| Author | Message | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Did you know that the SDA's have put out a website: www.sdsoutreach.com NOT the www.sdaoutreach.org that we know but an SDA site! I'm mad about it myself! Isn't that STEALING? Aren't there some LAWS against that sort of thing? Guess if you can't compete try DECEPTION! I'm gonna write them! | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Yeah, Sabra. Unfortunately, they will just bring up ellenwhite.org / ellenwhite.com. It is legal since the suffixes are different. The only way to stop it is to snap up all versions of a domain name as the Adventist Review did. Nevertheless, I DO understand your feelings. | ||
| Doug222 (Doug222) |
Thanks for the information Sabra. In all fairness to the SDA Church, this site is sponsored by "The Way Bible Church Online," whoever that is. It does not appear to be an officially "church sponsoored" website. Instead, it seems to be the work of an Adventist member (Aaron Robertson), who feels the need to "defend the truth." I agree that the site is deceptive. First, he has gone to great lengths to make his site look like Mark Martin's, sdaoutreach.org. Second, is not very up front about who he is and what he is trying to accomplish. I know there is a mission statement, but it is somewhat vague. I did get a kick out of this part of the mission statement:
He then goes on to defend the church, and its beliefs and practices, not the Gospel. He put an awful lot of time into defending the "rightness" of the organization, rather than pointing people to the Life giver. Nowhere on the site did I see any mention of www.sdaoutreach.org. If I stumbled onto this site, I would have no clue as to where to get "the other side of the story," so that I could make an informed decision on my own. Thanks again for sharing. In His Grace | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Well, I think I wasted enough of my time just going to look at the opening page. Gee, Doug, my favorite part is the very first line that tells us "seventh-day adventist" stands for two things. The first thing being the 7th day sabbath. Well, that pretty much nails it on the head doesn't it. FIRST they stand for the 7th day, then they get around to menitoning something about Jesus. Ahh, could this be the problem? | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Lydell, You must admit, however, that it is a much more honest statement than some others. The DAY is worshipped, not Jesus. The Sabbath is NUMBER ONE!!! Jesus is number . . . ah . . . um . . . well, I . . . erm . . . The Sabbath is NUMBER ONE!!!! And, yes, that IS the problem. | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Lydell, That was the first thing I saw too and I thought it was quite true. #1: Adventists stand for the Sabbath. It took me a while to figure out this was pro SDA! I don't know who in the world the Way Bible Church Online is, but I bet they are the SDA's OFFline. Stinky, rotten fruit! | ||
| Jeannette (Jeannette) |
Hello you all: I am new posting but have been reading this website for about 1 yr. As soon as I get home from work I boot up the computer and read the new posts. As soon as I read todays post I went to the sdaoutreach.org website and got sick to my stomach. How sad and upsetting that they diminish Jesus from being God to just being an angel? and the IJ, No real bible verses to back it up. I hope someday I will have as much knowledge of the bible as you all have. I really admire you're knowledge. You all have fed my hungry soul Jeannette | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Jeannette, welcome! Hope you will continue posting. You know, everyone has something to share, Jeannette. We are all learning and growing. Hope you will post your own thoughts much more often. | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Hi Jeanette, welcome! The .org site is the good one the .com is the SDA one, confusing isn't it? Isn't supposed to be!? Glad to hear from you! | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Welcome, Jeannette! I'm glad you're here! We're looking forward to hearing from you more! Colleen | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Ah-Ha! Another "lurker" revealed! ;) Welcome, Jeannette! Don't be too shy! | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Jeannette, Welcome to this post and please do post so that we can have fellowship with you. Not all of us like myself are former SDA's but we have some link to them. It will be interesting to hear your testimony and I pray we make you feel welcome and I pray we do that by not only sharing our trials and tribulations but also our wonderful faith in the one and only Jesus Christ. The reason I love this site and the posts so much is the warmth I feel from so many who are sharing their love for Jesus Christ. Again I say welcome, Carol | ||
| Doug222 (Doug222) |
