| Author | Message | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Sabra, What you said about the catastrophe of a nuclear bomb or such would certainly tie in with the scripture that I just posted, about those that are left behind being sent a strong delusion. No one would really miss us if a bomb were dropped, would they? I look at it this way too, look at all of the mess that a nuclear bomb would cause and then read about the plagues and pestiliences mentioned during the tribulation period. Also a bomb would, in turn, cause earth quakes, floods, famines, etc. Again, just like last day things, right? I have about hour an hour before I leave, so, I hope everyone will be reading the studies and am looking forward to hearing more input on this subject of the rapture and end-time events. In light of this war business with all these bombs and missiles aimed at one another, it is very sobering, isn't it? Janice | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Janice, I saw that view 23 years ago and found it interesting. The massage from Hosea 6:1-3 is interesting also where it says: come and let us return to the Lord; for He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us; on the third day He will raise us up, That we may live with in His sight etc. Then in verse 3 it says that He will come as the rain. For two thousand years the body of Christ has been torn and stricken by sharing in the sufferings of Christ. We are about to if not alright entering into the third day or millineuim. The third millineium may actaully begin two thousand years after the death of Christ or the day the church was born at the upper room, which would take us to 2026 or somewhere around that time that the Kingdom Age would begin. I believe the we are in a transition period of being caught up spiritually by faith so that the ministry of the head of Christ will be in affect. Head ministry that being "hear,seeing and speaking" spiritually so that the body of Christ will not be considered spiritually beheaded as is says in Rev. 20:4. I have written a book called Revealing Jesus Christ as Immanuel through the manifested Sons of God. But there is no way that I know how to make it availible to this forum. I would if I could. The book has not been published yet and needs editing. But when I left the SDA churches beleifs it left a lot of unanswered question and I think that this book looks at alot of these end-time things. Brad | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Just a brief post--what with a war starting and all--to say that my doubts about pre-trib rapture have had nothing to do with it's being only 100 years old. I did not know that until last Monday evening. My doubts, as I've said before, are based on my reading Scripture. Further, the doctrines of justification, God's sovereignty, and sanctification are clearly taught in Scripture. In fact, what I've learned of those things have not come from reading Luther, Calvin, or Wesley. In fact, I haven't specificially read their works. I have found that the more I study the Bible, the more clear those doctrines seem to be. By contrast, the timing of the rapture does not seem to be clear to me, and as I've said before, many true Bible scholars also vary in their understandings. I may become more certain about this subject with time, but I'm willing to trust God with that in the meantime. And by the way, I'm not a "postmillenialist". I'm really open to any of the timing possibilites. I've also heard the 7th millenium/7th day idea before. It has a really satisfying, metaphorical "feeling" to me. Again, however, I don't think we can really pin it down. I don't believe that God wants us to settle on a year or a specific time. Jesus' birth was not specifically revealed in advance, although enough was prophecied that people could recognize him when he came. Date setting, after all, was Adventism's initial BIG MISTAKE! While I'm not opposed to looking at these rather interesting suggestions of time and even entertaining the possibilites, I do feel a definite sense of caution about embracing them as what we should look for. These things can become distractions for me that get in the way of walking by faith. Knowing Jesus now means being part of his "now and future" kingdom. The kingdom of God is within us, and the kingdom of God is literally, physically coming! I'm thankful, especially now as we observe a new war. Colleen | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Colleen, well put, I liked that about embracing the Lord and keep walking in faith,hope and Love. Brad | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Yeah Colleen, I think what happened in the beginning of the SDA's development should be enough to stop anyone from "date-setting" after all, Jesus says that no man knows the hour but God the Father, however, we have his word than when we see certain things come to past, we can look up because our redemption "draweth nigh". I can feel him knocking at the door, don't you? According to many scholars too, since we have the Jewish calendar that differs slightly to our own mordern day calender, we could be off the original time table by four or five years. I find one thing more and more interesting by the day though when it comes to "knowledge increasing". How many of you have noticed that everything began to change gears back in the early 1800's? Isn't it amazing how for 1800 years that man still rode horses