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| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Hello everyone, I found this article quite enlightening and hope that others will as well. Obviously, from the title of this thread, this is dedicated to the book of Psalms and Prophecy. Is it possible that the book of Psalms have prophetic implications? Well, here is a site that will help us all see some things that perhaps we have never noticed. Or some things this site is proposing that we disagree with. Either way, it is interesting. Here is the link below. http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articledetail.asp?Article_ID=94 Peace to all, Denise Gilmore, your sister in Christ Jesus, our God. | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
The Psalms, prophetic? YES!!!!!! Psalms 95 is confirmed in the Epistle to the Hebrews. Psalms 22 is confirmed by Jesus on the Cross. Just to name two. | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
One of my great surprises when I began to learn from non-Adventist Bible students and also began to read the Bible with new eyes was the discovery that the Psalms are prophetic, not just poetic. Amazing, isn't it?! Colleen | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
J I just want all of you to know that I really apprieciate you! Carol, Colleen, Jerry, Angie, Denise, Doug, Susan and InsiderOutsider... I know we all share the deep desire to be right with God whatever that takes. I know I am really concerned with getting it right. Yesterday, my Messianic friends (unbeknownst to me) subscribed me to a magazine from Isreal. It is all about keeping all the Laws of God. If I thought in my heart that that was really the way God wanted us to be, I would keep every Law I could, the feasts, everything... It just does not make sense to me to discount the entire NT. Then I go back and forth thinking, we'll I have misinterpreted what Paul is trying to say here. That is what the Messianics/SDA say...Paul was grossly misunderstood. Was he? Was he not? Here is my pressing question!!!! If Christ came to set the captives free (among other things) what captives did he ever set free? Each thing he did had a literal meaning and a spiritual meaning...He restored sight to the blind in reality + he was a light to those in darkness(who were blind). But when did he ever break someone out of jail? My conclusion is that we under the Law were the captives and he set us free. I posed this guestion to my husband who said, "He only set us free from the penalty of breaking the Law, which is death, not the actual 10 Commandments." Also, how in the world could you ever make the Sabbath a moral commandment? It is pure ceremony, is it not? What do you believe about this? Ok, that was more than one question! J | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Oh yea, I visited that sight. It sounds a lot like what the magazine from Isreal was saying. Did you know that they believe that since they have the Law + Christ that they are the chosen people. They completely ignore that the Bible says in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, Man or woman, etc... Very prideful people. Much like the SDA. Why does the Law do that to people? | ||
| Loneviking (Loneviking) |
Why does the law do that? Galatians says that when you attempt to keep the law you are severed from Christ and seperated from Grace. Grace-less people are not the nicest folks to be around! Matt. 27 says that at Christs' death some graves were opened, and when Christ rose from the dead these folks were resurrected as well. These are the 'captives'---from a physical standpoint. You already have the spiritual application. Pheeki, do you have the books 'Cultic Doctrine' or 'From Sabbath to Lords' day'? These two books will probably do more than any others for demolishing any last doubts you have. If you need them, I can get some for you.......... Also, pick up 'Living by the Book' by Howard Hendricks, who is a professor at Dallas Theological. This book is one of the best and easiest to understand on the subject of Bible study. Really, though, what you need is a new church where you can learn from gifted, Godly teachers and fellowship with believers who truly live under the New Covenant. It won't be easy to take that step, but you really need to do this ASAP. Bill | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
I do need a new church but I can't go against my husband. So I just sit there and read my Bible. Yes, I would really love those books but with only me working, I can't afford them right now. If you had old copies you could loan perhaps? | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
Pheeki,what do you mean you can't go against your husband?do you attend church with him?I'm just curious,not judging you or anything!!That is what my problem is with my husband,when I found the truth,I belled and he can't stand it.Anyway I was just wondering. God Bless, Angie | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Angie, I had a long post all ready to send and my computer froze so long I had to reboot!!L Anyway, I still go to the SDA church because my husband plays on the praise team almost every week and my kids still go to the SDA school and they perform there often. Plus, it has caused so much upheval in my home that if I were to pull out of attending church with them it would make everything worse. I do take my Bible faithfully (most don't) and check everything the preacher says. It is pretty cool that once you have the Holy Spirit that you can hear error! I pick up on it immediately. That really is only the minor problem. I need to quit communicating with the Messianic friends and my SDA Law-worshipping brother. They are keeping me confused. My husband is content right now to let sleeping dogs lie. I wish I could just turn my back on it all but my family is so enmeshed...You are lucky. | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