Jeannette, Allow me to add my word of welcome as well. If you've been lurking for a year, you have a pretty good idea how things are done around here. I think you will find this site a little different than many others you may have visited. I think the most uique thing about it is the general lack of argument and debate. On most boards I have visited, the dialouge becomes downright advererial--and is certainly not very Christlike. That's not usually the case here. Its a place where you can feel safe enough explore different beliefs without fear of being attacked just because you don't happen to see things the same as everyone else. We genuinely care for one another, even when we don't agree with one other, and I don't think I am alone in saying that I have learned something from just about everyone who has contributed here. SO, don't be shy. You didn't stumble on this site by accident. Welcome to the family. In His Grace | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Welcome Jeanette. Please post your testimony, it is very encouraging to all of us to hear these stories. J | ||
| Jeannette (Jeannette) |
Thank you all for welcoming me to the forum. Pheeki since you asked, I will tell you a little bit of my background. I grew up RC until the age of 12 when my parents became SDA's (we lived in Venezuela then). I hated it when the pastor would come and give us bible studies. I was terrified of the end of time and would ask God to please not come yet. We moved to the States and I attended AUC where I met my husband. Two years after our marriage I became very ill and was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. I was told how if I was planning to go to heaven I needed to leave meat of my diet. I tried to put Councils on Diets and foods into practice and went to Yuchi Pines where they put me on such a restrictive diet that I went down to 74 lbs and ended up in the hospital with severe malnutrition. From then on I stopped trying to eat the "right" way. I purchase a Living Bible and read it from cover to cover highliting all the verses that talked about salvation and the verses that taught how we needed to act as christians. I felt the church should be emphasizing Jesus rather than all the other stuff but since we beleived it was the right church we continued attending. We moved to sunny central Fla due to my illness. The Church we were attending had a great SS where we discussed anything and everything. We had a guess speaker from Andrews who showed us that the Desire of Ages was 90% plagerized and that his research will not be printed by the Review. He also said that EGW was inspirational but not inspired. We still attended because "it is the closest church to the bible teachings". I started searching the internet and found this website and What is new on EGW website and have not gone back to the SDA church. My husband doesn't want to go back to the SDA church, he feels betrayed but he doesn't feel like going to another church and still feels that the sabbath is a rest day. Not necessarily a holy day, as we go to our granddaughters soccer practice, shopping, Disney, etc. I haven't had the heart to tell my mom that I don't beleive in the SDA church anymore. I don't want to worry her. I know she will feel that I am lost for ever for leaving the church and that would hurt her. She knows I don not beleive in EGW and don't want to hear anything about her. I am praying that God will show me how to present the beautiful truths that I've found to my mom and my sister (and her family BTW they need serious prayers). Sorry for making this so long. I tried to encapsulate as much as possible. I will try to post from now on. I just feel that I don't know enough to add my two cents in. May God continue to bless us all. Jeannette | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Jeannette, thank you for sharing your experience with us. We will be praying for you and your family. Colleen | ||
| Gracehound (Gracehound) |
Hi Guys, I went to this sdaoutreach.com website with the view that they have every right to use a somewhat deceptive name because other sites such as the ellenwhite.com/org sites are opposed to each other. However, I went to the site and was extremely disturbed by what I saw there. Check out the deceptive way they turned a text that actually contradicts their point into one that supports it by jumping out of the text half way through back to another text elsewhere that supports their point. This is no worse than a journalist interviewing someone then twisting his or her words to paint a picture: "Christ Himself said concerning the law, "I am not come to destroy." Matt. 5:17. (2) The prophet said that instead of destroying it, the Lord would "Magnify the law and make it honorable." Isa. 42:21." I still believe that they have every right to use a deceptive medium to bring people to their website. What I have a problem with is the extremly deceptive nature they of the site in their use of things such as: using a different church affiliation to look unbiased, not referencing the other site or the other side of the argument, and switching texts half way through an explanation. I'm also disgusted that given a public pulpit, folks would still choose to lead people to legalism instead of leading them to Christ. I love what Hank Hannigraff says about things like this. I'm going to butcher his words so apologies to Hank up front. He essentially says to get into the word so completely that when a counterfeit looms on the horizon it's blatantly obvious to you. Um, can you say blatantly obvious? Thank God for His word - "Read In Context with No Proof Text" | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Ahhhh!! Nothing like "reverse