and camels and pulled wagons and crossed water in a boat in much the same way that Christ did while he lived among us here on earth, and then, bam!!! Look at all the inventions: cars, electricity, telephones, etc. and of most importance, the printing press. Then consider that as quickly as the printing press gave the Bible to the common man, people like John Miller and Ellen White came along and read bits and pieces of God's word but didn't happen among key scriptures such as "no man knoweth the hour" or how about the fact that scripture is not of "any man's PRIVATE interpretation" and even more important, how about the many verses that warn us that we are not to add to or take from God's word? If you check out all of the major cults, guess what, they all started generally around the same time 1830s to 1840s! Someone asked me why I kept referring to the SDAs as a cult and I guess one reason would be that more importance seems to be placed on a mere mortal's penned words than is being placed on God's word. Most major cults also happen to have their own "extra" enlightenment, so to speak. How about the commercial by the LDS that want to send you a free KJV Bible and ALONG with it will send you the "Book of Mormon". The Jehovah's Witnesses have their "Watchtower" and their "version" of the Holy Scriptures and the Christian Scientist, Buddhists, Muslims, and others all either have their "holy" books and if they have a Bible, it is usually a perversion of the Word like the Mormons that say that Adam willingly ate of the tree of life so that man could know JOY!!! How is that for a lie, wow!!! Guess it is about that time, please pray for me today as I try to work with these heathens, one of them reported to my supervisor yesterday that I was reading nonwork-related material on the job, folks, I was reading my pocket-size Bible!!! I was told that although he, the group leader didn't want to say anything, it was his job to mention that I wasn't suppose to have anything reading it on my job if it wasn't "work related". I am a Q.A. technician and I get paid to observe the workers and document inconsistencies, not to read God's word. I told him that he could say that he did his job in telling me, but I was doing my job, just what job was the question, amen? We had better be about the Father's business. Ought we rather to obey God than man? God bless you today and always, till we meet in glory, goodbye for now. Janice | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Janice, I only found this week the info about the pre-trib rapture idea having arrived about 100 years ago. I tend toward rejecting a pre-trib rapture because I don't see it aligning with the scriptures. I don't reject it because of my prejudices from Adventism. In fact, I believed in a pre-trib rapture before I was an SDA. There are sound Biblical arguments that can be made for every view of how those last events unfold. Locking ourselves into one viewpoint as being IT, or focusing on those ideas really leads to loopy thinking. It shuts us down from hearing others viewpoints. We become just a tad arrogant. We come to believe that our viewpoint should be what controls our countries government. We begin trying to make the rest of the scriptures line up with our viewpoint of the endtime events, rather than letting the rest of the New Testament give us the foundation for approaching the endtimes events. And it just plain shuts us down from making great growth in understanding the scriptures. I know, what I just said is truth because that's exactly what happened to our little home group that left Adventism together. Of course we should obey God rather than men! But Janice, IF you are reading your Bible during the time when you are supposed to me working you are not obeying God. I mean this in all kindness. When you are on the job it is obediance to the Lord to honestly give your attention to your duties at that time. Nothing says you can't read your Bible during breaks! But to do so when your employer is paying you to work is to very literally steal money from him. It is being a dishonest worker. And it is being a lousy witness. | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Acts 1 11. who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." What really happened when Jesusnwas taken up depends on how He will return. One way that we failed to see or choose to ignore is that He was transformed from physical to spiritual. Other wise His physical body would be sitting on a clould. So if He now has a spiritual body He would return into a physical body which is His church. The only problem is that we most often speak as that from ourselves but if we spoke more often through the gift of prophesy "as if Jesus was speaking through us" people would either be more convinced and believe or think that we have a few screws loose in our heads. What do you think Brad | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Brad, Paul talks about the resurrection body being a spiritual body. That does not mean it's not physical. What a physical body would look like outside our three-dimensional world is unknown to us. The laws of physics, however, would certainly govern it, whatever those laws might be if we were able to measure them outside of time. If there weren't a body involved, there would be no need of a resurrection. Our spirits going to be with Jesus upon our death would be all we needed. But Jesus was resurrected with