe this show a spiritual side of people. There are people who physically pure (virgin/do everything right) but not pure of heart. If his daughters were pure of heart they would of trust God to find them a husband to continue the lineage of their father. But instead they were worried that they would not find husbands so they got their father drunk and lay with him. The outcome of this was two sons were born which became two nations: Moab and Ammon (Genesis 19:36-38) These two nations are two of many nations that the Israelites defeated through the Grace of God to get to the promise land. Also they were the nations that continued to be one their enemies. So to sum it up 1) This is a spiritual side showing that you can physically be pure but it is your heart that will defile you if you are not also pure of heart.(trusting God) 2) It is also a history lesson to show us were these two nations came from so when they are introduced in Numbers we are aware. I hope that I have help out for I am no scholar or very fluent with words but this is my belief. May the Spirit of the Lord guide you always Your sister in Christ Snow Dove | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Ahhh, Blessings on your head Snow Dove! Exactimundo! Both are so applicable. I wonder if there is anything else regarding this account? hmmmm,,,,I'm always a wonderin' :) Sitting here praising God that you have entered in and given some insight to these accounts. This is the stuff that I read and then start questioning why it is in the Scripture. Which of course leads to a series of studies to find the answer. And although I can't always find a clear answer, the Lord has put this site up so we can share what we know. Isn't He a Great God, Full of Mercy and Grace?! Snowdove, about Noah and that event, do you have any light pertaining to that account. Anything. Let's exchange what we have gleaned from Scripture (with the Holy Spirit forever teaching us of course) and then we all can have a more understanding or of what Scripture is trying to teach us. Another one I think is amazing is the account of Abrabram taking Isaac to the mountain for a sacrifice. There are many many spiritual insights to that one! Notice in that account that Abraham comes back down the mountain but my question is,,,where's Isaac? We next see Isaac in Scripture doing what? Marrying. Amazing. Does anyone else notice these things? Silly question as I'm sure that anyone reading Scripture will every now and again, stop, scratch their heads and say "what?" or "but what about??....". In short, every word of the Bible is there for a reason and every word of the Bible that is not there is for a reason. It is afterall, God Breathed/Inspired. Again, thank you Snow Dove and God's blessings be with you always. your sister in Christ Jesus, DtB | ||
| Colleentinker |
Thanks, Snow Dove! Lot's daughters did produce the fathers of the Moabites and the Ammonites. And do you remember the famous Moabite in Jesus' lineage? Ruth, the wife of Boaz (the son of Rahab the Jericho harlot, by the way!), whose son was Obed, the grandfather of David! As for Noah, I'm not completely sure why we have his "drunk" story unless it was to give us an idea of the origin of the nations. Ham, the one who saw Noah drunk and naked, reported the sight to his brothers who covered Noah by entering his tent backwards. When he awoke, Noah cursed Ham's son, Canaan. It's not clear exactly why he cursed him. There are a couple of conjectures. One is that Ham was being punished for disrespecting Noah and maybe even doing something innapropriate to him. (The New Bible Dictionary by Inter-Varsity Press) Another explanation suggested in the study notes of the NIV Study Bible is that Noah cursed Canaan instead of Ham not for Ham's sin, but because he knew Canaan would be even more evil than Ham (Lev. 18:2-3, 6-10) Canaan, of course, was the father of the Canaanites whom the Israelites later subjected when they took over the land. The lesson for me in these stories, besides the (quite fascinating!) history of the people we know about, is that God is sovereign, and he included the unlikeliest people in his story of his interaction with mankind. The people in Jesus' lineage were not all pure according to Jewish law. There were gentiles and sinners, and absolutely nothing recommended them to God for inclusion except his sovereign choice and love. Just like us! Praise Him! Colleen | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Well Hello there Colleen! :) Thank you for adding to the knowledge and delivering such Truth. I find it amazing when seeking these things out just how sovereign our Great and Awesome and Faithful God is! And Boaz was the 'kinsman redeemer' to top all the other insights coming out, here on this forum. Absolutely amazing isn't it? Blessings always to yourself, Richard and your sons. Infact, also your aminals :) In His Hands Forever and ever, DtB-your sister in our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ P.S. I miss the FAF meetings :( | ||
| Colleentinker |
Hi, Denise! It's good to have you back online! Thanks for your insights! |
