| Author | Message | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
I hope that none of you mind that I don't waste time giving you all of the references with this nonsense as I don't really think any of us need to waste our time to really check all of it to see if it is fact, but if you want the information just email me at cjlump@bellsouth.net for it. CHRISTIAN SCIENCE-FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT CHRIST 1. Jesus is the human man and Christ is the divine IDEA. 2. If there had never existed such a person as the Galilean Prophet, it would make no difference to me (First Church of Christ Scientist) 3. The virgin mother conceived this idea of God and gave to her idea the name of Jesus. Jesus was the offspring of Mary's self-conscious communion with God. 4. Not that the human Jesus was or is eternal....not one with the Father....but fleshly....Christ is "the ideal Truth," "Divine Idea," "reflection of God." 5. The dual personality (Christ Jesus) continued until the ascension, when Jesus disappeared, while Christ continues to exist in the eternal order of Divine Science taking away the sins of the world. 6. His disciples believed Jesus to be dead, while he was in the sepulchre, whereas he was alive. 7. To the apprehension of his students our Master rose from the grave on the third day of his ascending THOUGHT. 8. Resurrection is spiritualization of thought. cont'd | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
ERRORS TAUGHT CONCERNING CHRIST BY SPIRITUALISTS 1. Christ himself was nothing more than a medium of high order. 2. The teaching of spirits supersedes and is an advance upon the teachings of Christianity. 3. Jesus Christ was not divine. He is now an advanced spirit in the sixth sphere. He never claimed to be God manifest in the flesh and does not at present. (I guess they must have ASKED him during a seance, amen?) 4. Jesus did not claim for himself more than he held out for others. 5. His identification with the Father was the oneness of mediumship. He was a medium or "mediator." 6. Jesus Christ was indeed the Son of God, as also are we sons of God. 7. The miraculous conception of Christ is merely a fabulous tale. 8. Spiritualism sees in the death of Jesus an illustration of the martyr spirit, of that unselfish and heroic devotion to humanity whichever characterized the life of Jesus, but NO special atoning value in the sufferings and death. 9. Spiritualism accepts him as one of many Saviour Christs, who at different times have come into the world to lighten its darkness and show by precept and example the way of life to men. It recognizes him as a world Saviour but not as "the only name" given under heaven by which men can be saved. THE ONLY THING THAT IS MENTIONED ABOUT THE ERRORS CONCERNING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THIS: Denies the Personality of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit from God is the spirit of some holy person who has once been in the flesh. (Now I ask you this, is this out-and-out blasphemy or what?) cont'd | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
Janice,did you get my e-mail?I'll send it again just in case,I'm not to good at this. Angie | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
ERRORS TAUGHT BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ABOUT CHRIST Not Jehovah God. He was the first son that Jehovah God brought forth. The First Creation by God. Jesus Christ had a pre-human existence. Michael the archangel is no other than the only-begotten Son of God, now Jesus. Jesus was born about October 1, B.C. 2, of the virgin Mary. At baptism Jesus was anointed to become the Messiah or Jesus the Christ Annointed. He showed his subjection to God by humbling himself to a most disgraceful death on a torture stake. God raised him as a mighty Immortal spirit son. Christ was not raised in flesh, but with a spiritual body. ERRORS CONCERNING THE HOLY SPIRIT The holy spirit is the invisible active force of Almighty God which moves his servants to do his will. cont'd | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
ARMSTRONGISM ERRORS TAUGHT ABOUT CHRIST 1.Before Jesus was conceived by Mary, He was not the Son of God. (This comment was taken from a book titled "Just What Do You Mean Born-Again?") 2.God the Creator Jesus Christ Himself will never quantitatively equal God the Father. 3.Jesus Christ was born a Son of God by a resurrection from the dead....and as a born son of God, Christ is God! God Almighty His Father is God. They are two separate and individual persons. 4.God the Father did not cause Jesus Christ to get back into the body which had died. Jesus Christ was dead.... and the resurreciton body was no longer human. It was Christ resurrected, immortal, once again changed. 5.Christ's body disappeared. Christ was raised as a divine spirit being. cont'd | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
