| Author | Message | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Pheeki, You want to give up!??? Ah no....what you are experiencing is the Christian walk. Here, listen to Paul as he felt somewhat like you are feeling: "We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed." 2 Cor. 4:8-9 Keep reading that and see the outcome! It's great stuff. In this walk, Jesus never promised us a bed of roses, no rather, He told us we would be persecuted and slandered etc. Hear Peter and what he has to say: "Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you." "But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His Glory is revealed." "If you are insulted because of the Name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of Glory and of God rests on you." "If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler." "However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but Praise God that you bear that Name." "For it is time for judgement to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the Gospel of God?" "And, "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" "So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good." 1 Peter 4:12-19 Take heart my friend and sister in Christ! We Christians are strangers and pilgrims on this earth.......However we have a HOPE and that HOPE is NOT in vain! God Himself has promised us an everlasting life of Peace with HIM! Look up! For your redemption draws near. Peace to you in Christ Jesus Name, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End! We have a home with God Himself. This is His Promise to us. DtB, your fellow sufferer in much of the same trials who takes great HOPE in my afflictions (for they are nothing compared to the Riches found in Christ Jesus, who went before us!) | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Pheeki, I know and understand your pain but I also know and glory in the same Saviour that I know you have found. I'm not going to tell you it's easy as you have found out for yourself but I will tell you, you can do and you will because you have an advocate and He will be with you. Being one in Christ is so marvelous and I know from your posts that you have been set free from the bondage and as I just told my daughter this morning how much I ache for you. As we talked I said we think we have it bad going up against one person look at what Pheeki has to contend with and I could just cry and have before for you. You were on my heart this morning as I cried out to God to help me to say the right words to those who need Your assurance. I hadn't had that kind of crying spell for some time and I praise God for it because it brings me so much closer to what He wants of me and that is to be there for those who are suffering as you are. I just wrote a letter to my son-in-law this morning as God directed me; to thank him for all the wonderful things he has brought to my life: his love for my daughter, his fathering my 2 grandsons, his wonderful fatherhood to those 2 boys, his love for me and his acceptance as a place in our family, his bringing something into my life so that I could search the scriptures and find out the truth of why I love the Lord so much. I say this because sometimes when we feel like our world is crashing God lifts us up and knowing that you are in Christ I know this will happen to you also. There is no greater feeling than to know someone else who knows and loves the Lord and I have that feeling knowing you. Strentgh to you from God our Father and prayers for your family, Carol | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Pheeki, I also want to leave the words of this song with you that as I was working this morning heard on the radio. My nephew sang it some 15 years ago as a school contest song and everyone who heard it was overcome by his presentation of it and since that time I have come to love it very much and it has much meaning for me in all situations of my life. Even though it is not a religious song and coming from Bette Middler some would wonder but I claim Ro. 8:28 for it because all things work together for good to them that love the Lord and are called according to His purpose. Pheeki: His purpose is that New covenant that your husband says is satanic. PLease lift him up to Jesus and ask for truth to replace error. The Rose Some say love it is a river that drowns it's tender reed Some say love it is a razor that leaves it's soul to bleed Some say love it is a hunger, an endless aching need I say love it is a flower and you it's only seed It's the heart afraid of breaking that never takes a chance It's the dream afraid of waking that never learns to dance It's the one who won't be taken who cannot seem to give And the soul afraid of dying that never learns to live When the night has been too lonely and the road as been too long And you think that love is only for the lucky and the strong Just remember in the winter far beneath the bitter snow Lies a seed that with the sun's(Son's) love in the spring becomes a ROSE. I hadn't heard it for a long time, but God knew I needed it today and I pray you will find strength and comfort in it also. My daughter and I talked of the spirit this morning and this is what "they" do not understand. Do you ever hear of them speak of how things such as this have happened in their lives? I say no because their is no room for such because all the place of the spirit is taken up with EGW. I only have