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| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Jesus said that He was if you recieve it. Does anyone that any insight to what this my mean? I'll share later. | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Sorry for the spelling mistake it should be, may mean. | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Sorry for the spelling mistake it should be, may mean. | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Brad, I see you do double-post almost as good as I do, ha, ha. Everybody does it, so, don't think twice, twice about it. As for what you said about Elijah, here is what I "think" so here goes. I really believe that many Spiritualists grab this verse of scripture and run with it to justify their beliefs that you are reincarnated, however, since Elijah did NOT DIE, I don't see how that theory would hold water, right? I tend to believe that Jesus was saying that the spirit of Elijah was manifested through John the Baptist and the entire discussion between Jesus and his disciples concerning this was like so many of Jesus' teachings, he always sought ways to speak on things that would cause the disciples to stop and ponder on his words and reason out the greater implications, I guess it was kind of like making one read between the lines, so to speak, but not to say that we are supposed to get off into our own "private interpretations" because the word teaches us that anyone seeking wisdom need only pray for it and the Holy Spirit gives it "liberally". For those who lurk over the forum and cut and paste every little thing I have to say, may I suggest to you that you buy your own web site? Please, if you have so much time to spend at this computer and want to continue to bombard my friend's e-mails with your own brand of name-calling, please give us all a break, if everyone is like me--they have had enough of your garbage Bob and maybe they are like me, they can't block you, I did block you from my home outlook express but found you again this morning in my bellsouth homepage, I will be emailing them today though to get instructions on how to stop you from harrassing me there as well. Do your own self a favor Bob, for God's sake, GET A LIFE, a personal web site only costs $50 a year, I know because I just bought one, I just haven't had time to build on it yet. I will be posting that information for you, so maybe you can do your own venting in your own space and quit driving us all crazy. I say again, I don't wonder at how you got banned, five emails a day that are pages in length would indicate that you are truly allowing Satan to use you instead of God and have entirely too much time on your hands. Before everyone gets mad at me here, I apologize but had to say something. This is getting more ridiculous with each passing day. I repent, I repent, I repent for ever getting to know you and the reason that you got all the email addresses wasn't because we gave them to you in a post for the purpose of venting your anger and using our posts to "tattle" to our preachers with either. Janice | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Brad, my husband and I just studied that in a Bible course we are taking. "If you receive it" has to do with the kingdom of God. In Matthew 11 Jesus says of John, "He is Elijah who is to come." (see also Matt. 17.11-13 and mal. 4.5,6 The Jews believed that Elijah would come back before the arrival of the Messiah. Jesus was declaring that a turning point had come. The future kingdom was, at that point, already present in fulfilment. This was a tough one for the Jews to hear. This Messiah wasn't what they had expected Him to be. Therefore, "if you are willing to accept it" and "He who has ears, let him hear" (this is used repeatedly of the kingdom). Look at that passage in Luke 16. Jesus tells them that "the law and the prophets were proclaimed UNTIL John. SINCE that time the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached." (Hey, there's one for Adventism to notice!) In other words, time had moved out of the realm of the promised coming of the kingdom into seeing the kingdom before their eyes. Traditionally people tend to think of the cross and resurrection as the transition point. But John's ministry is clearly one of the elements in the change over. The birth of Jesus (the angels announced "good news of great joy", Lk. 2.11 Simeon and Anna recognized Jesus was the promised One come to 'comfort' or redeem God's people Lk. 2.25-29,38 which was a Messianic promise in the Old Testament) is another. The ascension of Christ and outpouring of the Spirit at Pentecost is another. Isaiah and Joel both promised the coming of the Spirit as a phemonema of the end times. (Acts 2.16). In Mk. 8 Jesus warned his disciples to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and asked them "having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear? And do you not remember?" Then He points them back to the feeding of the 5,000 and the 4,000. Those two incidents were a fulfilment of the promise of the Messiah's kingdom. The promised Messiah was to lead His people as a shepherd (Ezekiel 34, in Mk 6 and 8 the people followed Him into the wilderness), shelter them, make them lie down (had them seated in groups of 50 and 100 as Moses had done), feed them in abundance, and gather his people from all nations (feeding of the 5,000 was in a Jewish environment, the 4,000 was in a gentile environment). The kingdom had arrived. But it would do them no good if they didn't have a teachable spirit, willing to heed what was said. Look at the parable of the sower and Jesus explanation of that parable in Lk. 8.4-18 | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Lydell, Do you think that the return of the Spirit of Elijah revealed through John foreshadows what the coming of the Lord will be like. No doult that Elijah being caught up points to those who are alive and being caught up in the rapture. Joel 2:2 says that the Day of the Lord will be a great and mighty people. Also what do you think Jesus meant when He said that the least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John "Elijah". | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