hermeneutics," eh? ;) | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Hi everyone, It has been a long week for me, but since I was off from work today, I thought that I would try to get caught up on some Bible devotionals and answer some e-mails that have built up all week. It sure has been hard trying to get in bed early enough to get the rest that I need to be able to take the hour's drive at 3:00 in the morning and then work from 4:00 to 3:00 in the afternoon and then drive home for another hour. It doesn't leave much time for anything else. I do thank God though that I finally got a job even though it wasn't the office job that I had studied for. Thank God for the break, I am off Monday too since they are putting in a new line at work. Mike and I went to a friend's house in Alabama last night and picked up some peach trees, plum trees, apple trees, and grape vines and have been working all evening since about 3:00 trying to get them all out. We have the fruit trees all out but still have the grape vines to put out, and we also have some small pecan trees that we haven't decided where to place yet. We have three acres out in the country here and about two-thirds of it is in beautiful rolling pasture land with yellow daffodils spotted all over it. We hope to have a horse some day, that is, if we ever get enough money to build a barn and finish up the pasture fence. It has been a beautiful evening with the perfect temperature, high 60s, for working outside. I was able to pick up some dead limbs and hope to have a bon fire next month and invite the church over for a weiner roast and maybe some homemade ice-cream. I have just come in and decided to check my e-mail and then came for a quick visit here. Welcome aboard Jeanette, hope you enjoy the visits. I thought it was interesting that I happened to find a new web site that has a daily devotional, and when I read today's devotional, well, I just had to cut and paste it in this post. The devotional is taken from Deut.18 and I decided to read the entire chapter which really was an eye opener for me. I have read these verses many times but never really considered that the prophet referred to was actually Jesus Christ. Check it out, also if you read the entire chapter, it warns about false prophets and says that they are not to be taken seriously. We certainly are not to fear a false prophet. I don't want to get on a long roll about Ms. White, she gets enough publicity here as it is, so, just check it out for yourselves. I know you will get a blessing from it. Hear is the devotional: Moses foretold: The LORD will raise up for you a Prophet (Jesus) like me from among you, from among your brothers. You must listen to Him. . . . The LORD said to me . . . I (God) will place My words in His mouth, and He will say to them everything I command Him. And whoever does not listen to My words which He will speak in My name I will hold to account (Deuteronomy 18:15,17-19). The prophet Jeremiah foretold that, in the end times, God would make a new covenant with His people (Jeremiah 31:31-34). In conversing with His critics, Jesus said that Moses and the Scriptures bore witness of Him: For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. But if you donít believe his writings, how will you believe My words? (John 5:46-47). Jesus declared to Pilate: My Kingdom is not of this world, meaning it has no earthly origin, but is a spiritual kingdom without end (18:36). On the Day of Pentecost, Peter boldly proclaimed that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of Moses, who said: The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from among your brothers. You must listen to Him in everything He will say to you. And it will be that everyone who will not listen to that Prophet will be completely cut off from the people. In addition, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those after him, have also announced these days (Acts 3:22-24; Deuteronomy 18:19). The Prophet whom Moses foretold is Jesus, who said: Anyone who follows Me will never walk in the darkness (John 8:12). The writer of the book of Hebrews wrote: If anyone disregards Mosesí law, he dies without mercy. . . . How much worse punishment, do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and insulted the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:28-29). Christ Revealed: Through the Old Testament sacrifices which were made without blemish or defect (Deuteronomy 17:1). Christ was perfectly pure from all sin and all appearance of evil. The precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without defect or blemish (I Peter 1:19). I hope that this devotional helps you all, it certainly made me feel better, however, Hebrews 10 doesn't make me feel to good about my family who heard the truth while in a Baptist church and got saved and years later got led astray with the SDAs. I think this scripture is for people like them who started out believing in Jesus and then allowed the SDAs to hang a millstone back around their necks. It is sad too that they are so stubborn, just like many of your loved ones that you are still trying to get out of the SDA's grip. I will continue to pray for you all as you go about trying to find the right church to visit and become a part of for we truly should not forsake the assembly. We need one another in worship, prayer, and praise and can't grow if we aren't fed. Faith comes from hearing, right? Janice | ||