the spirit and the Word of God and it all agrees. Love, Carol | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/otl/default.htm The Lord led me to the most awesome sight just when I was so down! It is the WW church of God and it really puts the Law in perspective. I praise God for a group of people that saw and admitted they had been in error all these years and totally changed! What a miracle. I am going to print out each Bible study for my mom! Thank-you all of you for being my friends. You are such a comfort to me. Did I mention my sister and I wrote a letter containing the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to my mother. We told her we wanted her to be with us in heaven and have the peace of God in this life. (Thanks to all who are praying for her-Jane.) Pray that is touches her heart. We will probably face ridicule for it but we decided we are not ashamed of the Gospel! | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Guys, I am really stressed out with the flood of mail I am getting that apparently my mother is having sent my way. Appears everyone who writes me knows her and they are all very blunt in telling me I'm deceived and going down a very dangerous path. My faith is not at all wavering, that's not the point but these people take up an extraordinary amount of time and I provide plain and simple scripture and they are blind as bats. I am convinced that if they even had a fleeting thought that I might be right they would reject it. Pharisees and Saducees!! The more I read myself about the Sabbath of the OT, they don't even "keep" it so why are they so hell bent (no pun intended) on insisting it's observance or whatever they call it. If they are gonna be Sabbath keepers they need to sit in their tent and eat day old manna! Why didn't the Bible plainly state what is law and what is commandment and why did the translators use commandment in place of teaching? Sigh, big vent........... | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Another Carol, thank-you. That song is very special. I thought I was the only one who sang songs on the secular radio to God. Almost any love song can be directed at God and boy does it fill your heart with gladness. You are right about talking about things of the Spirit. Even in my in-laws house (SDA preacher) when I talk about what the Lord has done for me (even simple things like...I wanted to go to the Diana Krall (jazz) concert which was scheduled for a year ago at this time. She had to cancel and it was rescheduled for last Nov. There was no way to get tickets...they don't release sold out ticket on the day of the concert on a rescheduled show... I had been praying for God to show me he was there and in my childishness I asked him to get me tickets. I kept calling but none released. So I told my husband I wanted to go downtown the night of the concert and just see what happens...if a scalper had ticket...the Lord works in mysterious ways. No such luck, no scalpers. But we noticed a man standing at a side entrance of the Hall and I said "Lets see if he has tickets." We walked up to him and it turned out he was wanting tickets too. He didn't hold out any hope but he said this is the entrance to the box office and if someone turns tickets back in it would be here. It was locked. About 30 min. prior to showtime, someone came out the door and we went in. He was first in line and we were second. Soon people were lining up behind us...the box office opened and a lady in a mink coat cut in front of us! She upgraded her seats. Then it was his turn, all they had was two box seats together. I was crest fallen. I just knew he was going to take them. I had been sharing my faith in the Lord with him while in line...He turned to me and said, "Here, you buy them. You and your husband can be together." I was flabbergasted. He could have sold one-named his price! He let me have them. Well those were the only tickets... I felt bad for him and my husband and I immediately began to work the crowd for extra tickets from people coming in. No one had any. Then the usher said, "that couple said they had an extra." We bought if for him at face value! So he got in too. Ok, this is not the end of the miracle... After the most incredible concert we decided to see if we could get backstage. We walked to the press entrance and when they opened the door for someone, we just walked in. Then the inner door got buzzed open for someone and we just walked in. I was a little nervous that we would get kicked out! Finally Diana Kralls agent (manager?) came out and asked everyone who we were...some said "Verve music" some were the press. I said, "I am just a fan!" expecting to get kicked out. He just turned around and went into the dressing room. They ushered us into an adjoining dressing room and lo and behold, there she was. She looked like she would rather be boiled in oil than talk to us. He asked everyone to introduce themselves to Miss Krall. She barely smiled or acknowledged the others. We were the last in line. By the time she looked at us, I was so overwhelmed with the goodness of God and how he cared for me...I burst into tears. She said, "oh, honey." I said "You don't know what this means to meet you!" (She really didn't!) And then she hugged me. She talked to me about 3 min. and everyone in the room had to wait! I loved it. And no one else got a hug!) Isn't God awesome. Not only did I get to see the concert but I met her!!!! I told my inlaws all this and they just looked at me. I know they think I am crazy. The SDA mentalitly probably got hung up on Jazz concert... and heard nothing else I said. | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
