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Carol_2 (Carol_2)
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 12:03 pm: |     |
I agree with everyone, I cannot imagine the Baptish denomination selling Eggwhite books (I thought I was the only one who said "eggwhite.") And it frustrates me too, that they are encouraging their own to run out & purchase these so Walmart will think they have a "hit" on their hands. Don't know how much truth is in all this, but makes me want to especially alert everyone I know NOT to buy these books. Lucky this came up on this forum, huh??? Love you all, Carol #2 |
Marykay (Marykay)
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 12:48 pm: | |
I want to puke. Those books are nothing but egw lies. Seventh day Adventists ..more like seventh day inventors. |
Another_Carol (Another_Carol)
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 12:48 pm: | |
Something that I noticed that is in line with everything SDA does is: We are requesting that until we have a signed contract that no one would contact Wal-Mart or that broadcast this information to the general public. We don't want to give the Devil an opportunity to influence them not to carry the books.
I wonder why any one would want to discourage the "truth" of the word of God if it is in fact "The Truth"?
Do you suppose we could make a plea to Wal-mart to
to discourage such placement?
Keep evil from the poor soul who is looking for truth, Carol |
Another_Carol (Another_Carol)
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 1:12 pm: | |
I have just sent a concern to wal-mart and pray that they will look at this with great concern for those who might stumble onto what they believe to be truth.
Thank you Pheeki for making us aware of this.
Because I must spread truth, Carol |
Jerry (Jerry)
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 1:52 pm: | |
E-mailed them as well. |
Colleentinker (Colleentinker)
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 3:17 pm: | |
I have emailed also. Thanks, Pheeki!
Colleen |
Dennis (Dennis)
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:01 pm: | |
I also emailed their Wholesale Purchasing Division: Book Department. |
Lydell (Lydell)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 6:14 am: | |
Well, I do think the message is drivel. However, I guess we should all keep an eye out for them in the Wal-Marts we visit. I'm thinking if you should ever see them in ANY store you don't buy them. My gut reaction is to buy all of them and trash them to keep them out of the innocent ones hands. Yet, buying them all sends the message that these are great and they should get more. I'm thinking if we ever see them anywhere we point out to the local manager that they are strictly a denominational thing. Could help.
And by the way....we just discovered that our city has one of those putrid "saturday is the sabbath" billboards. GAG! Now, just putting aside the whole issue that the billboard is spouting a lie. It's really a hoot...IF anyone were to see the billboards and be convinced and attend the local SDA congregations, they would NOT be welcome if: they don't have a southern accent, they "aren't from around here", they don't dress just so, if it's a woman and she is wearing makeup or jewelry, their lifestyle is a bit different from the SDA "norm", their skin is the wrong color, they ask questions instead of swallowing the lies whole .......
It just baffles me that anyone would bother to put out money on a billboard when they are not about to welcome the people into their congregation! Anyway, it just made my blood boil to see the billboard. My husband and I talked about it and decided that, if one were into vandalism, it would be a pretty joyful thing to spend time sitting in jail for that one. hahaha
Praise God for freedom from oppression. Enjoy your freedom from the sabbath law day.
By the way, there is an SDA lady we have corresponded with via e-mail for 7 or 8 years now. We just got word yesterday that she has died (following a brief illness with cancer). After her diagnoses, I'd attempted to share with her the truth of what happens at death, and didn't really feel like I'd gotten thru to her. Just imagine her surprised delight to find herself there NOW in the presence of Jesus!! |
Doug222 (Doug222)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 9:19 am: | |
Hello all. I've not posted in a while, but have been lurking from time to time. This email sounds like an internet hoax. The thing that gives it away to me is this:
Quote:We are requesting that until we have a signed contract that no one would contact Wal-Mart or that broadcast this information to the general public. We don't want to give the Devil an opportunity to influence them not to carry the books. Once we have the signed contract and have the location of the 200 test stores I am going to contact everyone and request that they contact everyone they know in those cities and towns and have them buy 1, 5, 10 copies of these books so that they become a best seller for Wal-Mart and then they will roll them out to all the other Wal-Mart Stores.
I am not sure who supposedly was the originator of this e-mail, but the SDA Church is a little more savvy than this. They have had many years to perfect teier deceptive tecniques. They would have secured the contract before ever allowing this information to be leaked to the general congregation--for just the reasons that have been stated. They only bring the whoile congregation in on the "revival" deceptions because they need the members to participate in it. Also, the bit about buying up the stock of books is just a little too blatant. I cannot see anyone putting an instruction like that in writing. Of course I am not saying that it wouldn't occur, just that it would not be put in writing.
The other thing that seems fishy about this post, is the statement about who they are. It says:
Quote:Remnant Publications is a non-profit, Seventh-day Adventist supporting ministry located in Coldwater, MI. The ministry was organized in 1986 and has been serving the Christian and secular marketplace for over 12 years.