John was the last old covenant prophet. He belonged to and functioned in the old covenant. Even the least person in the kingdom, one living in the new covenant, has a higher privilege than John. Christ-followers in the new covenant receive the new birth and are part of the bride of Christ. John the Baptist, as a part of the old covenant, did not experience that privilege. Also, the word "least" could refer to the idea of a person who is a servant in the kingdom, and Jesus could be saying that one of his followers who humbles himself is greater than even the prophet John. Either way, Jesus was saying that a person who lives in the kingdom of heaven--a privilege which was not possible in the old covenant--has a higher privilege than old covenant prophets. Colleen | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Brad, I see a note in my Bible tying v. 2 with the "locusts" that were spoken of in the previous chapter. Speaking of "like morning clouds spread over the mountains, a people come, great and strong" the note says that a day or two before a swarm of locusts arrive, there is a bright reflection of the sun on the wings. It literally turns to sky to a yellow, foglike texture. And they note that for several days the swarms are so thick and continuous that they turn the sky black as night. That great and mighty people are already being formed here. They have already come to the holy mountain , to the city of the living God (Heb. 12;22-24. We are already living in the last days. As Colleen said, even the least of us in the kingdom have higher privileges than the old covenant prophets did. For one thing we are literally acting under the authority of God to do the works that Jesus did. I'm thinking that is the "glimmer off the wings" of the locusts. We don't see everything happening in perfection, but we do see glimmers of the power of the kingdom breaking thru and touching peoples lives now. | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Brad, A friend of mine wrote this, check out his connecting of Elijah and the rapture: Genesis 6:14-16 - "Make yourself an ark of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. (15) This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. (16) Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third stories." I searched for things that have these measurements. I was unable to find anything with the length of 300 cubits. You'll see it's length is 3 times longer than the chambers of the temple. I have a couple us guesses why, but since the Spirit has not revealed that part to me yet, I will keep them to myself. The rest though is remarkable. Let's continue onward. John 14:2-3 - "There are many rooms in my Father's house, and I am going to prepare a place for you. If this were not so, I would tell you plainly. (3) When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am." Isaiah 26:20-21 - (20) "Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until the wrath is past. (21) For behold, the LORD is coming forth out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed upon her, and will no more cover her slain." We must remember though, that this picture the ark gives us is a picture of the chambers of the earthly Temple, not the Temple that will come down from heaven. The Temple that comes down from heaven will be much larger. The one on earth is only a model, or a shadow of the one to come. Just as Adam was created as a pattern for the second Adam to come, who was and is Christ. Christ is much larger, in body and spirit, for we are His body and we also have His spirit living in us. Ezekiel 42:1-2 - "Then he brought me forth into the utter court, the way toward the north: and he brought me into the chamber that was over against the separate place, and which was before the building toward the north. (2) Before the length of an hundred cubits was the north door, and the breadth was fifty cubits." Ezekiel 41:5-7 - "Then he measured the wall of the temple, six cubits thick; and the width of the side chambers, four cubits, all around the temple. (6) The side chambers were in three stories, one over another, (thirty) in each story. There were offsets all around the wall of the temple to serve as supports for the side chambers, so that they should not be supported by the wall of the temple. (7) The passageway of the side chambers widened from story to story; for the structure was supplied with a stairway all around the temple. For this reason the structure became wider from story to story. One ascended from the bottom story to the uppermost story by way of the middle one." This part I could not have understood without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I've never seen anyone build wider stories as they go upward. This is beautiful!! Look at this