Well I don't feel so lucky.Grnted,my kids came out when I did,my husband too,But,not for the same reasons.I guess he got tired of hearing how wrong I was that I was going to Hell.He doesn't say that is why he left,he blames it on the devil,so now he does nothing except hold me responsible for all our troubles.I do miss the way we were when we went to church together,we done everything together,and he was such a different person.Just now,before he stormed out mad,he told me that he was seriously thinking about going back to church,which would be great if he would study some of the books I have or just read the Bible,without quoting EGW on everything!That's where our troubles lie,everything is 'what sister White says'and that sets me off!I can't and won't live by her rules and I sure ain't letting my kids! [not referring to you,thats just me] I guess,no I know,I'm still resentful towards them[SDA] I know that I have to get past it and move on,but right now,I'm tring to work on that too.That is good that your husband is ok with it as for your brother,I've read your posts,typical adventist.You can't win with'em!!You can't very well cut him off,so my prayers are with you.As for your friends,well thats why I have so much time on my hands now,I had to finally walk away b/c they were determined to get me back in and I just couldn't deal with it anymore.I miss them,friendship,fellowship,and just going and doing stuff for other people.But living with MY husband,reminds me everyday,why I had to let them go!!But I know that God,or I would think,would not want us to split up,so I hold on to that and the hope that oneday[I pray SOON] that Jerry will see the truth,and we will live happily ever after.Seems bleek most days,but I've got to have that to stay in this marriage.Anyway I will keep you in my prayers,just don't give up and stand firm in the words of God,not EGW!!!! God Bless | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Oh believe me, I have heard it all from my husband. His first comment to me was "you are in danger of losing your salvation if you leave the SDA church." Then in front of my kids I got "your mother doesn't know what she believes anymore." Then he told me my new covenant tapes sounded Satanic. He quotes EGW all the time. Everything I say is scrutinized by my husband and eldest daughter and if it all all can be taken the wrong way (especially towards SDA) it will be. And then they attack me when I never meant that at all! Then I have my daughter telling her teachers at school I don't like EGW and am not an SDA anymore. Then I have them allowing already baptized children to be further indoctrinated by joining this years baptismal class. (Without my permission I might add.) Then I had my husband looking suspiciously at me every time I opened the scriptures with my kids...I might read something anti-SDA. I tried to read my daughter the text that Jesus said all things are clean and she screamed at me that she didn't want to hear anything out of the Bible, she is an SDA! (out of the mouths of babes comes the truth!) Then she tells me that she can't wait to get to heaven the first thing she will do is meet EGW. (Forget the Savior, the reason she is even there.) But, I held my tounge and didn't say, "what makes you so sure she will be there?" My SDA brother tells my Mom that I can't be right about salvation because I drink. My Messianic friends are barraging me with Torah! They LOVE it. They WORSHIP it. I am so sick of their propaganda I could scream but I keep hoping if I keep sending them the truth about the Gospel something will sink in. Anyway, that is a short synopsis of what has happened to me since I found the truth...but all this is nothing compared to what Christ suffered. | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
That is true,we no where near suffer as He did.I want you to know that I wasn't trivalizing[sp]your situation!I know that we all probably take some punches one way or another.I coildn't imagine my kids feeling that way and saying something like that!And your right,maybe you can plant a seed,that is what I pray for my husband!!Anyway,I just found a new site and thought that I would pass it on to you.I know I just copied some stuff off of it for my husband,tring to plant that seed!! Angie www.xsda.net | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Thanks, I wasn't offended by anything you said. I am trying to study the Greek words for Nomos nomos and Entole entole. As far as I can tell Nomos stands for Law, while Nomos stands for commandment. I haven't quite figured out the difference. Is there any other word I should be looking for to help me understand the Law of Christ vs. Moses? Help anyone!J | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Pheeki, My computer freezes all the time on me. Just copy your post and put it in a draft or on word pad and then re boot. When you come back up you can copy and paste it to the forum. I do it all the time...  