| Author | Message | ||
| Gatororeo7 (Gatororeo7) |
I am currently involved in a discussion of Adventist beliefs on another web forum, and after stating my initial premise about the SDA church being doctrinally false, I have posted many things in support of this. Adventists on the message board keeping bring up the subject of EGW and have stated that all the Adventist beliefs can be proved by the Bible (their usual rhetoric). I recently came to a realization about this absurd statement. No matter what prove we who know the truth of SDA can provide, one thing stands out among all the rest. If an Adventist wants to claim that all Adventist beliefs can be proved using only the Bible, let them prove Ellen White. Since Ellen White is a doctrine in Adventism, then let them prove from the Bible alone that she was both inspired and that her writings are "a continuing and authoritative source of truth". As you and I both know, that backs them up against a wall, but its just not in the Bible. If you can prove just one of the 27 false, then its open season on all the other 26. Praising God for His grace! Joel | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
Just a thought-my SDA kin as well as my JW kin say they can prove everything the believe from the Bible. Both groups have rewitten the Bible to agree with their beliefs ather than make their beliefs agree with the Bible. BTW, I, too, believe EGW was inspired. The "Evil One" also inspires. The word "inspired" in, of an by itself does not in any way imply The Holy Spiit! | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Joel, I too, am trying to defend God's Word on another forum but what I think is not easily tranferable into words when I go to type it out. Talk about frustration. And like you, in defending God's Word to the best of my ability (as feeble as that may be, in my case), I keep running into the same thing you are. Namely, egw and her sayings. late last night was having problems typing (Dystonia) and so I cut and pasted Sciptures on Judgement. Scriptures only plus my added line of happiness about them. Today, God's Words are bleeped. Simply because they came from crosswalk.com. Have I somehow misunderstood "netiquette"? For if so, I'm terribly confused about that term then. And who would have thought that GOD'S WORDS would be 'bleeped'??? That is amazing to me. Perhaps I'm just gonna quit my attempts, as feeble as they are. Not that God's Words are feeble! Rather, mine are. Blessings to you in your good fruit. Denise Gilmore P.S. Joel, here is my email address so that if you would send me the forum you are on, I would like to read. I will not to post, so not to worry, (unless of course it's on the same one that I'm on already): mygodismystrength@hotmail.com God Bless. | ||
| Windmotion (Windmotion) |
Anyone been reading Bacchiochi's newsletters lately? He's been pretty critical of Ellen White and has been criticized by Adventists for it. In one newsletter he admits Ellen made some mistakes. In another recent one, he said according to Scripture NT prophets should be exhorting the brethren not teaching and interpreting the Scriptures. This is a strong argument and a smart failsafe if you think about it. It is dangerous for someone to have both gifts, as you can see. It's one thing for someone to say, this is my opinion of this verse then to say "this is God's opinion of this verse." Anyways, read #s 87 and 88 at www.biblical perspectives.com. I wonder what he is up to? BTW Sabbath-keeping didn't come up at all in our recent meeting with my inlaws. They love the baby and want to fly us out to visit them in Feb. Oh, and we went to the Chicago museum of Science and Industry on that Saturday. And no, they didn't buy tickets in advance. | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Windmotion, Thank you for that bit of info.. I'll have to check that out tonight. I'm very happy to hear that you had a good time with your inlaws. And I'm very glad that you weren't put under pressure regarding talk of the sabbath. Isn't that wonderful?  To just enjoy each other is a blessing! Peace always, Denise, your sister in Jesus Christ | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
I tried the www address you gave and it didn't go through. Could you please check again to make sure Baccechhocie's address is correct. Otherwise, can I go to the Andrew's University address and link on to his site that way? | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Hello Susan 2, I too tried that same link but couldn't get there. But here is an address that took me right to the article #87, if that helps. Perhaps you can from there also reach the list of articles that are on his site. They are interesting and I'm still going over the #87. Copy and paste this address and see if this helps: http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/endtimeissues/eti_87.html God Bless, Denise Gilmore (I don't know how to post a link that is highlited blue) | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Bacchiochi just sent me # 92 and he is defending the IJ! He's nuts! I don't have the link but if anyone wants it you can e-mail me sabrastone0539@msn.com | ||
| Loneviking (Loneviking) |
I can tell you that you are going to have really tough going defending Bible truth on any SDA oriented forum. The reason it is soooo tough is that they don't believe that the Bible is the literal, inerrant Word from God. SDA's believe in 'thought inspiration'----which means that God inspired their thoughts and then man did the best they could with them. This is the same argument they use to defend EGW's plagerism. They say that she had to use other sources to explain what God showed her because she only had a third grade education. This approach to the Bible is the reason why when the Bible is so clear, the SDA's will say 'well, that's really not what it means'. Because they believe the Bible is thought inspired, they either need an authority to interpret (EGW), or they use textual criticism to evaluate the Scripture. That's why SDA'ism has the very conservative and very liberal existing at the same time in the same denomination. So, I wish you both luck in defending the Bible, but I came to the conclusion that doing so was a huge waste of time for me and I've pretty much quit doing that on the forums. Bill | ||
| Gatororeo7 (Gatororeo7) |
Bill, Just for some clarity, the forum is a general Christian forum. A woman asked a question about Adventism and I supplied the necessary information, which then got promptly attacked by Adventists wanting proof of what I said. So I was only tyoo happy to oblige. However, they have yet to respond to any of the proof I posted in about 3 days. I appreciate your comments though, and I will keep them in mind. Joel | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
They probably wont. I'm on another christian site and I ran all the SDA's off, why? Because they simply don't have an answer that will work when confronted by real christians. They sit up in their SDA world, defending their own doubts and questions, but when confronted by bible-studying and scripture knowledgable christians, they can't argue it very long because they are wrong! Ever so ofter a new one comes along starting a topic like "Did the Pope change the Sabbath" and we start all over again, but in a year, I haven't seen any SDA last more than a month or so, they don't have any imput on subjects that interest the rest of us such as learning to live and act and love more like Christ, they aren't trying to improve their spiritual lives, just everyone else's. | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
Yes, so oten I can read something that is very clear and easy to understand in the Bible but an SDA will tell me, "Yes, that is what the Bible appears to say. However, let me explain to you what that passage means", and they will tell me it means something totally opposite than what it says. I took a class in college called Critical Thinking. I also took a class called Linguistcs, which is the study of the formation of language. Believe, an Adventist would NEVER be able to cut it in either of those classes! | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Bill, Yeah I know it's probably a waste of time. But this forum that I'm on, is not necessarily SDA. It has a mix of SDAs, former SDAs, athiest, new agers, and Christians. A little bit of everything I think, so there is alot of different types of beliefs or non beliefs. How I ended up there posting was not planned by me, just kinda happened due to circumstances here. So there I am, half the time, way under their intellectual level, trying anyhow. It won't last much longer as my brain is tired these days and my memory is .....well, let's say my memory is.....ummm ......oh darn, forgot what I was sayin'! See what I mean? <chuckle> Thanks for the post though. Peace. Denise |