| Dennis (Dennis) |
Jeannette, A HEARTY FAF WELCOME! Thank you for sharing your testimony. God is still calling many out of Adventism; many honest-hearted souls are accepting His invitation. The song rightly says, "Oh, how He loves you and me!" In awe of His grace, Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Janice, Oh yes how wonderful is our God; to have known that we would need these verses in Duet. 18:15-17 to help us understand thousands of years later. Is that a mighty God or is it? I came across these verses also and I think I have posted the same. What I find interesting is that God said He would raise up a prophet and if like you said you believe that is Jesus Christ( I do also) then I would like to put the question to any one who believes that we must keep the Sabbath to tell me where, as I have asked my son-in-law, it is to be found that Jesus commands us to keep the Sabbath.verse 18: He will tell them everything I command Him. If the Sabbath is to be the all in all then would not God have told him to tell them? He also says in 15 "Listen to Him" and this same statement is made at the transfiguration Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" I say why why can we not take the words of God and rest in them instead of looking to the obscure to try and determine the obvious? Believe me I know the answer, I only ask it to make people think for themselves. Jeannette, Thanks for your testimony. I praise God that you were able to see thru the deception and find truth that only comes from the spirit of God guiding you. The things that I have heard on this forum and read on other web sites and have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears make me understand why there can be such deception since I believe that the Holy Spirit has no place to take up residence since the mind is so full of the deception; EGW. I was just enlightened in the last week or 2 as someone shared here how SDA does not believe the spirit was in fact released at Pentecost and I must say that is a BIG problem. I must also say that is more understanding as to how they can believe or should I say not believe that we thru Christ become sinless and perfect not we trying to be like Christ. May you continue in His Spirit and enjoy the abundant life we were given, not to do what we want but to do what He wants; that will be in harmony for all His children, Carol | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Carol, Great post. Yes God did say "Listen to him" and I find it so strange that Jesus appears to be just a shadow in all of the SDA literature that I have read, and I also amen the question you posed, if we are suppose to listen to Christ and it is said that God would give Jesus all the commandments to be kept through him, then I say, like you, please show me where Jesus went around preaching on the importance of Sabbath keeping if it is indeed the seal that we are to be sealed with? No where did Jesus preach Sabbath keeping, and even though Jesus went to the synagogue on Sabbath, what else would you expect a Jew to do? After all, God sent him to the Jews, didn't he? Paul was also a Jew and went to the temple on Sabbath but after his conversion on the Damascus Road and also because of a dream that God gave him concerning the unclean animals let down in the sheet, Paul was led to preach, both to the Jew and to the Gentiles and went and preached on Saturday and Sunday where the crowds gathered to hear about the Savior, in open fields, in houses, in the temple, wherever and whenever, amen? Even though it is a fact that you can find in the Catholic books where they laid claim to the fact that they changed the day of worship, that seems to be beside the point, since everyone was already worshiping on the Lord's Day anyway. Most of us these days do "rest" on Saturday, at least it is a rest from the regular work week schedule, and since we have two days called the weekend, I don't know why the SDAs ever made such a big deal out of the Sabbath issue anyway. After all, doesn't the Bible say that we are not suppose to judge one another on such matters as dietary laws or worship service? I can see where many former SDAs are gun shy about any formal type of organized religion, but we all need to be reminded that it is New Testament teaching that we shouldn't just quit going to church altogether, I have read several post that seem to indicate that there are some that believe that anything other than the salvation plan isn't even worth listening to, and I can't help but feel led to say that we are told in the NT that ALL scripture is given to us to help us out with a long list of things, so, why then are they those among us here that believe that we shouldn't go to church, we shouldn't tithe, we can do this, we can do that. I hope that this doesn't sound like a bunch of double-talk because the Baptist faith does preach on eternal security but we also are very quick to point out that God warns that he can take you out of this world early if you aren't careful just to keep you from continuing to sin. We didn't loose our free will when we got saved. We became new creatures and when we asked the