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Jerry (Jerry)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 11:09 am: |     |
Say, Denisegilmore, I have a crazy idea.
Maybe, instead of removing cult books, if you can afford it, have several ěrubber stampsî made with something like this on each:
THIS PUBLICATION IS FROM A CULT:
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST
(or JW, or LDS, or whatever)
FOR MORE INFORMATION
THAT THIS PUBLICATION DOES NOT EXPLAIN
GO TO WWW.(A-GOOD-EXPOSITORY-WEB-SITE).COM
Then stamp it on the front cover, the first page of the main body, somewhere in the middle, the last page, and the back cover.
Then leave them in the library.
It might not be a good idea, but it would be interesting if it were possible. |
Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 3:30 pm: | |
Lydell,
Not to be off subject but had to testify in my case of being a "drunk."
I wasn't going to Church at all during the entire time I attended AA. Infact, wouldn't dream of it at that time.
But my life consisted of 3 AA meetings per day and on Sunday 4 meetings. One day, my sponsor took me to her home and said "Denise, ya know, there's life outside of AA." That concept hadn't occurred to me and I was shocked! But Church did not enter my mind until 3 years later.
I've now 6 years, 9 months and 13 days today. But then, who's counting?? 
Praising God for what He did!
But for the Grace of God.....
Blessings,
Denise |
Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 3:33 pm: | |
Jerry,
Now that's a great idea! And one I can afford which is a big plus.
Thank you and God Bless you for that idea.
Denise |
Susan_2 (Susan_2)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 6:37 am: | |
When the Adventists refer to the Christians being persucated in the last days, do they ever use those words to mean just that? That Christians will be persucated? Or, do they only use those words to refer to SDA's who they think will be persucated because they won't take the Mark of the Beast? I just had a small discussion recently with my mom on this. I kept telling her it says the Christians will suffer persucation and that it also says not to worry too much about it because the Christians will have the Seal of God. But, she told me that the word Chistians in the Bible means only Sabbath-keepers because one can't be a REAL CHRISATIAN unless he/she keeps Sabbath. Well, the conversation just comes to a halt at that point. And, one more question-how come SDA's when they use the term "Sabbath-keepers" only are referring to themselves? They do not include in that term any other groups or denominations that also observe the Seventh-day. I have a book put out by the Bible Sabbath Association of the names, addresses and a breif description of LOTS of Sabbath-keeping groups in the U.S. You know, up in Minnesota there are Sabbath-keeping Lutheran groups? There are 7th-day Catholics? Nearly every denominaton has it's small offshoots of 7th-day observers. The strangest one though is a church down in the Deep South somewhere where they practice rattlesnae handing in church to test their faith. The women aren't allowed to wear their hair in brades because Paul says not to. The women go out to their menstruation huts during their "unclean" times and after giving birth even stay isolated from the rest of the family (I hope with the baby so he can nurse it) for 40 days. They follow just about every rule you can find in the Bible. Even that obscure test somewhere in the O.T (Numbers?) that says womens clothes should always be adorened with a blue fringe. Anyway, when SDA's say the term "Sabbath-keepers" do they EVER include any others besides theselves? |
Lydell (Lydell)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 7:08 am: | |
Denise....many congratulations! |
Colleentinker (Colleentinker)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 5:32 pm: | |
Denise, Congratulations again!
The Adventists-and-persecution idea is interesting. Richard talked just this week with a really conservative Adventist who simply didn't believe him when he told him that Christians are currently being killed for their faith in large numbers around the world. "Everybody loves Evangelicals," this person said with some scorn.
I believe that reports of Christian persecution are seen as precursors to the real time of trouble when those who stand for God by keeping Sabbath in the face of the international Sunday law will be persecuted for their faith.
I praise God that He is faithful and will not let us out of his hands. As the angels said about 2006 years ago, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace to men on whom his favor rests!"
Colleen |
Dennis (Dennis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 3:55 pm: | |
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!
While our Adventist friends and relatives (including the Adventist Review, etc.) repeatedly use and prefer greetings like "season's greetings" or "holiday greetings," may we all have a blessed Christmas. The baby that everybody wanted arrived in Bethlehem about 2,000 years ago; namely, baby Jesus.
My wife, Sylvia, has been to Bethlehem. She reports that all who enter the low-arched entrance to the supposed site beneath the Church of the Nativity, automatically bow as they enter the historic manger site.
WISE MEN STILL SEEK HIM! LET US ADORE HIM!