Now, admittedly I don't know anything about publishing, but doesn't it seem odd that a "non-profit" organization would be negotiating with Walmart to carry these books. The SDA Church I know would never miss an opportunity to make a buck, and there will be more than a few bucks made off of this deal. Would they even authorize a non-profit organization to sell their most prized posession? Seems unlikely to me.
It doesn't surprise me that those who have done some research on this aren't finding much evidence of its validity.
Those are just my uninformed thoughts. Someone who knows the business end of the church better than I might be able to dispute them.
In Gid's Grace
Doug |
Thomas1 (Thomas1)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 12:28 pm: | |
Though I agree this email seems "fishy"..A thought occours to me that the SDA church is itself, a "non-profit" organization. To say that they do not make profits and secure fortunes would be a grose mis-statement.
If you will look at the site of this organization, you will find that they represent themselves to be just what this email says they are. |
Doug222 (Doug222)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 2:27 pm: | |
Thomas,
You are absolutely right. I stand corrected. I didn't look at their web site earlier, but it exactly as it is represented in the e-mail. The interesting thing I noticed about the site is that unlike the e-mail above, all connections to any particular denomination on the website have been removed. No one would know that this is a para-church ministry of the SDA Church. In fact, look at the description that is given for the "Conflict of the Ages Series" (which by the way, is called the "Bible Study Companion Set:"
Quote:ìI just CANíT understand the Bible.î Whether youíre white, black, or Spanish-speaking brown, ìcanítî is not a word you are allowed to use with this popular set a few mouse clicks away.
The Bible Study Companion Set is simply the most beautifully written and insightful Bible commentary ever produced. These five-volumes, covering the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, have made the Bible come alive for millions of readers. The characters and lessons of the Bible will come to life through exciting and thought provoking stories. Each chapter shares practical and life-changing principles that can be applied to the challenges of everyday life.
No reference is made to the SDA Church, the author, or inspiration. An unsuspecting reader would assume this is just another Bible Commentary--which it is clearly not. Somethings (like deception), never change.
Doug |
Sabra (Sabra)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 2:30 pm: | |
It seems fake to me too, but I e-mailed and if nothing else, Walmart customer service will know that SDA's are 'out there'
Lydell, we have one of those big black and yellow billboards too, I just wanna egg it! |
Angie (Angie)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 5:09 pm: | |
We have 2 in a 5 mile radious[sp]and the even sadder thing is...I used to give to the people responsible for them.Jerry has gotten 'The Adventist Lightbearer'this week,it always tell where the new signs are located.They have like 3 different signs out now,they are so proud!Here is their way of justifing the signs:"Write the vision,and make it plain upon tables,that he may run that readeth it.Hab.2:2" Yea,those that read it need to run alright!!And the 800#,call it and they willsend you a copy of DoA and GC,or that's what it used to be.I used to be proud of them too,God forgave me though!!I had called these people and other that keep sending this stuff and told them to quit,but of course they didn't.I guess it was wrong of me to do that anyways b/c of Jerry.Maybe the mail lady could just through up the flag when this stuff is in there so I don't have to even touch it,haha. Angie |
Dennis (Dennis)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 5:24 pm: | |
It appears unethical for Remnant Publications to be a member of the Christian Booksellers Association (based on their deceptive Mission Statement, etc.) To my knowledge, no Adventist Book Center is a member. We should email CBA as well.
Dennis J. Fischer |
Sabra (Sabra)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 6:27 pm: | |
Do people really call that number? I guess if they are putting more up. Boy, wont they be surprised when the AC rears his ugly head? Or will they even recognize him? |
Dennis (Dennis)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 7:50 pm: | |
In further reviewing the website of Remnant Publicatons, I noticed their unethical and deceptive methodology in publishing books attributed to Ellen G. White under the unofficial pen name as "E. G. White." The general public is somewhat acquainted with the name, Ellen White, but they may not make the connection when seeing her name on a book cover as "E. G. White."
Also, E. G. White sounds alot like the well-known author, E. B. White. These two initials do not denote any gender identity either. All these factors would be confusing to a shopper at a Walmart store. Not only are Adventists trying to conceal their denominational identity as usual, but now they are working overtime to find new ways to hide the personal identity of their beloved prophetess and favorite Bible commentator as well.
Seventh-day Adventists are noted for setting up proxy organizations and businesses to deceive the public (i.e., Home Health Education Service, the colporteur's retail credit center). Certainly, the physicians and dentists, displaying Adventist Bible Story books in their offices, are not aware that they are an integral part of the SDA evangelistic team.