ERRORS OF MORMONISM TAUGHT ABOUT CHRIST 1.Among the spirit children of Elohim, the firstborn was and is Jehovah or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors. 2.By obedience and devotion He attained to the pinnacle of intelligence which ranked him as a God, even in his pre-existent state. 3.Jesus Christ was the EXECUTIVE in the work of creation, aided by Michael (or Adam) , Enock, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Peter, James, John, JOSEPH SMITH and others. 4.He was born of the virgin Mary, Elohim is literally the Father of the Spirit and of Jesus Christ, and also of the body. 5.He is essentially greater than all others, by reason of His unique status in the flesh as the offspring of a mortal mother and an immortal, or resurrected and glorified Father. 6.He died on the cross, rose again, and is coming again in power and glory to set up his kingdom on earth. cont'd | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
I am getting tired and will have to finish up tomorrow with the false teachings held by Eastern Mysticism, The Way International, Unity, and the Unification Church. I am also very grieved in my soul as I am writing this down, I can't understand how anyone could become so totally deceived with any of this nonsense, and I guess that is why so many SDAs as well as formers seem to take offense when I use the term cult or demonic seeing as how EGW seems like a little lamb in comparison to some of these fruitcakes, but it is like Steve posted today, a lie is a lie, is a lie, and if we are not working FOR God then we are surely working AGAINST him, are we not? I am also sorry that a few have gotten offended at our use of the word demonic and/or satanic but that is simply our means of letting everyone know who is actually behind ALL the lies and deception. We are either saints doing the Lord's work or we are those wolves in sheep's clothing who have crept in among us to seek to destroy us. It is not until we can honestly confess that something is wrong that we will ever make any kind of an effort to FIX it, right? I sincerely appreciate all of you who have emailed me to discuss my burdened heart and help me see more clearly why I must persevere for the Lord even with all my imperfections. I can't allow the devil to dishearten me because I don't want to miss out on any of God's blessings, and your emails are blessings within themselves, amen. Love to you all and God help all to march onward in this battle. Janice | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
Let's not forget the teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist church on the person of Christ. One "gem" that many are not familiar with follows. It is a direct quote from Life Incidents, by James White, the co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist church. On page 343, paragraph 2, he writes: "Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their Master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the 'three-one God.' They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption. The redeemed, from the first who shares in the great redemption, to the last, all ascribe the honor, and glory ,and praise, of their salvation, to both God and the Lamb." James White was Unitarian in his theology, for more than twenty years after the early Advent movement began. He wrote this in 1868, 24 years after the Great Disappointment, and 5 years after the founding of the SDA church. If anyone says that EGW was a prophet of God in the early Advent movement, then she was a False Prophet (or a False Messenger) because she allowed this very significant error to be taught, not only in the church, but under her own roof. If not a false prophetess/messenger, then as bad as one who harbors criminals, as she harbored one of Satans mouthpieces. James White had a forked tongue. Steve | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
P. S. The above was a reprint published by PARADISE VIEW in Wisconsin. I don't know whether the current "official" version of this book has been modified to omit the false teachings. Like the vast majority of EGWs writings, I'm sure James' writings have been tampered with also. Steve | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Dear Janice, I just ran upon these, your words, today: "I want to take this time too to apologize to you Denise, I knew that you were hurting but you hurt me deeply too, and rather than to give it to the Lord, I REACTED in my flesh, please forgive me, I do love you my sister. Janice" Of course I forgive you! And I will pray that you also will forgive me if I have offended you. With sincere love IN CHRIST JESUS, your sister, always and forever Janice! Please remember that. Denise Gilmore, a child of God. | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