a body, as it's clear we will be, also. Paul was clear that our resurrection bodies would be different from what we have but also related to what we have. He used the comparison of a seed dying and yielding a plant, for instance. When those disciples saw Jesus go into heaven, they saw him go in his resurrection body. A resurrectionn body, I'm sure, is not limited like our three-dimensional bodies are limited. It's able to exist in eternity unfettered by space and time; unfettered even by walls. Remember when Jesus appeared among the disciples when they were praying after his resurrection, and he appeared without coming through the door? What a resurrection body really is like, we have no way of knowing. We just know that Jesus went to heaven in one, and we are promised them at his second coming. Our bodies appear to be essential parts of our humanity, as essential as our spirits. While it is our spirits that know God, our bodies apparently have something to do with funcioning in the physical world--which is much bigger than the mere three (or four, if you count time) dimensions that we perceive inside of time. We are redeemed body and spirit. It is not just our spirits that matter. In fact, one of the gnostic heresies against which Paul preached was the belief that spirit mattered but bodies didn't. That belief gave people license to do all manner of things with and to their bodies while asserting that it didn't matter; it was "just the body". Further, Paul wrote in Romans (8:11, I think--I'm away from my Bible right now) that the same Spirit which raised Christ from the dead will give life to our mortal bodies. Our bodies matter, and our ultimate redemption will include redeemed bodies as well as spirits. Colleen | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Colleen, It's like you said we will never know until it happens. Mean while I guess I'm tring to figuire out if we are missing it by some other interpition so bare with me if that okay. When it comes to things we do not fully understand I don't think Jesus minds if we think we know how things will be fulfilled. He will surely reveal all truth at some point in time. I guess I like consider all sides, it makes life interesting and maybe in the journey of tring to figuire out the mysteries in God's word we will find a jewel that will transform our lives. Here is one I like that goes along with the way I see could be: Mark 16:12 says that Jesus appeared in another form or "person". You were saying that a spiritual body would be able to go through walls which I believe to be true. By the same the spiritual body can also appear through you or me or a donkey like what happened in the old testament. Heres another consideration John wrote Rev. 2 & 3 as if Jesus is doing the talking. Paul said in 2 Cor.13:3, since you seek proof of Christ speaking in me, etc. Anyhow I though is was interesting that if Christ was speaking in Paul and John wrote Rev. 2&3 as if it were Jesus writing through him would it be okay if Jesus was to manifest Himself through us. He said that His coming will be like lightning going from east to west in Matt. 24:27. When two of God's people are caught up in the way I described earlier and one being used in Hot works and another in cold works "like a positive and negative charge you would get lighning. Jesus also said where two or three are gethered in His name He would be there in their midst. As far as hot and cold works go, I see hot works as been the kind works like healing etc. Cold works on the other hand would be like taking a whip to those in the temple or the way Jesus delt with the Pharisees. Or when Jesus said to Peter get behind me Satan. Lukewarm works maybe a balance between the two. But the problem with the Laodician church was that they said in their hearts that THEY were rich and needed nothing. I think they failed to see that the true riches come from Jesus and not ourselves. Oh well thats just another way of looking at things. Back in July 2000 one night while resting I began to feel like my spirit was being pulled away from my body and my body feel like an arm going to sleep. This happened a few times before in my life and it scared me. But this time I said to myself that I'm just going to go with it and trust in God. Anyway I assended up into heaven saw a band of witnesses, angels I can't discribe. But I assended into the middle then of to my right side I saw what appeared to be Jesus and He said there are some things that I will show you then He when right inside of me. At first I though where did He go. And that was it. | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Lydell, The devil has been on me real good today. I have been reading literature on my job for over two months and have had many coworkers ask for my books when I finished with them. I have made many new friends on my job but unfortunately didn't take Christ's words into consideration when he warned us to be careful of wolves in sheep's clothing. Lydell, I do agree with you that IF I am reading or doing anything while I should be working, then yes, it is stealing and I have seen it all too often over the years with fellow coworkers. I was once even told to put my broom down while others were sitting around doing nothing because they all said that "I" was making "Them" look bad, go figure? An old proverb says that idle hands make for a devil's workshop, so, that was what I was doing, I was exercising my