pheeki,I can really see where you are coming from,my husband thinks I'm satanic too.It's hard to live this way!!As for dealing with all'the others',I just had to break away from them.They were always coming at me with something that made me doubt myself,after all they KNEW the Bible better than me.Not to mention,you can't'win' an arguement with a adventist.I couldn't anyway,no matter what I always ended up looking like I was the wrong one.That's why I broke away,until I can learn the Bible verses,I see no point in getting myself all worked up.As for my house,I know I need to 'preach' the gospel more to Jerry,but I get tired of the things that he blurts-out,and truthfully at this point,we don't have much to talk about.Not only does he still believe the lie,he won't read the Bible,go to church or nothing!But yet I'm going to Hell!!!Well I vented enough,but I'm in the same boat,just don't give up!!!!I know I'm not,no matter what it costs in this ole world!! Have you read Sabbath in Crises[sp]by Dale Ratslaff??It really explains the covnets well,that also when I quit 'keeping' the sat. sabbath. God Bless!! Angie | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Pheeki, Just wanted to come down before I went to Bible study to see if you had posted. I was so glad that you had and so glad that you are feeling better. I told my daughter that you were really down and she said I know, since she reads the posts all the time. Later she said to me I hope "they' don't make her go back and I said it won't happen because I know what she has and you don't go back to bondage when you have been set free. I said from reading her posts I know she is OK. And then she said I know too, but what I think she was trying to say was what I feel and that is; again I wish you didn't have to go thru it, but even so, knowing that you will be so much stronger for it. I remember(I think I have shared this before, for give me) when this first started and my daughter sat in the family room while her husband and I talked and she was so weak and timid then. It is like night and day difference now. People ask me how she is and I say she's OK, not free from trials and burdens but OK. God will not leave or forsake you and once youv'e known that you will always return to it. I'm not saying that you will not become overwhelmed like you did today but it has happened before and it will happen again and you will not sucume, not because I say so but because God says so.Hebrews 6:4-6 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. I know by the words you speak on this form that you could never crucify your Lord again. Oh I do so know that blank look, when sharing what the Lord has done in my life, and then without the words; soooo. I will lift you up in prayer again at Bible Study. In Christ is the victory, of which I have no doubt you know, Carol | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Pheeki, I also understand those soul-shaking doubts and the blank staresóor worse, reminders that Satan can do miracles tooówhen we talk about the work of the Spirit and God's blessings in our lives. Stay in the word, Pheeki and Angie, and trust Jesus. He has brought you here, and he is dealing with your husbands, too. Remember that when we follow Christ, we take the arrows for Him. Our battles are not with flesh and blood but with the spiritual powers and authorities of the world and of the universe. We are in a spiritual battle. Our attacks are really Satan's attacks on Jesus, and as his temple, we take the blows for him. We really do share in his sufferings. You are chosen, Pheekie and Angie, and you are blessed. Jesus said your reward in heaven would be great! Colleen | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
Thanks Colleen.I have a question.What do I do with all these books by EGW? Tons of books!I don't want to put them somewhere that someone else might get a hold of them and be deceived.I can't get rid of all of them b/c of Jerry,but we have alot of doubles,triples that are in the way.I feel bab for any of them being in my house,it just feels WRONG! Tapes and videos too. God Bless, Angie | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
I asked my brother to please show me where the first covenant was made in Eden...This is his reply. To me these are curses because of sin...the real promise came to Abraham. Then he gets off on the saying if you don't believe in the Sabbath you don't believe in creation...?!?! The comments in blue are mine. The first covenant was pronounced in the Garden of Eden. The serpent shall bruise His heel but the Savior shall crush his head. This promise of the ultimate victory of Good over Evil is the basis for all covenants.The Bible clearly demonstrates when a covenant has been made, it is God saying directly "this is my covenant." He didn't say this in Eden. The need for this promise was the failure of mankind to simply follow what their Creator had asked of them. In accepting this promise we must step back into that relationship which says, if God has asked it, I will comply with it. Down through the centuries many have tried to seperate the Sabbath from God's law. However, the rock He inscribed it in still holds it beneath the