Steve,what does all this mean?Are you saying that early adventist didn't belive in the trinity?I guess what I'm saying is,I read what you posted,but I don't really understand/just went over my head!!Seems like I heard something about them teaching Unitarian theology,but what exactly does Unitarian mean?? Not know for my smartness,ha ha! Angie | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Thanks Denise, I needed that, amen. I ran across something in one of my devotionals that spoke about being afraid of being found with our imperfections, it is hard to allow people to see our dark side sometime, but the sad truth is that I will not reach perfection until I get my glorified body, and I have to get past that in order to be a more effective witness, I will continue to say the wrong things sometime and will also continue to be misunderstood and well as misunderstand those who are trying to minister to me as well. On sort of another subject,Focus On The Family also had another great edition this morning that I almost missed because I simply didn't think that listening to women who had miscarried could have anything to do with me, boy was I wrong and almost lost that blessing because it was all about what our Christian duty was. I won't begin to relate it here but if anyone has audio on the computer, I am sure that they could here it on www.family.com, so, having said that, I really do need to get ready for bed. That clock is only seven hours away from going off again. Good night, Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Wow people, I didn't realize how much could be brought out on EGW's false teachings until I posted the other errors from the different cults, thanks for all the input and maybe the Lord will lead some of our loved ones to come here and check this stuff out. I know that God knows who and when his children will come to him but I sure hope that it isn't like Joseph's story, you know it took him almost 20 years or better to get to where God needed him to be in order to fulfill his purpose. I just wonder sometimes if it is going to take that long for our loved ones to see the light, amen? Yeah, I do have to get some sleep. Bye for tonight, Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Speaking of imperfections, just found another typo, sorry. Janice | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
Hi Angie, Yes, the early SDAs did not believe in the trinity. (There was probably a mixture of all sorts in the early Advent movement.) The church did not officially start teaching the doctrine of the Trinity until the 1950's. I was teaching one of my last sabbath school classes at La Sierra University church. I was pretty fed up. I decided to ask if there were any in the class (over 100 people) who became SDA before the 1950's. A few hands went up. I then asked those who had raised their hands if they had ever been told that belief in the Trinity was now a prerequisite to membership in the church. Not a single one (of the few, less than a dozen) raised their hand. Unitarianism is a teaching that means that God is not more than one person. He is a Unity. Trinitarianism has been very clear on this. God is a Unity. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in essence (being), but different in expression. They are co-glorious, co-eternal, co-equal, co-omnipotent, co-omnipresent, co-omniscient. (This is often referred to as the Ontological Trinity, sometimes referred to as the Transcendent Trinity.) At the same time God exists as One in essence, He also exists as three in function. The Father exists as the Sender, the Son as the one Sent, and the Holy Spirit as the one Sent by the Son. The Son is in subordiation to the Father, the Spirit is in subordiation to the Son. (This is often referred to as the Economical Trinity, sometimes referred to as the Immanent Trinity.) However, theologians, in differentiating the Son from the Father, have been extremely clear in using Jesus' own words to identify the fact that, while the Father is "greater" than the Son, the Father is not "better" than the Son. Greater being an indication of position (each member of the Godhead submits to the other members of the Godhead). Better is an indication of quality or essence (each member of the Godhead is of the same quality or essence. I hope that I'm not going too far! Unitarianism denies Jesus' own words. The early Adventist publisher, Joshua V. Himes, was a Unitarian. When he discovered the profitability of what William Miller was preaching, he began to publish Millers sermons, writings and lectures. James White was a member of the Christian Connexion (yes, spelled with an "x.") Over the last few years, there has been more information available on the Christian Connexion. The Christian Connexion was the exact same in its theology of Christ as the early Adventists and the Jehovah's Witensses. They taught that Jesus was a being created at some time in the distant past, a "lesser god" if you will. The reason that Joshua V. Himes was comfortable publishing the works of the early Adventists was that