awesome picture!! The three stories represent the three heavens. The 1st floor (1st heaven), represents the air we breathe and where birds fly and our clouds, under the ozone layer. The middle floor (2nd heaven), probably runs from the ozone layer to the end of the Ionosphere, from 12-250 miles out. And the third floor (3rd heaven), from 250 miles to unlimited outerspace. The first two heavens are bound by time as they rotate around the sun. But the 3rd heaven is God's glory and is not bound by time, nor does it rotate around the sun, for eternity lives there. I believe angels are at war in the 2nd heavens, and that means the war is also in our midst as well. They are warring over the souls of men. And we know God's Throne and His temple are in the 3rd heavens. We'll want to come back to this later, when we take a look at how the rapture will happen. Here's another picture of the three stories: 1 Kings 6:6 - "The lowest story {was} five cubits wide, and the middle {was} six cubits wide, and the third {was} seven cubits wide; for on the outside he made offsets {in the wall} of the house all around in order that {the beams} would not be inserted in the walls of the house." Proof that the ark was a copy or model of Bridal chambers: Psalms 104:3-8 - (3) "who hast laid the beams of thy chambers on the waters, who makest the clouds thy chariot, who ridest on the wings of the wind, (4) who makest the winds thy messengers, fire and flame thy ministers. (5) Thou didst set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be shaken. (6) Thou didst cover it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. (7) At thy rebuke they fled; at the sound of thy thunder they took to flight. (8) The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place which thou didst appoint for them. Now lets look at how the rapture will happen according to scripture : 1 Thes. 4:16-17 - "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of {the} archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (17) Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord." First notice that the Lord descends Himself. He brings no one down with Him. Post trib believers say that He will send His angels to gather His elect from one end of heaven to the other, and that these will come down with Him. This would be the second coming, not the rapture. In the second coming, the whole body of Christ will come down, but in the rapture, only Christ will come down to the second heaven as He calls us up. This is where we will stand before the Son of Man before we are taken up to the 3rd heaven, to the place that He said He was preparing for us. Now lets look at the picture that scripture gives us of how it will actually happen. 1 Kings 6:8 - "The door for the middle side-chambers was in the right side of the house: and they went up by winding stairs into the middle [story], and out of the middle into the third. Remember, the stories represent the heavens, but also notice the winding stairs here. Now read on. Ezekiel 41:7 - "The passageway of the side chambers widened from story to story; for the structure was [b]supplied with a stairway all around the temple. For this reason the structure became wider from story to story. One ascended from the bottom story to the uppermost story by way of the middle one." Glory to God in heaven!!! Folks, take a real good look at that last sentence in the above scripture. You don't need me to explain it. It stands on it's own!! And the widening stairway as it goes up is a picture of the whirlwind that took Eli'jah up to heaven. I believe the scriptures are telling us that Christ Himself will leave His Fathers Throne and come down to the second heaven, probably down to the ozone layer, just over the clouds, and with a loud command, the dead in Him, followed immediately by those who have remained in Him (not the world) that are still alive will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye. They will be changed from perishable to imperishable and give an account of what they had done in the flesh and they will receive crowns and robes. Then they will be ushered into the Temple in heaven, into the upper rooms, where they will feast, break bread and drink the new wine that Jesus said He would not drink again until He drank it with His disciples in His Kingdom. 2 Kings 2:11-12 - " And as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Eli'jah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (12) And Eli'sha saw it and he cried, "My father, my father! the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!" And he saw him no more. Then he took hold of his own clothes and rent them in two pieces. Notice first that the two friends (Eli'jah and Eli'sha) were separated here. Many people don't like this idea, but it is a picture of the five wise and five foolish virgins, of which only the wise were ready for the Bridegroom. The two friends names sound the same when you pronounce them, but one is greater by far. This is another clue for another article later. 