Hey, I have a question about that word nomos, where is it in the NT? | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Pheeki, I just lost my post that I was about to send to you concerning what you said about not going against your husband, but I wanted to remind you of something that the word says about obedience of a child, children are to obey their parents, so, does that mean that if our parents tell us to sin that God means for us to obey? Just some food for thought, and having said this, study out what God says about being a submissive wife, this particular chapter is to be taken as an analogy of the relationship of God and his love for his church to that of a man showing honor to his wife. I would ask how much respect is your husband showing you by resisting the gospel and ask also if you think that this is the way that God would treat his church? If this part of the chapter can't be related to in the right light then the submissive part of the text concerning the wife can't be placed in proper perspective either, can it? I don't want to offend you in any way but may I suggest that you could gently tell your husband that you have made the decision to search for a Christian church that teaches the "true" gospel based solely on the word of God and would pray that he would have the desire to be "equally yoked" in this endeavor? Refer him to that particular scripture verse found in 2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? I believe that if this didn't work, along with faithful prayer of course, that I might try to show him this verse of scripture: 1Cr 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace. I would then tell him to sit down and discuss this important verse of scripture together and ask him if he would like to consider the weight of that verse. (I am in no way suggesting that you threathen divorce but rather tell him that this has got to be settled so that you two can get on with your lives, either together and equally yoked or separated with no obligations to remain together if no change can come out of this situation.)After all, we are told in 2Cr 13:11 ...Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of (one mind), live in (peace); and the God of love and peace shall be with you. It is very hard to go through a divorce, been there and done that twice, but now I am equally yoked with a wonderful husband that loves it that I am studying God's word. We help eachother to grow when we are in one accord. It just hurts me so deeply when I read about husbands and wives not getting along, especially when it is concerning who you will serve, even worse when you both claim to be Christians. Didn't Joshua say something like: as for me AND MY HOUSE, we will serve the Lord? Matthew 17:5 states: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him...this suggests that God gave all authority over to Jesus and we are to obey HIS commandments. I believe that the gospel according to John (Chapter One)is very clear on who created everything in the first place, so, why not honor Jesus as Savior as well and our creator, after all, scripture says that Jesus didn't mind saying that he was equal to God and even stated in scripture "before Abraham was, I am" so this is why I tend to get all bent out of shape when the SDAs keep wanting to elevate God and the Ten Commandments while downplaying Jesus (called Immanuel--meaning God with us) and putting him almost out of the entire picture, it is like Jesus is more of a shadow than anything else, they don't even honor him on Easter Sunday, how Christ-like is that? The SDA churches that I went to with my mother and sister didn't even sing about the "blood" nor did they even call on a "preacher" to preach, I had to sit and listen to an "elder" tell a little story about a dragon in the water under a bridge that the children had to cross, supposedly this was to be my analogy of what Jesus did for us, my "gospel message of the day" because after the story, he went into a verse or two of Bible scripture but turned right around and said that WE couldn't understand what the scriptures meant but then said "let me TELL you what EGW has to say about it from her book 'The Great Controversy' and I guess that was when I covered my mouth to supress a snicker and my husband was trying very hard not to make any eye contact with me because I am sure that we would have both lost it had we given in to the temptation, but we are called to admonish with Christian love and entreat the ignorant as we would a loved one, so we held our peace and tried not to embarrass my family. I shouldn't admit it to you guys but confession is good for the soul--my husband and I both had to laugh about the service just to keep from crying. To make matters worse, my mother said that my sister had asked her if we had enjoyed the service. I thought I would just draw blood right then and there from biting my tongue to keep from REALLY PREACHING a sermon to my mom. I have learned though that it is very thin ice out there in that SDA ghetto of Jude's dream that was mentioned. I was about to think that the guy wrapped up like a mummy was going to turn out to be Jesus!!! Glad I got to read this dream because I was going crazy looking in my concordances and commentaries looking for a dream in the book of JUDE!!! Glad to get that straight, ha, ha. I knew it didn't sound right when I read it but hey, I am human and always learning some new insight from the word. I hope that you all are studying too. I hope that you will all look at that booklet on the web that I mentioned last night. There are many good study aids at that site and I have printed several of the books and taken them to work to have to read during breaks. Guess I need to get out of the forum for the night, at least tomorrow is Friday. I will be taking off at lunch and headed to the hospital for tests to see if my gall bladder is acting up or if it's my ulcer getting worse, I have had a lot of pain in my side and a lot of gas buildup with hiccups almost everyday, hopefully it is just acid reflux--he changed my medication, maybe that will help. Anyway, I hope that Pheeki can see my sincere concern over her dilemna and hope that something I said might help the situation. Pray, pray, pray. Love ya, Janice P.S.