mercy seat in the Heavenly Courts, and the Rock, Jesus, still retains it inscribed upon His heart. It was never a ceremonial law but was ever and is ever a part of God's moral requirements for this corner of His created Universe.What? To negate the Sabbath is to negate the seven days of creation. To negate creation is to negate the story of Eden lost. If there is no Eden lost, there will be no Eden restored. If God cannot speak a world into existence, then He cannot raise the dead. Without the Sabbath, there is no Savior and the Bible is merely a fable. That, of course, is why Lucifer has waged such battle over this hollowed ground.Is there any biblical proof of this? Are you familiar with Robert Gentry (The world renowned Geophysisist) and his discovery of Pulonium Haloes in granite. The pulonium halo has a very short life and provides indisputable proof that the granites, which are the foundation bedrocks of the planet, came into existence in less than three minutes. Did you know that the Hubble telescope has discovered the center of the Universe. Scientists have been looking at the expanding Universe through the Hubble trying to ascertain where the center of the expansion is located. They have long theorized that we are somewhere on the perimeter of the Universe because there is no evidence here of the Big Bang that they are so sure started everything into motion. Now they know where the center of the Universe is but they aren't talking about it because they don't know how to explain it. The center of the entire visible Universe is our solar system. Whatever set our Universe into motion, it started right here. That's exactly what the Bible says. It took six days and then God rested the Seventh. He says that He did something special to that day. I choose to believe Him. Jesus is Lord of that day and He says that He made it to be a blessing to man.Yes, he did call it holy but where did he say he made it to be an everlasting test of loyalty? In Revelation 14, the Bible tells us that this will be the last message delivered to a world in confusion (Babylon). To come out of confusion (Babylon), we need only believe what Jesus says. Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ.Revelation is but one book, the entire NT is reveals Christ, including almost all of the OT Again very little Scripture is involved here...it's all scientific proofs and EGW mumbo jumbo. Any comments? | ||
| Gatororeo7 (Gatororeo7) |
Pheeki, I have heard the argument that the Bible from cover to cover is a story about the Sabbath. As you may guess, that statement is in clear denial of Christ. So long as they focus on the shadow, they will never, NEVER understand the reality. This is a sad truth. If the truth sets us free, it is error that binds us. Your brother is clearly bound by error. There's no other way to put it than that. The Gospel does not center on the Sabbath, it centers on Christ. The Sabbath is but a part of the story, not the whole story. Ask yourself, did not God create EVERY DAY? Does the sun not rise and set the same way on EVERY DAY? Honestly, is there anything different about Saturday that really makes it special looking only at God's creation? And if the seventh day was created as a blessing to man, are the other six a burden to man? Just an honest question. And besides, doesnt the Bible mean what it says about "the ministry of condemnation etched on stone led to death"? Joel | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
First, you are correct about no verse about any covenant ìpronounced in the Garden of Eden.î If anything comes close, it is the command by God that Adam and Eve not eat from the tree of life. However, that is ALL that was commanded. One cannot imply anything else unless there is a verse in the Bible citing the creation or Eden and connecting it with a covenant. NO SUCH VERSE EXISTS. Second, the seventh day was not the first weekly Sabbath day where people were commanded to rest. It was the day when God rested from his work of creation. He made it holy (set it apart) but he did not command people to observe it and there is no evidence that a weekly seventh-day observance occurred until the exodus. Furthermore, there is NO EVIDENCE that God ìworkedî the next day. There is NO VERSE stating that Adam or Eve worked until the fall and expulsion from Eden. Here is an analogy. July 4, 1776 WAS NOT A LEGAL U.S. HOLIDAY. It was the day the Declaration of Independence was signed. It was a special day, but no businesses shut down; there were no parades; no fireworks were exploded; no government offices closed. That occurred later. A custom of unofficial celebrations started soon after. However, it was not a legal holiday until 1941 when Congress passed a law establishing it as a legal holiday. It was CERTAINLY the reason for the legal holiday, but it was not, on that very day, a legal holiday. We do not negate the seventh day of creation when we enter Godís rest described in Hebrews 3 and 4.
Notice that God is now speaking of ìanother day.î (verse 8) Other than what day is God speaking? The answer is: the seventh day. (verse 4) What is the ìother day?î The answer is: Today. (verse 7) We have a sabbath rest (sabbatismos), not a sabbath day (ton sabbaton), which, in context, is Godís rest (katapausis) which occurs on ìanother day,î which is ìToday.î That is the rest we ìobeyî and ìobserveî it is the rest for our soul promised by Jesus when we believe in Him.