Dennis J. Fischer |
Sabra (Sabra)
| | Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 12:57 pm: | |
Dennis,
Those Bible Story books really get on my nerves, I just go anywhere and there they are. I think we should get one of those chain e-mails going to warn everyone about them and send it to every Dr's office on the web. I think I will just get started on that.  |
Lydell (Lydell)
| | Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 2:07 pm: | |
Sabra, it helps sometimes to bring it to the attention of the physician. I had one who is a Christian become genuinely upset to find out what he had in his office.
Hey Sabra, the ads make wonderful scratch paper for writing such messages as, "these stories are taken from the writings of a false prophetess, NOT the Bible."
By the way, I was at a quilt guild meeting at a local Baptist church and was shocked to see that series in their church library. Located the lady in charge of the library and filled her in. She was plenty shocked and had them removed. Thankfully they had always been located way up on a top shelf. She said she didn't know why, but she had just always kept them way up there. Sounds like a God thing to me!
Anyway, it is a good reminder for everyone to check out their church's library for Adventist stuff. As has been said, the books don't always have any indicator on them that it is Adventist or eggwhite. Undoubtedly the pastor and person in charge of the library will be very thankful to have this pointed out to them. And it IS something we need to let our friends know about as well. |
Angie (Angie)
| | Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 5:35 pm: | |
These books that you are talking about,are they the ones by,Arthur Maxwell? |
Sabra (Sabra)
| | Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 7:01 pm: | |
quote-Hey Sabra, the ads make wonderful scratch paper for writing such messages as, "these stories are taken from the writings of a false prophetess, NOT the Bible."
Gotcha Lydell, but I'm not so nice, I write stuff like "This book is from the Seventh day Adventist Cult, Beware!" I have mentioned to the staff a couple of times "Do you realize that these books are distributed by the SDA church?"and they look at me like I'm nuts, so there you go.
Yeas, Angie, those are the ones. |
Doug222 (Doug222)
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 12:29 am: | |
Sabra,
Do you find that most people even know who SDA's are? My experience has been that people either have no clue about who SDA's are, or they associate them with doctrines such as the Sabbath or not eating meat, however they don't know too much beyond that. I think only those who are fairly well studied have any idea of the cultic doctrines associated with the movement.
DOug |
Janice (Janice)
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 1:46 am: | |
Yielding Control
http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/odb/odb.shtml
I hope everyone enjoyed their weekend and spent time in God's house, amen. Hope you enjoy these devotionals today.
Acts of Kindness http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/devotional/index_76096.html
I don't have time to post this morning but plan to post scripture references this evening that concern salvation, Baptists call it the "Roman Road" and I hope all that visit at FAF have traveled down it.
Janice |
Another_Carol (Another_Carol)
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 6:23 am: | |
Welcome back Doug,I've been concerned about where you might have gone. Tell me sometime those other forums you and others have talked about. I look at some but I can't seem to navigate on them like this one and never really see anything worth messing with. I would like to know of forums where other SDA's post thereby learning more about what makes them tick. Because by knowing what propels a person you can be more informed as to how to approach them.
As far as what you wrote about the information Pheeki shared concerning Walmart contract to sell Conflict of Ages Series; if there is nothing to it then what would be the motive for circulating such? Coming from the position of anything decietful is destructive I just don't get it. Also remember I am not nor ever have been SDA.
Thanks for sharing with us again, Carol |
Doug222 (Doug222)
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 6:50 am: | |
Carol,
Thank you for the welcome (back). From time to time, I drop out of site for a little sabbatical. This time, I ended up on some other sites as well. The last one I visited has one or two Adventists on it--one in particular who was quite vocal. Most of the posters are not SDA. If you want to see a site that has lots of Adventists, you probably want to look at www.carm.org, then look under SDA. Just realize that these tend to be diehards, and their views may not necessarily be reflective of all Adventists. It can get fairly antagonistic at times. I haven't posted there in many months because I find it to be pretty non-productive.
I was suggesting that the e-mail could have been written by a bored Adventist detractor who didn't have anything better to do; however now that I have looked the the Remnant Publication website, I am not sure. It just seems odd to me that a message of this nature would be circulating in the general public, before the contract was signed and sealed. I don't doubt for a moment that these are tactics that those within the organization might use.
Doug |
Pheeki (Pheeki)
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 2:05 pm: | |
I spent a lot of the afternoon on that site and boy was there some mud slinging going on. One guy djconklin (haven't we seen that alias on here in the archives) keeps battling DrPatti (could that be plain patti that used to post on here?) and keeps quoting that verse in 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. My blood gets hot when I read that...like she is not suppossed to have an opinion!
Anyway, I can see why you say it isn't productive. Interesting reading. |
Sabra (Sabra)
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 4:11 pm: | |
Doug,
I live near Collegedale so there is an SDA church on every corner here but you're right, most people don't know much about them, good thing I guess. If I tell anyone I was raised SDA I get the raised eybrow, "Oh really" I think they equate them with JW or LDS. |
Thomas1 (Thomas1)
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 6:37 pm: | |
Their right! |
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