Holy Spirit to come into our hearts, he did take up residence there, but as someone else said in a post, God is a gentlemen and doesn't force us to do anything, he does, however, deny us many of the blessings that we could have if we were more obedient to his word. Yes, there are hundreds of denominations out there to choose from with even doctrines differing among same denominations. Every church is unique but is still made up of "believers" who are trying to do God's will in their lives. Like I said in my last post--get out there and find a church, pray over it before you join up with it, check their doctrines against the word of God and pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is our mission in life to spread the gospel to this lost and dying world. Don't ever be contented just to think that now that you have your salvation in hand that God means for you to just sit still and not grow. I think this scripture below is meant to show us several different lessons but what stands out to me here is the fact that the more we learn from God's word--the more he requires for us to educate others. (I am not saying that this is exactly what it says to everyone, I am saying that this is what the Spirit gave me)Also, this verse is often used when preaching on the doctrine of eternal hell fire. The SDAs teach that there is no such thing as an eternal hell where consciousness exists, but this verse would indicate that as a just God, God will do the right thing in judgment and call it Calvinism or whatever, I call it God's word, when a soul ends up in hell, he/she will get the degree of punishment measured against the sin committed. Luke 12:48--But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. My sister rationalizes that it would be unfair for Cain, who slew Abel in the beginning of time, to be in torments for 6000 years longer than our murderers who go to hell today. My point is this: eternity is not measured in time as we humans know it nor is hell just one big boiling cauldron where all the wicked dead reside. The quoted verse above plainly says that if a person is sinning unknowingly, even though his sins are worthy of punishment, his punishment is less severe than that of someone genuinely wicked or practicing "habitual" sin. Also, another verse that the SDA will argue over is found in Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: My sister loves to point out that the word sabbath has a little "s" not to be confused with the big "S" in the Sabbath. The bottom line is that God says for us not to "allow" any man to be our judge when we do whatever we do to honor our Lord. It is not the SDAs place to tell me when I worship or how I worship and certainly not to condemn me and call me hellbound by taking the mark of the beast. I just visited the Blue Letter Bible web site and found a wonderful commentary and thought that you all might like to check it out. I discovered that Paul did not establish all of the churches that he wrote his epistles to, for some reason I thought that Paul established all of the churches that are mentioned in the Pauline epistles, check it out at: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1047140994-617.html I am continously grateful for those people who have the knowledge to bring us such knowledge through the use of the Internet, I don't believe that God will be too happy with those people who have all this access, like my sister does with her computer just like me, and choose to turn their faces away from seeking the truth as are found here in this forum and at the various educational web sites, I have even challenged my sister to visit here but my mail was returned, and I am supposed to believe that she didn't steam it open and read it before sending it back, seeing as how it was her handwriting on the envelope saying "return to sender" and it took over two weeks for my letter to come back. I am also sure that God is not very happy with the SDAs continous outreach with their lies and out-and-out deceptions as some of you stated when you sited the new web site that seemed to "copycat" the SDA outreach web site that was developed to bring out the truth about the false prophetess EG White. I really liked what one of you said in your recent post, something about that even though EGW wrote inspirational messages, it didn't make her "inspired" by God. Some of the stories that have been related here in this forum just seem so totally ridiculous to me that I find myself amazed that so many were (for lack of a better word) stupid enough to pay her any mind at all. It would appear that IF they were indeed capable of reading, why didn't they read God's word instead of her books? I can only conclude that it is for the very same reason that so many of us love all these NEW translations of God's word. People just don't want to take the time to sit down with God and earnestly pray for the Holy Spirit to "show" them what his word says. I am sure that this remark will bring another flood of posts against me like the last time I mentioned the subject but it does appear to me that most people just want to grab their Bibles up for a "quick fix", but don't want to get bogged down in all that archaic olde English of the KJV. I just don't see people rushing into changing Shakespeare's classics and people still pay to sit and watch his plays, so, I can't understand people when they say that they can't understand the KJV, but no one seems to understand that it is the Holy Spirit that leads you into understanding in the first place, regardless of the version you are looking at. I will end this yet another LONG post and again apologize if I offend with any of my remarks. Like we all say here, we all have an opinion. Janice | ||