Dennis J. Fischer |
Freeatlast (Freeatlast)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 5:21 pm: | |
For those interested in random ramblings, it occurred to me that the term "Seventh-day Adventist", when interpreted literally, refers to the second coming of a seventh-day Sabbath. How ironic... |
Doug222 (Doug222)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 5:30 pm: | |
Free at Last, that is so funny--and unfortunately, so true.
Doug |
Janice (Janice)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 5:55 pm: | |
For Freeatlast--I love everyone's input here at the forum. Here is, as they say, my two cents worth on the subject you just mentioned here on Wednesday, January 29.
In some studies on the Sabbath and grace, etc. I found that if a day is as a thousand years to the Lord that we should consider counting the time in this formulation:
From the beginning until the flood= 2000 years
From the flood until Christ was born= 2000 years
From Christ until presently= 2000 years
This time spans 6 days or equal to = 6000 years
Jesus will reign over the Jews
while Satan is bound and the
Lion lies down with the Lamb = 1000 years
This is the holy sabbath laid out plain and simple, also, consider that the Lord said that his people would be scattered but in the last days will return to make their home in Israel and it all culminates in the Middle East where our troops are at this very moment. Note, they will say peace, peace, then sudden destruction will come. As Christians, we are all indwelt by the Holy Spirit and he promises never to leave us or forsake us, so, in light of this great truth, consider that he who letteth will let until HE (the Holy Spirit) is taken out of the way. Then will that antichrist be revealed. It is the time of Jacob's trouble, meaning the house of David or "Israel". I have hope in my salvation and how sad to hear SDAs speaking about fleeing to the mountains to hide and be sought out with satellites and all that nonsense. When will the SDAs see that God has not finished his dealings with his wife-Israel? We are the bride of Christ awaiting the call to the wedding supper. My SDA sister simply cannot understand what I am saying here, she chooses to call me.....well, for anyone interested, I will send a personal e-mail attachment to them if they request it when both her letter and my reply. I did an entire study on the book of I John and prayed for her to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to her what was being said and she in turn has cut me off, saying that "I" twist everything. Sorry sis, that isn't my game. I know where my help comes from and count it all joy when I am persecuted for his name's sake. Hang in there everyone, hang on to the vine and let out that gospel yell for all to hear while we swing over Hell with a water pistol mentality!!! God love you and bless you all. Good night, Janice |
Sabra (Sabra)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 6:43 am: | |
Janice, I just did a huge study on Israel for my SDA Dr. correspondant, who by the way didn't reply so it was either really good or really bad. I can't not believe their position on Israel. Replacement theology went out about 1948 when Israel became a nation again and about the only denominations I could find still teaching it are Roman Catholics and SDA's. Didn't I tell you they are just alike? If you want, I can email it to ya along with all of the scriptures I sent him regarding Israel's prophesies being fulfilled now.
sabrastone0539@msn.com |
Freeatlast (Freeatlast)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 12:53 pm: | |
Janice, around 1990 there was an SDA pastor (whose name currently escapes me) offering up a "theory" that this thousand year sabbath millenium was just about here and it proved that Jesus would come anytime soon after - but definitely not before - the year 2004. It all depended on exactly which year God finished creation. Apparently it had to be exact and since no human knew the exact date of the first Sabbath, that justified it as not "date-setting" since we couldn't know the exact DAY or HOUR. But, according to this happy heretic, you could know the approximate YEAR if you could figure out the Jewish calendar properly. He put out some tapes where he walked the listener through the Jewish calendar and various Scripture references. He supposedly "proved" out 2004 as the probably year, but he left a "give or take one or two years" cushion in his calculations. Sadly to say, I bit the bait at first myself. The recording was of a sermon and, as I recall, this guy was a traveling preacher who gave this series in several SDA churches. The tape series was from one of the seminars he had given. Now, the point is that the SDA hierarchy must have given him their blessing and endorsement somewhere along the line. To this day, the members of my family who are still SDA do tend to grab anything that comes down the pipe "proving" various SDA end-time scenarios, just like I used to (I remember being told in Sabbath School that Reagan and the Pope were about to "join hands across the gulf" - just as Sister White had "prophesied"). Bible codes were the latest phenomenon to victimize some members of my family. They just don't seem to be able to wait and let our Lord come when HE set the date and not waste our precious time trying to figure out exactly when that will be. |
Jerry (Jerry)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 1:24 pm: | |
Oh my goodness, Freeatlast!
Maybe his name was Willard Miller or Elton G. White.