2 Kings 2:12 - "And Eli'sha saw it and he cried, "My father, my father! the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!" And he saw him no more. Then he took hold of his own clothes and rent them in two pieces." Luke 13:25 - "When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from," | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Sabra, I found that interesting Iand I will study it in more detail when me eyes stop hurting. Bad eye srain problem I've had all my life combine with migraines at times. | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Colleen, Since you seem so gifted in your insights, I was wondering if you could give me your opinion of these verses that you mentioned in your post: Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he and again in Luke 7:28 the same text is mentioned. Maybe I should explain something first, several year's ago I received a book from a Jehovah's Witness coworker, of course I prayed over it before even opening it to ask the Holy Spirit to show me the subtle lies and false teachings of the JWs and sure enough, I found a lot of pure nonsense. I did however find a page that sounded strange to me and just never really got around to asking any preacher, any person for that matter, because I didn't want anyone to know that I really wasn't perfect, ha, ha. Seriously, the book was titled "Jesus, The Greatest Man Ever Known" and it got me with the title seeing as how the JWs don't think of Jesus as savior, just a good person of sorts and a great philosopher. I guess that was probably the reason for writing the book to let everyone know that the JWs thought he was real and the greatest but not necessarily "Immanuel" meaning God with us. I apologize for going around the world with my question but I am trying to get the question to make sense to you. My question is why/how can the JWs take that text on John the Baptist and state that he isn't really in heaven and build their doctrine that only the "cream of the crop" or the ones with the biggest list of converts will actually live "in the city built four-square" while the common or less active witnesses of Jehovah will enjoy a restored paradise state here on earth as the heavenly city hovers over them all? All JWs supposedly get to enjoy a restored paradise but not all go to heaven and since the least in heaven are GREATER than John, they take it to mean that John the Baptist wasn't in heaven. I guess maybe this post should be under the topic of cults, but since I saw your post that kind of mentioned that text on John the Baptist, I thought I would tag my message here. Looking forward to what you think of this book and the theology concerning John the Baptist as NOT being in the heavenly kingdom, I guess because he didn't get to do enough witnessing for God, huh? Also, in this very same book, it makes mention of the fact that Jesus did not know who he really was until after John the Baptist baptized him and the "heavens were opened" so that Jesus could see his heavenly home and "remember" where he had previously lived! Can you believe it? Seems that I remember Jesus, at the age of thirteen, telling his parents that they should have known that he was about "his father's business" but I guess not everyone takes the Bible literally when it is that straight forward, right? I finally got tired of all the bull I found in that book, it sounded a lot like EGWs books as well as some of the Mormon literature that I investigated,and I never finished reading the book from the JWs but used it on a shelf with a Christ figurine and candles, it made a pretty home interior grouping, so, I guess it wasn't a complete loss of printing ink. By the way, I noticed that www.blueletterbible.org had a link for a study of the JWs on their homepage of the site, and I think I will check it out when I get the time and maybe use some of it for the thread I started on cults. Bye for now, Janice | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Sabra, This is the most interesting thing Iíve ever read. However I saw in Ezek. 42:1,2 and Ezek.41:5-7 in a little different way. Your revelation was a stepping stone for what I received. I maybe wrong though after all I was an SDA for ten years and Iím still subject to error. Anyway here is what I got and how this strengthens what I have been trying to say in the book I wrote. I see these three chambers that are built one on the bottom being smaller then the middle larger then the third chamber larger still with the middle and the top having beams on the outside so that they do not go through the temple as not only in Christ resurrection and ascension but in our being caught up also. The small chamber would represent Jesus when He was on the earth then after He was crucified He rose on the third day. From the third day to Pentecost representing the middle chamber. From the third day to Pentecost Jesus appear in His physical body while being resurrected from the dead. Just like the middle chamber had beams connected to the earth so to Jesus appeared in His physical body. Right after Jesus ascended into heaven after the time between the Feast of Passover and the Feast of Pentecost, ěI believe that was fourty daysî would represent Jesus going up and into the upper chamber. Jesus received a glorified body and within a very short period of time sent the Holy Spirit into the upper room and filled the believers there at the time. Now the top chamber also had beams to the earth to support the chamber. When the church was born on the day of Pentecost it became the physical body of Jesus Christ on the earth while Jesus has a Spiritual and glorified body in heaven. Now how I the three chambers applied for us in our own spiritual journey. When we become born again we enter into Christ as new born babes and our life is hidden in Christ as we abide in Him. This also represents the lower and smaller chamber. The smaller chamber was total on the earth and when we are young in the Lord we are still very earthly, carnal, or the flesh what ever you want to call it, but we have by faith entered into the Kingdom of God and seated in heavenly places in Christ. As we grow in the Lord we are strengthened by the Holy Spirit we forsake worldly things and experience living as over comers in Christ as we abide in Him and His Spirit in us. This would represent entering into the middle chamber. It takes time to grow spiritually. In the old covenant the age of accountability was around twelve. Just like Jesus gave time for the churches that He rebuked time to repent and over come. This spiritual grow is seen in: 1 John 2 Their Spiritual State 12 I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake. 13I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father. 