| Gene (Gene) |
Please understand, Janice, that I'm not debating with you, but I'm going to try to answer your question. I studied EGW because as a youngster I was raised in an Adventist home and went to Adventist schools. I was taught that her writings were truth to be learned. I didn't know any better. Decades after leaving the cult, my Bible study was tainted with the SDA filter as I read the Scriptures. It was also made difficult by the ancient language of the KJV. When I found the NIV I discovered that things made sense. I find it no coincidence that the major cults of the day insist on using the KJV. It's certainly the most difficult to understand, leaving the REAL interpretation up to the organization. By keeping the accurate and understandable versions out of the hands of the flock, the cults keep the real message of Scripture hidden, just as it was in the Adventist schools I attended. When you've stupified your congregation by insisting upon using a guidebook written in a confusing language, it becomes easy to mislead them into OT legalism. Again, no coincidence that KJV churches and cults base a lot of their practices on old-covenant rituals. That, dear sister, is why I use an NIV New Testament which includes the Psalms and Proverbs. Anything else, to me, is background material which is more likely to confuse me than enlighten me. I've been down that ugly road and no one's dragging me there again, no matter how high-sounding their arguments. | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Janice, thank you for that post re: the Deuteronomy prophecy. We've been studying a harmony of the gospels in our women's Bible study at church, and I've been struck by how forcefully Jesus told the Pharisees that if they did not believe Moses and the prophets, they would not believe the one sent from God. They did really have the evidence that would have led them to belief when they met Jesus if they had been taking their own scriptures seriously. After all, there were many Jews who did recognize Him when they met Him. Remember Andrew and Nathanael and Nicodemus, to name three? I find it awesome that we are living in the time of the prophetic New Covenant. We can know God in a way it was not possible for people to know God before Jesus came. Sometimes I ponder the absurdity of the fact that the church, the body of Christ, actually has the indwelling Spirit in it, and we, the members of the body, allow ourselves to be so sidetracked by life that we do not live by the power of the Spirit as we could. The world looks at us and does not always see the presence of Christ. It sees pretty carnal people living fairly comfortable, self-centered lives, and I marvel again that Jesus leaves his reputation in the world in our hands. What Jesus has done by leaving us His Spirit and creating the church is a mystery the Old Testament prophets did not understand clearly. The New covenant is amazing, but its power has been nuetralized by false teachers, strange "gospels", and complacent Christians. Jesus and the apostles warned believers about these things, yet for two millennia the church has been affected and limited by deception. I can only say, praise Jesus that he continues to call us and reveal himself, and I pray that we'll continue to be open to knowing the truth. Praise God for Himself! Colleen | ||
| Terryk (Terryk) |
Hi Jeannette praise God another has seen the light. A great site for your husband to go is the world Wide church of God has a great site for explaining the sabbath ect. They can really make a difference it helped change my veiws on things. And yes it is very hard to find another church there are many emotions that run through you and even now after 9 months of being gone and going to another church I still find myself questioning everything I see in church . I think you veiw things so differently even church when you come out of the SDA church. There is a big matter of trusting people and religion. You have entered a whole new thought pattern and you will never be the same again. You went from a church where you thought you knew everything to now knowing nothing. It took me about 6 months to tell my mom. I was very scared and one day she started asking about friends she lives in another state and I had to tell her I do not see them and why I do not see them. It went better then I expected she did say the other day she worries about us but I said I am closer to God then ever before and we still attend a church. I am glad that is over others of course are shcoked and others shake their head and pray that I am not being lead by the devil. Well to everyone else I say hi and I got my letter from church today and it said our names have been removed. But that they hope I will have a reaffirmation and oneday,there will be eternal fellowship in the Kingdom of God. So does that mean I miss out if I do not? |