mind with the word while my hands were "waiting" to do something, namely, my job that I get paid for--observe and document. At any rate, I have never been one to take any more advantage of a situation than the average guy and hope that you don't think that I am just making excuses while trying to make myself look good. I hope that I didn't give you the idea that I am trying to make excuses to weasel out of your accusations, but the truth is, no one said a word until yesterday when I took my pocket Bible out while waiting on a coworker to do a weight check for me. I have been furiously fighting at these keys for over an hour and have lost over three posts already. I will no doubt loose this one before it posted as well if all goes in like fashion. The devil is on me full force today since 4:00 this morning when I walked in the work place. I just wanted to clarify that the issue wasn't that I was doing something INSTEAD of my job, the fact of it was that instead of being spoken to one on one with the man that reported me, he chose to be a hypocrite and make out like he was "all for my Bible reading" and even made the statement that if we deny Jesus that he will deny us to the father. I was hurt because I felt betrayed by a supposed fellow Christian. I had a long talk with the man that hired me who, thank God, happens to be a preacher himself, so, he understood exactly why I felt like I did. He did say though that it wasn't a matter of 'reading' at all but was a matter of government rules and regulations that state that we are not to have any personal items on or around food products that might make the product contaminated and/or inedible. He apologized that I felt persecuted and was all for me going to Human Resources with the matter if that was what I wanted to do, but I had told my group leader earlier that I was going to make it a matter of serious prayer to ask God if he truly wanted me to stay at this place of employment. I am sorry that I bothered to ask for prayer from any of you, but somehow thought that it would help if I knew that I had someone on my side. Again, when I came home to speak to that loving, wonderful husband of mine, guess what, he allowed his experience of "lead-man" to take over and started drilling me with all kinds of questions while making snide and ugly faces at me, and it just broke my heart all the more. First I get exhaulted in God's word and shout amen, then I come in at 4:00 in the morning to a reprimand which is followed up by that same person that told on me, coming by and asking where my Bible was today, he smiled a smirky grin that really got me in the flesh and broke me that much more. I spent the better part of the morning crying and praying over the situation and asking God why, why, why, just like Amy Grant's newest song, well, I had my group leader pat me on the back and apologize for the hurt that he had caused and asked if I was going to be alright, I said yes, as soon as I turn in my notice. He went to the manager, who in turn, asked me to come into his office before leaving. We spoke for over an hour and decided that it was going to get better. Well, I guess the devil had better plans because when I came home, Lydell is giving me a reprimand in the forum, and while I am answering it for the second time around, I loose it again and then my sweety comes in and gives me the third degree about my wanting to give up and agreeing with the enemy, as it were, and bless God my new friend Mr. Bob, who was recently banned from the forum, sent me an ugly email after having read a study on the rapture that I had copied and posted for him and this was what I had my rotten day ended with, here is his curt little message: Having a unique doctrine such as the Rapture gathered from the sources other than the Bible must make those who purport it Cultists.I choose not to converse with you further unless you truly are interested in study, not name calling and casting aspersion, replacing it with your own "rascals". Well, I replied that he wouldn't be bothered by me anymore and just warned him to make sure his salvation. I got ugly and told him that I could now see that he was more interested in arguing than he was in truth. I don't even know what ticked him off in the first place. I just cut and pasted some literature from some of my studies just like I placed in my post. I guess I need to pay more attention to what God says about looking out for those wolves in sheep's clothing, huh? I really thought that he was interested in the truth but guess I was wrong. I guess you all need to take heed of me too seeing as how I am a secret cultist, huh? My blood pressure has skyrocketed as a result, and since I told Mike to go on and leave me alone, he is abiding with my wishes and fell asleep in his recliner, so, I guess I will just get my gown on and go to bed and pull the covers over my head and pray to God for a better day tomorrow. I don't even ask God anymore about "what more" can go wrong, I am afraid that he will show me. Lord, help me because I just can't take much more of this. Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Brad, I would be very interested in reading some of your book. Is there any way that you might could break it down in segments so that I might get it through an email attachment? My email is cjlump@bellsouth.net, let me know what you think. Colleen, One of the things that I spent some time going over at work this week was your paper on "Getting Rid Of The Bondwoman" and I would really like to get another copy of it but forgot where I got it from. Did you have it here in the forum somewhere? It was absolutely wonderful the way you described grace verses law. I have been reading in the book of Acts this week and I have really filled my little New Testament up with ink marks where I kept underlining things that the Lord was revealing to me. I am thinking of doing some kind of commentary of my own on that book and maybe I can post it somewhere in the forum or maybe I will just put it in a file and offer it to those who want to request it via email. Anyway, let me know where that story is because I want to make some copies for some of my friends or maybe they can get online and read it from here. Just let me know please. Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Brad, I guess by now you have figured out that my thoughts are much like yours in that I really never tire of asking people's opinions (or giving mine, ha, ha). We are children of God, so, if we are patient with children and defend their rights to ask questions and urge others to be patient with them because they learn by asking questions, then I don't see where it is out of line to ask any of us here to "bear with you" when you are asking questions and giving opinions. I thought that was the idea of the forum anyway, right? I never tire of talking about spiritual things, and we are told that when we teach as well as when we are taught that we are to bear one another's burdens. I sense a genuine love here and a desire to know the truth and it is truly what sets us free, but I do admit that I have to work on my patience as I do allow Satan to plant that seed of irritation when I feel that I am excluded and also when I get "too much" attention in a negative way, and like I told my boss today, I need to grow a thicker skin because I really do bruise easy, my ego really takes a beating when I feel persecuted. The strange thing is that when we see Jesus revealed through his word and see how he was treated, we should hang our heads in shame. Last night, my preacher gave his sermon from the Bible text about the pool of Bethseda. He made the comment that although many, many people have asked the question as to why Jesus didn't heal them all that were on the pool side, that maybe our question instead should be this: Why would Jesus do anything for any of us? We certainly are not worthy of his blessings, are we? Bible plainly teaches that our righteousness is nothing, nothing that we did, are doing, or ever will do, aside from accepting in childlike faith his free gift of redemption, will ever be good enough for God. The entire book of Acts pours out the truth about how it is ALL about GRACE and not laws and is very clear on what it has to say about what the LAWS are. I even saw that there were Christian Jews that believed but were teaching that you still needed to be circumcised and following after the "law of Moses". In the next chapter, Peter addressed this preaching to the head of the church board in that district and the board promptly sent a letter to that church to say that this preaching was not authorized by the church at all. Funny how I never saw that before but there it is in plain black and white for anyone seeking to find, right? Well, I have vented enough here for one night. At least I can say TGIF tomorrow, amen? God bless you all, pray for the soldiers-I know that I don't have to say that to you, but we really do need to do that for them. Janice | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
OK, Here's the parable that got me believing in a rapture, I had been praying about it and a friend invited me to a bible study on Friday nights and about the 2nd week we were studying this parable and it just jumped out at me, I have more too that came later, the 10 virgins and the water into wine, also the ark has some interesting points: The definition of a parable is: 'An earthly story with a heavenly meaning' Jesus spoke in parables with a simple story relative to everyone and a parallel meaning to those who understood the things of the Spirit. When the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 13:10 "Why do You speak to them in parables?" He answered and said unto them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. He goes on to say that the reason it wasn't given to them is because their hearts had become dull. Their eyes were closed. They listened with their ears and saw with their eyes instead of listening to their hearts. In the parable of the lost son, the father has two sons. I believe these represent the Jews and the Gentiles. The Gentiles first squandered their inheritance. For approximately the first 4000 years they were lost. The Jews are God's chosen people, they were supposed to be the light to the world. When the lost son returns home to his father, the father puts the best robe on him. The robe represents Jesus. He is the robe of light. Isaiah 61 speaks of the second coming of the Lord. In verse 10 Isaiah says: "I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garment of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteouseness, as a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels. verse 11: For as the earth brings forth its bud, as the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth, So the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all