Can you believe the double speak? ě. . . since no human knew the exact date of the first Sabbath, that justified it as not ëdate-settingí . . .î
So . . . instead of ědate-setting,î he was doing ěsetting a date.î TECHNICALLY, that is WAAAAAYYYY different. |
Jerry (Jerry)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 1:52 pm: | |
Oh, and I wonder: If the Bible is the ěGreater Lightî and the writings of EGW are the ělesser light pointing to the Greater Light,î are this personís writings the ěTiniest little light pointing to the lesser light pointing to the Greater Light?î Or maybe ěabsent truth pointing to the present truth?î
I donít know, Iím just ASKing. ;) |
Doug222 (Doug222)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 5:44 pm: | |
I can confirm what Free at Last is saying. I remember someone showing these video tapes at church a few years back. In all honesty though, it ( the person who showed the video) was a person who loved to debate controversial issues (more so than the typical SDA). That's what I wrote it off to at the time. Definitely sounded like date setting to me. I don't recall the Pastor's name either, and the video was never shown in an "officially sanctioned capacity."
As a side note, that same person (the one who showed the video) was the one who proposed the possibility that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday instead of Friday, which after further study makes a lot of sense and perfectly fulfills prophecy. |
Jerry (Jerry)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 7:18 pm: | |
Yes Doug,
I don't have any problem with the Wednesday idea, which I have heard before. Just remember that the western time construct is not always the same as the middle eastern one.
I am not saying that it is wrong or right, just keep in mind that words that mean one thing to us, are sometimes approximate translations from the Hebrew idioms. |
Gracehound (Gracehound)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
I'm in the same boat. I remember specifically that my uncle who was relatively high in the GC at the time passed a tape onto my Mom and Dad and them distinctly talking about the year 2000 to 2004 and how we better 'get ready'. I vaguely remember the term 'millennium theology' or something regarding the millennium used when they discussed it. I was younger and tried to avoid the stuff that Mom and Dad were trying to preach at the time so I too do not remember the preachers name. |
Colleentinker (Colleentinker)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 8:15 pm: | |
Gracehound! So good to hear from you! I've been continuing to pray for you and your husband. How are you?
Colleen |
Susan_2 (Susan_2)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 8:41 pm: | |
WARNING! BEWARE! THE SDA's ARE OUT TO GET YOU!!! Now that I have your attention I will explain. Today my mother told me that many people who grew up knowing the SDA teachings as well as people who converted to SDA as adults have left the SDA church and no longer associate with the church or it's other ministeries, such as the VOP, FFT, etc. As a result of those who have left the body of SDA'ism the denomination in JULY is going to conduct a big, major, BRING THEM BACK campaign. All the formers are to be tracked down by their loved ones who were smart enough to never have been led astray and encouraged to visit the local SDA church on Saturdays in July. The services will be special presentations geared to getting us fallen ones back. I'm warning you all early so you can pray about how to deal with your loved ones when the time comes. This is ample warning too s we can all get our notes in order. I'm afriad the pressure will be upon us. PREPARE YOURSELVES! |
Jerry (Jerry)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 9:08 pm: | |
Yes, indeed. All you need do is look at the official church site to see that this is an important thing right now.
http://www.adventist.org/issues/analysis.html
Susan:
I have not seen any official "campaign name."
If you or anyone hears a program title or some such externally presented designation, please post.
By the way, the article at the link is most irritating. However, what else would one expect? |
Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 1:34 am: | |
About the day that our Lord Jesus was crucified:
Luke 23:52-54
"Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus's body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid."
54 "It was PREPARATION DAY and SABBATH was about to begin."
Jesus Christ was crucified on Friday according to Scripture.
Peace.
Denise Gilmore |
Gracehound (Gracehound)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 6:07 am: | |
Hi Colleen,
My husband and I have been doing well. My job duties have changed slightly so I don't get to visit the site as much. I also needed to sort through some red flags in my head after the whole Sisphius (sp?) thing occurred on the site. I pop onto the site about once a week or so and lurk to see what's been happening and often visit to do research. I just haven't seen anything that partularly prompted me to post until recently. Thank you for your prayers. Please keep them up because we still struggle with a lot of the same issues. Thanks for asking. |
Susan_2 (Susan_2)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 7:50 am: | |
Yes, the Bible says it was Preparation Da, which woul be Friday. However, true to their inconsistancy most my kin believe the Wednesday cruisifixion theory and then a Saturday evening resurrection. They say this is just another proof for Sabbath observence as even in death Jesus rested on the seventh day. Sounds like grasping at straws to me. |
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