his Unitarian theology was compatible with their Arian theology. (Arian theology comes from Arius of Alexandria, who proposed that Jesus was a created being. The church, based on Biblical evidence, denounced his teachings as heretical in AD 325 at the Council of Nicea.) THE MAIN POINT: The main point of all of this is: Do we accept Jesus' words, the words of the Bible or do we reject the Bible so that our doctrine is palatable to the human mind? The following will be a brief listing of a few key Bible texts on the subject. John 1:1 "The word was God." In the Greek, the emphasis was placed on the first word in the sentence. In the Greek, the text actually reads, "God was the Word." John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I AM." The Jews picked up stones to stone him, but he hid himself and went out of the temple. Why stoning? He was making himself equal with the Father. Not sure of that? See the next one. John 10:30-33 "I and the Father are one." (30) "You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (33) Did the Jews know what Jesus was claiming? Of course they did, and they couldn't stand it. John 1:3, and Colossians 1:16 All things were created by Jesus. If Jesus was a created being, how could scripture say that "all" things were created by Him? If Jesus was created, the scripture would have to say that the Father created all things, but it couldn't say that about Jesus. Hebrews 1:1-14 WOW! What a passage! Verse 8 is a classic: "But of the Son He [the Father] says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.' " Did you get that?! The Father calls the Son God! Philippians 2:5-11 WOW! Another great passage! v. 5-7: Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men." This is known as the Kenosis, the emptying. It comes from the greek Keno'o, which means to make void, of none effect, to make empty. What did Jesus have to empty Himself of if He was not God? Titus 2:13 ". . . our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus." Isaiah & Revelation Isaiah 41:4 Who has performed and accomplished it, Calling forth the generations from the beginning? 'I, the LORD, am the first, and with the last. I am He.' Isaiah 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me. Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 21:6 Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Revelation 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. How many firsts and lasts can there be? How many beginnings and ends? How many alphas and omegas? And that's just for the second person of the Trinity. (And this is a brief overview.) There's about as much on the Holy Spirit as well. Two passages: Acts 5:1-5 In v. 3 Peter asks Ananias why he lied to the Holy Spirit. In v. 4 Peter tells Ananias that he has lied, not to men, but to God. Acts 13:2 "While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, 'Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.' " Who called Barnabas and Saul? God called them. If the Holy Spirit were just a "force" like the wind or electricity, how could he say anything or call anyone? The Holy Spirit is God. Three co-eternal, co-equal persons. One eternal being. Three Persons submitting themselves to each other for the purpose of redeeming mankind. One Being to whom we give glory and praise. Angie, I know I can be long-winded about the Trinity. If you want me to be shorter, I'd be more than happy to accomodate. There is so much on the Trinity. Unitarianism and any other isms that deny the clear teaching of the Bible are not to trying to bring clarity to human understanding, they are attempting to denigrate God from the all-Glorious position He truly holds as Supreme and Sovereign Creator, Sustainer and Redeemer of the universe. I would never be stupid enough to say that I understand God. Garner Ted Armstrong wrote a small pamphlet titled (if my memory serves me right) "Is God a Mystery?" He attempts to show that God is not a mystery. The unknown author of Theologica Germanica said that God, the Perfect, the All, cannot be known by the creature, or He would not be the only One. In effect, to be able to understand God is impossible for a human being. However, to understand what God has revealed should always be our objective. Sabbath (and Sunday) school teachers who wimp out and tell children with serious questions that the Trinity is a "mystery" are both speaking truth and a lie. What the children (and adults) need is to understand what God has revealed, and He has revealed much. The lie is when the child goes home and begins the long process of losing faith in the faith that has been once and for all handed down to the saints (Jude 3) because the teacher was unable to give the child something to stimulate them toward realizing God is truly greater than we can express. But we should always express these things to anyone who asks (1 Peter 3:15). Perhaps some other time, if necessary, I can give a little more on James White, the Christian Connexion, Unitarianism and Adventism. Hope this is OK for now. Steve | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