nations." Next, the father put a ring on his hand. This represents the inheritance being given to him. The signet ring was used like a stamp or seal to sign important documents showing ones authority such as in Esther 3. In Genesis 41:42 Pharoah gave his signet ring to Joseph and clothed him in garments of fine linen, giving him the authority of the king. Our inheritance is eternal life through Christ Jesus and we are sealed by the Spirit. Ephesians 1:13,14: In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possesion, to the praise of His glory. Next, he put sandals on his feet. These represent protection and provision. Deut. 33:24,25: And of Asher he said: "Asher is most blessed of sons; Let him be favored by his brothers, and let him dip his foot in oil. Your sandals shall be iron and bronze; As your days, so shall your strength be." Asher was Leah's maid's son by Jacob in Genesis. Leah was Jacob's first wife, but he really wanted to marry Rachel, just as the Gentiles (the church) are Christ's bride even though He chose the jews first. Then the father called for a great feast for his son (the Gentile). When the older son (the Jew) came near the house and heard the music and dancing, he called to one of the servants and asked what these things meant. The servant told him that his brother had come home and was received safe and sound and his father had thrown a great party for him. The older son is jealous and angry and wont go into the feast even though the father pleads with him to enter. He tells his father he has kept his commandments(!!) from the beginning and this brother has foolishly wasted his inheritance! Why is he getting this special feast while the faithful son gets none? The father explains to the older son that he is always with him and all that he has is his but it is right that they make merry for his brother because he was lost and is found, he was dead and is alive! It seems to me that the older son is the chosen Jew and the Gentile is the one who was lost and is found, was dead and is alive. The feast is the marriage supper of the Lamb/rapture. Doesn't have to do with whether it is pre or mid but seems clear it is not post as the Jew didn't go but he was told all that the father has is his. "I will provoke you to jealousy by a foolish nation" | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Ah Janice, sorry I bummed you out. But if you'll go back and notice I did say "IF you are reading when you are supposed to be working". Hope you get things worked out on the job. | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Janice, I'm praying that God will give you His comfort and peace in your heart. Hope you have a better day at work tomorrow! Colleen | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Lydell, It is funny that you said the word IF because in the two posts that are floating in cyberspace at this moment, I wrote "thank you for using the word IF" so, I have no hard feelings, it was just one of those days that I spent in the "Twilight Zone" and if you ever watched the show, you know what I mean, ha, ha. Sometimes we just have to laugh to keep from crying, right? To further the situation, an email correspondent of mine who stated that he wanted to do some study of scripture with me decided that I was quiet a hypocrite and very gullible to swallow the lies concerning the rapture that was pure "Baptist theology" and wanted nothing more to do with me as long as I was sending him such nonsense. As we have been discussing in the forum, there are many varied opinions on the subject, I think it is very narrow-minded of Bob to suggest that it is Baptist theology and so what if it were. We Baptists certainly don't claim to have the corner market on God or his Holy Spirit, we preach the Bible that says that we have one church, one Lord, one faith, one baptism and we are called into a unity of the faith that serves our fellowman by intercessory prayers and mission work-preaching the gospel of Christ as Peter and Paul taught in the churches in the book of Acts. By the way, I am doing a commentary on the book of Acts that I will offer to you all when I finish it. It was brought to my attention, by Bob, that I was no better than all the others in the forum that were resorting to name-calling. To be more specific, he had asked me what my definition of a cult was and I sent him my definition of the term which basically said that if anyone placed equal value on additional literature that was in contradicition to God's word such as the Book of Mormon, Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible and EGW's books and also stated that a cult was a group of people that elevated mortal man equal with God. Bob was banned from our forum and is now angry with us all because we are "name-callers" and the God awful names that we use are not what you would probably think--he thinks that the terms cult, cultist, demonism, and Satanism is shameful of us, folks--I am accused of kissing up to all of you when I agree and warned not to warm up to you because I may get caught up in your lies, God help him, we all need to pray for Mr. Bob _____ [edited by webmaster], Mr. _____[edited by webmaster]-this is your name-so, I guess Mr. Bob ____[edited by webmaster] that you can consider me as your foe since I am name-calling. I don't apologize for using the terms cult, cultic, demonic, Satanic and can see from your insults as to why you got censored. I know you