--The word nomos isn't in the Bible unless you may have spelled it wrong, at least according to the Blue Letter Bible. God bless. | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Colleen, Just wanted to say in closing tonight that Psalm 22 is just about as prophetic as you can get when it comes to showing the crucifixion. I believe that this book is just like many of the other prophecy books, meaning that a lot of it has a double meaning. Sort of like history repeating itself in a way. An example would be found in the book of Revelations, and I want to speak on it more when I have time but keep in mind for now that the seven churches were actual churches of John's day and he did send those letters to each of them but it is also speaking of the seven churches through the church era. I believe that we are living in the church age of the "lukewarm" church that is trying to please everyone and offend no one, they have no sound doctrine as many of the churches that are growing daily in this era. Too many social clubs are formed instead of churches and some even have gone so far as to do away with our official title as "church" and instead are being referred to as "Community Centers" or "Fellowship Clinics" it makes me sick that we are so wishy-washy these days to the point that we are truly "lukewarm" I wish we could get on fire again for God but scripture indicates that this is to be expected but remember too that "this too shall pass" AMEN Talk this weekend, Janice | ||
| Loneviking (Loneviking) |
Pheeki, I can send you copies of those books, no charge. E-mail me at 'the5scotts@earthlink.net' and let me know your address. As for finding another church, I'm not saying stop attending with your husband. Instead, do what a lot of us did and that was to attend both Saturday and Sunday. Give your family time to calm down while at the same time finding a new and grace filled church to anchor your soul too. It may take a couple of years to reach the point of going only on Sunday, but eventually you'll get there. Just be patient and stay in the Word. Bill | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
By attending the SDA church with my family, I have not been devisive. I think the Devil wants our families divided by any means possible. I am chosing to put my faith in God that he will fix all this, in his time not mine. I apprieciate it so much that I am in your thoughts Janice. Thanks for the long reply and the scripture. I prayed for two years for a good husband and a good father for my daughter. The Lord told me that my husband was the one. He didn't know it at first, but I did. I know the Lord chose him for me for a reason and I would not be as far in my spiritual walk if it wasn't for him. I went up and down over the years with God and he my husband stabilized me. He brought me back in to the church (albeit a faulty one) but still got me on the right track. (they stressed the Law, which pointed me to Christ.) Now perhaps it is my turn to lead him. Keep us in your prayers. Thanks. | ||
| Muddywaters (Muddywaters) |
Hi Pheeki, Interesting that you say that about leading your husband because for a long time after my painful divorce, I wanted a man to take hold of my hand and help me run free and feel the wind in my hair and rain on my face and kind of become children again and soak in life. I wanted someone to teach me how to play and not take life so seriously and to finally laugh again. You know what? He gave me a husband who is so uptight and spooled up all the time, a hard on himself perfectionist, and it has been occuring to me lately that perhaps God sent me to him to take him by the hand and help him do all those things that he has surely been too high strung up until now to enjoy. Boy the Lord works in mysterious ways for sure. | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Pheeki, I too believe that it was God that led Mike and me towards eachother and helped get us reacquainted after all these years. It had to be a divine intervention that my hairdresser friend, whom I had known for many years, had moved back to Georgia from living in Heflin where my daughter-in-law was living, my daughter-in-law was with me at the hair salon and pregnant with my first grandbaby and everyone was talking about me spoiling it and then when Shirley found out she was from Heflin, she chimed "that's where I live now but I am moving back to Georgia." We got into this big conversation as to how she came to move there, she had been dating Mike's brother for several years and thought that by moving nearby that it would prompt him into wanting to get married, it didn't work because my brother-in-law is one of those many men that just got burned one too many times and after being my brother-in-law for over five years--he is still single by the way. The conversation led to me asking her over for a single's dinner with some single friends of mine and after finding out who her boyfriend was, I asked if he was related to a guy that I went to school with and it turned out that he was indeed the brother of my present husband. She suggested that I invite Mike to the dinner which I did and the rest is history as they say. I couldn't believe how sweet this man was and after confiding in eachother that we were not living for God and both knew better (both of us were saved in the Baptist faith and at about the same time)and we decided that we both needed to get busy in our church attendance and such and here we are five years later and wondering why God loved us enough to bring us together like he did. I was married to my first husband for over 18 years and the closer I tried to get--the farther away he ran, the second husband "appeared" to be the answer to my loneliness and did in