Now, there is a TRUE REST, not a shadow! | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Pheeki, I am going to leave a lengthy post on the New Covenant. I wish I could take credit for putting it together but I can't. I want all who think this religion they have with SDA is the real thing to notice something very different about the two posts(pheekis's brother and this one). Here is the New Covenant and this is Satanic then what does that say of God's Word. I'm glad have not made that statement. The New Covenant (A Study in Hebrews) The Book Of Hebrews Is a Study About Jesus A. Jesus is superior to the Angels. Hebrews 1 1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. B. Jesus is superior to Moses. Hebrews 3 1Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. 2He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. 3Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. C. Jesus is superior to Joshua. Hebrews 4 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. D. Jesus is superior to Abraham. Hebrews 6 13When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself, 14saying, "I will surely bless you and give you many descendants." 5And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised. 16Men swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. 17Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. 19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. E. Jesus is superior to the Levitical Priesthood. Hebrews 7 11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. 13He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. Hebrews 7 18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. The New Covenant I. The Necessity of the Cross: The Dividing Line of Human History Hebrews 9 16In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep." 21In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used inits ceremonies. 22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. II. A Better Covenant Hebrews 8 6But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises. 7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and said: "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 9It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. 10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 11No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." 13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. III. A Better Sacrifice Hebrews 9 23It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Hebrews 10 5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; 6with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7Then I said, 'Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.' " 8First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). Hebrews 10 15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: 16"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." 17Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more." 18And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. NOTE: Atonement covered our sins; Christ took away our sins. IV. A Better Hope Hebrews 7 18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. 20And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever.' " 22Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. Hebrews 10 1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. V. A Better Priesthood Hebrews 7 11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. Hebrews 10 9Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. 13Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, 14because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. Hebrews 7 23Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Hebrews 7 26Such a high priest meets our need--one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. VI. A Better Promise Hebrews 7 24but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Hebrews 9 15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. VII. Conclusion-Therefore... 2 Corinthians 3 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! Under Religion Man Says Under Grace Christ Says Look at what I'm doing for you Look what I did for you Look at how I went to Church Look at how I went to Calvary Look at how I was raised in my denomination Look at how I was raised from the dead Look at how I gave my money Look at how I gave My life Look at how I confessed my sins Look at how I took away your sins Look at how I stood against sin Look at how I died for your sins Look at how I judged the lost world Look at how I saved the lost world Look at how I marched against evil-doers Look at how I suffered for evil-doers Look at how I bowed down to you Look at how I became one of you Look at how I healed the sick Look at how I raised the dead Look at how I spoke in tongues Look at how I spoke in love Look at how successful my life was Look at how successful My death was VIII. Practical Application Are you willing to put aside all form of religion in order to trust in the suffiency of Christ? Religion: Man reaching up to God with self-effort to be accepted by God. Christianity: God reaching down to man through Jesus Christ with love and acceptance. 1 Corinthians 1 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Colossians 2 8See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. Carol says, I would also like to make the statement that I have read some of The Great Controversary and what I saw when I read it is that I went for pages before I would see scripture and I cannot understand why a new book has to be written. Why can we not just use the Bible to get the answers we need. Big red flag for me. The Lord lift you up and give you peace, Carol | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
One thing I noticed is that they keep referencing 1 John 2:3 "commandments" assuming that they refer to the 10 Commandments of the OT. This Greek word "entola" 1953 is the same word used in Matthew 22:40 "All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments" 1 John 3:22 also uses this word, the same word is used in Revelation. The meaning of the word is teaching, instruction, command. Quite different from the word used in Deut 5:22 "These are the commandments of the Lord" 1821 "dabar" meaning :What is said, word, matter, thing. | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Thanks for the posts Carol and Sabra. I printed them off and will study them. I am interested in the meaning of Greek words but don't know how to use a Strong's concordance. I know you can go on line- you go by numbers? | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Pheeki, One of the best online sites is www.blueletterbible.org. You can find a verse, then click on the ìblue lettersî to the left of the verse for some back ground. The letter ìCî give you the concordance with the Strongs number and the original language words. If you click on the number, you get the definition plus all occurrences (no matter how the original word was translated in the various verses). | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
I like www.searchgodsword.org it will let you see the original greek or hebrew and has lexicon and commentaries etc...great site to study with. | ||
| Doug222 (Doug222) |
This thread has become the "catch all" thread, so I would like to resurrect (sp) a conversation from the last week--but in a different direction. Colleen, if you believe it is not appropriate for the forum, feel free to cut it off. I was listening to Christian Radio today, and there was a show (I caught it in mid-broadcast so I don't know who it was) that was advocating boycotting Big Brothers and Big Sisters for allowing homsexuals to serve as mentors for young people. They were speaking particularly about Big Brothers. They said that many times people contribute to the United Way at work and indirectly contribute to Big Brothers. They suggested that we contact United Way and tell them that we would not contribute unless they changed their policy. What are your thoughts on Christians being involved in such activities? In His Grace Doug | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
I heard the same broadcast[family life today I think]tonight.That is kind of a touchy subject!On one hand,I can see the mans point.The question is,would you want a homosexual,that you didn't personly know,mentoring your son?That is what I myself would question.Just like, I know some people that drink,they are responsible,very capable adults,on the other hand,I know some that I wouldn't leave my cat with,let alone my son.Saying that,I would have to say,If I had the choice of Big Brother or that other Christ centered program that that guy started,I would go with Quest program.There is enough danger just sending your kids to school.But I can't honestly say that I would go as far as to withhold contributions to thewhole program.Kind-of talked out of both sides of my mouth,huh?But no,I wouldn't go that far. Angie |