WOW Steve,that's really deep!!I will definitely keep this!I really do need to do a study on this.Seems like I remember one of the older adventist said that Jesus was a created being,I guess that was the Arian belief.So could that be why adventist don't hold the NT as God's word,or if God said it then whatever Jesus says,if it's not what God said then you go by what God said.Does that make sence??In 1John2:3,4,when it says, those that keep not his commandments,adventist automatticlly think the 10 b/c God said it. Make sence? Angie | ||
| Doc (Doc) |
It does make sense Angie, I think SDAs certainly think less of Jesus than they should. John does give a definition of what he is talking about when he mentions God's commandments, however - See I. John 18-25. These are definitely God's commands (not Jesus' in this case - see v. 21-22). And they are: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he has commanded us. The word for commandment is entolé, as also in Rev 12: 17, and this is the definition. It is interesting that the expression "the ten commandments" only occurs three times in the Bible and the word "commandment" is not in the original Hebrew - it actually says, "the ten words" or it could mean saying or precepts. The LXX is the same. The word commandment is only in the translation. Sorry, just a ramble. God bless, doc | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
I left off the other night with false teachings concerning Christ from various cults and will finish tonight on their thoughts concerning Jesus. Beginning with Eastern Mysticism: 1.All religions from times immemorial are just different branches of the main trunk of the eternal religion represented by the Vedas. (What in the world is that folks?) 2."I don't think Christ ever suffered or Christ could suffer"(quoted by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi) 3.Christ is considered to be one of a long line of "Masters" who had themselves realized divinity. They are recognized as "divine" and addressed as such. Through such individualists at various times in history, the "divine truth" was transmitted to men. His picture is frequently to be seen beside that of Buddha, or of Shankaracharya, or Yogananda, or other recognized "Divine Leaders." 4.The "Masters" are considered to be realized expressions of divinity and, and, as such, are worshiped. Current Religious Movements of Eastern Mysticism are Bahaism, Divine Light Mission, Krishna Consciousness, Transcendental Meditation, Vedanta Society, Yoga, and Zen Buddhism. cont'd | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
The Way International teaches this about Christ: 1. The gospel of John established the truth of God's word that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, but not God the Son--or God Himself. 2. Jesus Christ's existence began when he was conceived by God's creating the soul-life of Jesus in Mary. 3. The created word (Jesus Christ) was with God in His foreknowledge--the same way that "we the chosen of God" were called in Him in His foreknowledge. 4. When Jesus was born, he came into existence. Foreknowledge became a reality. 5. Jesus and God are not one from the beginning, but they were one in purpose. 6. Jesus just "took part, not all" of Adam's flesh and blood. (I don't even want to try to understand that statement, do you?) 7. He was sinless because he was conceived by the Holy Spirit, yet was born of Mary with a body of flesh, as all mankind. 8. Jesus Christ was a man....whose life was without blemish and without spot, a lamb from the flock, thereaby being the perfect sacrifice. Thus he became our redeemer. 9. After Jesus Christ was sacrificed, was resurrected and then ascended, it was possible for God to send His gift which dwells permanently in all believers. cont'd | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
ERRORS TAUGHT ABOUT JESUS BY UNITY: 1. The Krishna of the Hindu is the same as the Christos of the Greeks and the Messiah of the Hebrews. 2. There were in the person of Jesus two distinct regions--the fleshly, mortal part which was Jesus, the son of man, then there was the central, living, real part which was Spirit, the Son of God, the Christ, the Annointed. So...each one of us has two regions of being--the fleshly, mortal...and at the very center of our being there is the...Christ Child, the Son of God, the Anointed in us. 3. This Christ or perfect-man idea existing eternally in divine mind is the TRUE (HA) spiritual, higher-self of every individual. 4. This same Christ lives within us that lived in Jesus. It is the part of Himself which God has put within us, which ever lives there.... Christ, within us is the "beloved Son," the same as it ws in Jesus. Hog-wash cont'd (IF I can bear to finish this section, that is) |