fact treat me like a queen during our seven years together, but he was a compulsive liar, false preacher, porno addict, and thief who left me after we filing bankruptcy and lost everything. These are only a few of his deep, dark secrets that only came to light after the wedding vows were spoken. I felt like that he was punishment for having left my first husband, but I don't even want to think about that now. God moved my second husband out of the way and I was so glad to be freed of him and knowing that it wasn't me that made the first move helped me to pick myself up and dust myself off and get back to the game of life. My mother warned me not to get out of church like I did after the first divorce, but did I listen to mama? NO, and I paid dearly for it too because, believe me, a child of God is chastened by their father, I am proof of that fact. The husband that abandoned me 6 1/2 years ago, before leaving went to our church and repented and asked to be rebaptized and then left me high and dry two weeks later without even a goodbye note. He was a false teacher, I won't even give him the honor of referring to him as a preacher like he professed to be, I told him that if he was a preacher--the woods were full of them. Love is so blind sometimes and lonliness can make you desperate which leads to Satan planning his counterfeit of the real thing. That was why I wanted you to know that I wasn't suggesting divorce. I believe that unless a man is beating a woman or mentally abusing her, I think that God truly blesses those that can abide by staying with their husbands, scripture even teaches that fact. My sister, the SDA, even sent me a book on "Taking The Deadlock Out Of Wedlock" and it may or may not have come from the SDA library, I don't know, but it was a very good booklet that you might want to check out, I don't believe that EGW had anything to do with the making of it. I thought that it was interesting too that after posting to you last night, I read another booklet today that was all about knowing how to make the right decisions. This web site: http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/ds/topics.html has all kinds of great books on all kinds of subjects (all Christian answer books for anyone wanting to study) and even has a study series if you want to check it out. I will continue to pray for you and your situation, and I think that it is wonderful that you are choosing to stay in church with your husband, maybe this will show him your willingness to cooperate and can lead into the other suggestion that was made to you, see if he is willing to "shop around" for a church with you on Sundays. I know everyone probably thinks that I am a secret spokesperson for the web site that I keep mentioning but I really do believe that the site has been a God-send to me and helped me in finding many answers to my questions, so having said that, I will mention that you can go to the site and check the topical listing and key in the dialog box "How To Recognize A Good Church" and maybe you can print it out so that you and your husband can honestly sit down with God's word in front of you and check out all that this booklet has to say about what a good church REALLY is. God bless you in this venture, just pray and let the Spirit lead you and don't let one church gain your attention too quickly before checking out what God has to say about it. I am looking forward to hearing how this goes. Love you and God bless, Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Sorry Pheeki, But I am very well known with all my friends for being one of the longest winded people in the world, in person as well as on the Internet. My preacher even said that he always put my e-mail in a private file so that he could sit down and read it later, when he had plenty of time, ha, ha. I am not one that knows how to paraphrase anything. My first husband used to cut me off at the pass when I began relating stories to him and would say "could you please just make your point!" My baby sister is the same way only she rolls her eyes back in her head and makes those short grunting noises like "augh, augh, augh" or something like that, some sounds just can't be written out!!! I was incredibly shy when I was growing up with such an over powering father figure and weak-kneed mother and being the oldest of three girls, well, it was certainly a life of mixed emotions to say the least. Ever hear the expression "between a rock and a hard place" or d##### if you do and d##### if you don't? I have led a very confusing life but have found out down through the years than we have all truly come from dysfunctional families. There is no such thing as the ideal family that TV portrayed in weekly series like "Father Knows Best" and "Leave It To Beaver" or "Lassie" (I even read that June Lockhart was an alcoholic that came to the set drunk on many occasions and the boy, Timmy, would hit Lassie in between the filming of the scenes)and I always felt cheated somehow because I really believed that these families depicted what the real family was supposed to be like. Enough of me and the reminiscing of days gone by. A friend once told me this: Yesterday is like a cancelled check that is already spent and tomorrow is merely a promissory note. Today is cash and should be spent wisely. So, like the sign said "Let's Live Today Like We Will Stand Before God Tomorrow" because we just might be doing that you know! Janice | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
muddywaters, I too married for Adventist status the first time. Isn't that ridiculous! I didn't marry for money or security but for SDA acceptance- very warped. Janice, I know you weren't suggesting divorce and thanks for all your advice. |