14I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one. Just like the church of Sardis had some who were worthy and walked with Jesus in white we as over comers do. Note we are with Him just like meeting Him in the clouds in the air. The only problem is it is still very easy to go down a flight of stairs and walk as babes in the Lord. The church of Philadelphia on the other hand enters a door that now one shut and they no more go in and out. This is a picture of entering into the top chamber and becoming a pillar of support for the glorified body of Jesus Christ that returns through the pillars to rule the nations for 1000 years ědonít forget the top chamber had beams that went down to the earthî. The church of Philadelphia will have people who say they are Jews but are not bow down to them, picture of bowing down to Christ and confessing Him as Lord. Itís a hard concept to receive that Jesus Christ will return through those that over come. But what was one man manifested as God in the flesh now many and world wide. As we grow into been like fathers who have known Him we enter into a more authoritative role in the body of Christ. In like manner it took thirty years before a man could enter into ministry in the old covenant it takes time to grow and mature in the Lord to the point that we no longer have any desires that would hold us back. The only things that may hold a over comer from being a manifested Son of God is fear and unbelief in that Jesus wants to manifest Himself through them. That is why Paul said that the man of sin must be taken out of the way. If you are waiting for an antichrist to appear to rule the world it has already happened. We also rule our own little world when we let the old man have his way. By the way I also saw the connection between the ten virgins and Elijah and Elisha. This is a picture of Elijah as Christ and being the greatest. Jesus said John was the greatest, but He also said John was Elijah. I know the Spirit of Elijah. Elisha can be seen as the church working together with a double portion ěcarrying extra oil as did the wise virginsî. Jesus said that we would do greater works than He did, but only when you look at what the whole church has done through out the centuries. | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
That's great Brad, you are really digging into the deeper things of God. Another representation of our spiritual growth is in the book of Nehemiah, which means 'compforter or consoler', he went to rebuild Jerusalem and it took him 12 years to finish it and the whole book amazingly parallels the Holy Spirit's work in our lives. First He discoveres the broken wall, then He intercedes with God, then He inspects the broken walls, then He rebukes the enemies that are opposing Him, every little bit that is built up is consecrated, once the wall is up He goes on to the inside of the 'city' He encounters all sorts of ridicule, discouragement, threats, opposition, compromise, slander, treachery, then....it gets completed and organized and we live happily ever after. Keep studying! | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Sabra, I meet with an old friend the other yesterday that I haven't seen for a long time. He said something that was interesting according to this text. Revelation 11 3.And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." 4.These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5.If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. He said that the ywo witnesses were Enoch and Elijah because they never died they were raptured. But it is appointed for all man to die once. However Jesus said that John was Elijah and John was be-headed. Do you have insight to this. | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Personally I think that it is Moses and Elijah because they represent the law and the prophets, because verse 6 says they have the power to shut up heaven and Elijah did that, and they have powers over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with plagues, and Moses did that. There was also some reason Satan fought for Moses' body. It isn't clear and I may be wrong, plenty of people say I am, but it makes sense to me and whatever God has planned is OK with me, it could be just the spirit of these two. Regarding "It's appointed once for man to die, and then the judgement" I don't think that verse means you can only die once, apparently Lazarus died twice, unless there's something they didn't tell us, as well as all of the others that were raised from the dead in Jesus' ministry and at the time of His death. I think it just means you die and then there's judgement. | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Sabra, Personally I agree with everything that you wrote. Moses and Elijah was what the disciples though at the mount of configuration. Lazarus would have had to die twice unless anyone can show me where he is in the flesh today along with all the others. And no doult when God does what ever He is going to do it will prove that we all have been wrong in some way or other. Whatever He does is okay with me also. I may think that I have things all figured out at times, but I know sure as heck that God will not reveal everything to me or anyone else. But if you could bring the whole church together and sort though all the good and the bad putting all the good together I think that God would come pretty close to having revealed all truth aside from the new heaven and earth. | ||