will respond with an email but I just want you to know that I will block you from my box; what is it about answering a fool according to his folly? Gee, if that is name-calling, I just say that if the shoe fits, wear it! I have always heard that if it quacks like a duck, walks, swims and looks like a duck, then it must be a duck!!! Bob asked why I called the SDAs a cult and also questions why all the formers do the same. I will probably get reprimanded by the web master for this post but since Bob still visits here to see what we little rascals are up to then maybe we should all post that we will be praying for his hardened heart, pride and arrogance are like cancer Bob, you need to get over it, really. You asked me what spirit I had when posting, I pray that it is always a discerning spirit and contrary to what you believel-it is not presumptuous of me to claim that I can bind Satan, maybe I can't in my own strength but I know a man who can. We are told in scripture that there is power in the name of Jesus and I call on his holy name and if we are truly saved and indwelt with that same spirit, you will have no rest until you repent of all the hateful things that you wrote to me. I won't be answering any more of your emails as we are told not to grieve the Holy Spirit. Days like yesterday are truly of the devil and I prefer to just get on with my life and forget that I ever tried to expound on the scriptures with you. Thanks to all of you here that have called on the Lord on my behalf. I appreciate it more than you know, but hey, God knows, amen? Janice | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Good morning Janice, I surely would hope that you are not ousted and I'm of the opinion you won't be. However, it's not my call and I'm not sure what the internet policies are on posting someones name in a public forum. But, I wanted to say to you that my prayers go up to God in your behalf so that you may have peace and comfort. Don't let the evil one steal your joy and no, I'm not speaking of this Bob fella nor do I wish to talk about him as it is not my business nor do I care to be involved in gossip and this would be public gossip, which is even worse for the man being spoken of. Ten to one, he too, has a heart that bruises and we need to always keep aware of that. amen? Please don't answer that nor attempt to engage me in talk about him but I needed to say at least this much as a Christian for yourself and him. I will say this however, that my prayers go up for him as well. That God give him peace and comfort also. As far as your day went, oh how I know days like the one you described! Seemed like if there were anyone who wasn't against me somehow, that would have been a miracle! We've probably all had those types of days and they pass. A saying we had in A.A. was "this too shall pass." It's a good saying and always reminded me on those bad days that they will pass. Also it reminds me that on good days, those too, will also pass. So, I'm trying, but not very good at it, to take things in stride and not let everything and everybody get to me. But, this is not an easy task for me as I'm like you and I, as you put it, bruise easily, and I worry about people and things a little more than is necessary sometimes. Guess it's a matter of growing and learning to see in ourselves when we are perhaps getting to upset over things that will eventually be resolved. For it is God who has everything in His Hands and that's such a comfort, isn't it? Your posts are always enjoyable for me to read and I'll be interested in your commentary on the book of Acts when you are finished! That will be a delight to read. Now, as to the topic at hand, which is the "rapture." I have to take Jesus's Words as they are written in Matthew. So, unless I'm reading that wrong, He says that after these things (meaning after all the events of the tribulation), we will see the coming of the Son of God. I tend to believe we will be here for the tribulation but am not holding a firm stance on it as dogma. To me, I'll just be glad to see Jesus Christ's Return! Now THAT will be a great day!! amen? Just think, we get new bodies, (real teeth included vs these ill fitting dentures :::chuckling::  and no more death, sickness, sorrow, sin, crime, pain, sadness, worry, worry, worry,,,,,,ummm, did I make mention of worry? <grin>, nor anxiety, nor stress, nor stress, and no more stress.......ummm, let's see, oh yes, and stress. All these and much much more in the way of such a Glorious event. But the most exciting one is meeting our Lord and Saviour, Face to face!! Now THAT is a day to look forward to! And Janice, you don't need "thicker skin" as you may think because it only shows your soft heart. If you had thick skin, how would anyone know what a soft heart you do have? See, I can say that because having lived in Sacramento for 7 and 1/2 years, my skin "appeared" to all that knew me as "thick" when in all reality, I'm a softy. Now I have no reason to ever want to have to pretend that I have thick skin nor do I want to be that "hardened" as some are that do indeed have that thick skin. See what I mean my dear sister? You are loved just the way you are and that is with your soft heart and all. It's best that your heart remain soft. IN Christ Jesus (who, by the way, has a very soft heart). Denise | ||
| Gatororeo7 (Gatororeo7) |