| Doc (Doc) |
Just another thought about "dying once." I don't think the verse means every single individual will die once either, it is just a general principle. The final generation of Christians will be translated or raptured from this present life into their eternal resurrection bodies without dying. God bless, Doc | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Doc, I agree too that dying once doesn't mean all of us have to die a physically death and will be getting back into the discussion we started on the rapture when I have more time, but what I think that this verse was alluding to was the fact that many did and still do believe in reincarnation and it was just meant to clear up that misconception. It meant that IF we did actually die and "crossed over" that God did not send us back to "earn our angel wings" like so many of our TV shows and movies would have you believe, and we don't come back in another person's body. My mother even said that my son must have been reincarnated with my daddy since they were so much alike and the thought was ridiculous seeing as how my son was a teenager when daddy died, but I will certainly agree and do believe that when my dad passed away, the evil spirits that haunted him sought a new vessel to dwell in and found Brian and it was at this point that I saw the familiar "evil" traits begin to develop in my son. I need to get off of that subject and embark on familiar spirits, maybe start a thread, but time won't permit just now. Even the movie "The Preacher's Wife" showed a preacher praying for God to send him help to regenerate his dying church and build it back up and then here comes this "angel" of sorts in answer to the prayer and while this angel is sent to help, this angel/man that is earning his wings actually begins to get attracted to the preacher's wife. Although this movie was very touching and had many great points in it, it was so unscriptural that it made me pray for the fools that wrote it. Lust, not love, is found in every movie that you watch these days and even if you see a movie where it is really love, guess what, the couple is "shacking up" and thinking of getting married "someday". I loved the movie "Ghost" and it was really funny for the most part but thank God that I am indwelt with the Holy Spirit that helps me see the truth as well as the deceptions that Satan is sending out to a lost and dying world. Sorry, I am getting on a roll here while my husband is ready to go to Alabama but I saw the post on the way out of the forum and though I would give my opinion, for all of you who have read my posts, you know how I tend to chase ten trains of thought at once and sometimes don't even finish what I started, so, bye for now. I think I just heard some thunder, so say a prayer for us as we are out there this morning. God bless, Janice | ||
| Doc (Doc) |
Hi Janice, Yes, that verse in Hebrews is certainly a good one to use to refute reincarnation. I just mentioned the rapture to show that the idea that the two witnesses in Rev 11 "must be" Enoch and Elijah, because they have to die once too, is not necessarily tenable. I enjoyed Ghost too, by the way, but the theology is definitely dodgy :-) The main character was taken to heaven because he was "basically a nice guy," - Jesus had nothing to do with it of course. A propos Elijah. An Adventist pastor I know here tried to explain to me that Ellen White is the version of Elijah who was to come to prepare the way before the second coming of Christ. Does anyone know if that is general Adventist teaching? The group he belongs to is not SDA, it is an offshot of traditional Adventists called "Christian Advent Fellowship" - this is in Hungary, by the way. God bless, Doc | ||
| Brad_2 (Brad_2) |
Doc, The impression that I got after attending a prophesy seminar back in 1991 was that E.G. White was of the Spirit of Elijah that started the whole SDA church to prepare the way by restoring the old covenant moral laws found in the Ten Commandments and expecially with the Sabbath Day subposively to be the seal of God. That is why they make the keeping of the Sabbath as important as your salvation. To not keep it would mean to them that a person has the mark of the beast. They sure do have a convincing argument. It is much easier for a former Adventist to bring the truth to them if they do not hold any grude against E.W. White. Like me for example I'm glad that I was a Adventist because it was a stepping stone for me to have the real truth revealed to me. I think that if the SDA church in whole would come out and confess that they were wrong that it would really shake things up in the world and we would see revival. That is one of the reasons I stay in touch with "liberal ones" or those who are free thinkers. |