Janice, Is this the same Bob that I got scores of emails from the other evening? He sent emails to me and from what I could gather, a few others in the forum as well. How'd he get ahold of them anyway? I'll be praying for you. | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Bob, No offense, but...YOU'RE DRIVING US NUTS! If you don't think SDA's are a cult then fine, you can think whatever you wish. I was one for 27 years and my family is so brainwashed they can't even read the bible--IT'S A CULT! That's my accusation, name calling, conviction, belief...and I'm sticking to it. Sheesh louise......... Peace bro.!! | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Denise, I always get a blessing when I hear that you are praying for me and love to hear the term sister, it does mean a lot and if I have ever said anything that hurt you, I ask your forgiveness as well. I thank you too for saying that you didn't want to engage in baggering Bob, and that is not what I want either, I just want him to realize how he is the pot calling the kettle black when he tries to stir up strife by sending emails to Angie and Colleen's church to try to turn their church family away from them, and like Gateroreo says "bombards us with personal emails that indicate that he wants to study but then goes one-on-one with a long email reply to each post in the forum". I truly have never seen anyone that wanted to voice their opinion so strongly and when does he find all that time to do it? He even voiced his disappointment with me because I didn't email him a reply quickly enough and I have explained to everyone here at this post that I am away from my home for over thirteen hours a day and do the math, when do I have the time to read and answer all these studies after answering mail from family, checking out some devotionals, visiting here and posting and golly-gee it seems that their is actually a husband in the other room that still likes to be noticed and even desires to see my face sitting across from him at the dinner table with an occasional "real home cooked meal" in front of him every now and then. I am just thankful that he is so understanding and knows that my troubled soul finds solace when talking about our Lord. He sees me grow by my studies, but he also sees me grieving myself to death when I get stuff like I did yesterday from Bob. He will probably get a switch after me if I continue to allow such instances to play on my heart like I do. It isn't worth it, when you do all you can do then you just have to let go and let God, right? Bob and I have even sent pictures to one another of our families and pets and thought that we had a good start to a friendship and never thought that he would so vehemently turn on me when I answered his question as to what I thought a cult was, especially when I was up front from the start and warned him not to ask me anything without preparing to hear my honest opinion, I won't let to you, I will give it just as straight as I know how, but I could use some prayer intercession on my behalf to help me get a sense of better "TACT", but of course, it is apparant that I am not the only one. Maybe it would be an interesting string to begin a discussion on what is a cult, and what is demonic and Satanic? Really, all of us do use the terms cult, cultist, demonic, and Satanic in many of our posts, so, maybe we should each take our turn at describing what we think a cult is, and why we use those terms when describing any religious groups that choose to stray from sound doctrine taught in the Bible. I personally don't believe that I am wrong in my use of those words. I also don't believe that it is wrong to call it for what it obviously is and if it hits a nerve then I have to wonder at why anyone here would want to post as a former if they are so adamant at protecting the SDA from being called a cult and would get all bent out of shape when they hear us describing some of the things that we have had to endure at their hands. God only knows what evil (evil=against God/for the devil)things that my sister had said about me, I have long since deleted her slander from my computer but unfortunately, my mind and heart carry those bruises forever. How truly sad it is when a person can admit to not being saved when they got baptised and joined their church 40 years ago, and even though my sister is religious to a fault, she doesn't have the love in her heart to even sit in a regular church service on Sunday for fear of the antichrist snatching her up, and I don't think of it as human compassion or love of family when a sister can tell you that you need to go get some professional help for your "problem" when all you did was suggest that she pray for God to show her scripture lined up to EGW and try the spirits to see if they be of God. My Bible says that the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, gentleness, faith, etc. and I can't help but question her heart when she so freely denies any ties with me at all. It hurts my very soul and the spirit of the Lord in my heart as well. If this isn't demonic (meaning=having the influence of Satan's demons, not name calling Bob) then what else can we call it? Sorry but I think I am bruising myself for now so I will end this post and try to get started on my commentary of Acts, I am so excited at what God is showing me, I can hardly wait to share it with you here, God bless and thanks again for the positive response, I do feel the love here even though we sometimes disagree, amen? Janice |
