| Author | Message | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
I just got the latest copy of this guy's newsletter. I think my SDA Mother put me on the mailing list. The newsletter talks about how the Pope and Jesuits and Masons have all been involved in a grand conspiracy to take over the world, and how they send hand signals to each other on TV and in the news. There's also alot of "fuzzy" information about all the mason symbols in the RCC's coat of arms, etc. This stuff feels really cultic and paranoid to me. Do any of you know anything about this guy's ministry? | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Way out there, nut case. That and the Loch Ness Monster will get you an alien abduction. (sigh) | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
Now tell me how you REALLY feel, Jerry ;>) Seriously tho, my folks fell face-first into Bible Codes just last year so I'm very concerned about their ability to see through this hogwash. How is it that Marcussen can keep his SDA ministerial credentials if he is so far out there? | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Oops! Was I too cryptic? Too reserved?  I read his web site once (as much as I could stomach) and never went back. Just a theory: I suppose that since he staunchly proclaims allegiance to EGW and the ìAdvent Message,î the GC cannot realistically suppress him. After all, these types of positions were consciously (if not officially) promoted by the GC at one time or another and are rarely explicitly denied. Besides, he serves a purpose: Scaring susceptible people into joining the SDA church. (ends justify the means, and so on) | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
He is the fellow who has been putting up those billboards along the interstates that have 666 in big, bold type and then a picture of the pope and a picture of the Vatican and under it a toll-free # to call so you can learn the truth of the anti-christ. Bill O'Reilly featured one of this fellows billboards on his show awhile back. You used to be able to get on his website by going to www.666.com but I don't know if it still is available. He is the same fellow who wrote and sells the book, "National Sunday Law", which is an awful book and is available in the literature rack of the local sda church. This fellow sells them in bulk at 35 cents per copy. He claims to have seld millions of these books. I don't have my calculater handy but I figure at 35 cents per copy multiped by millions he is certanily doing very well fininatelly off the paranoid sda extremeists out there. He always starts his letters off with, Greetings from Sweet Venita and me". I guess Sweet Venita must be his wife. I would like to brush him off as just another nut case but really I think he is much more dangerous than that as he truly has a cult following out there among people who identify themselves as Historical Adventists or rather who I refer to as Hysterical Adventists. His newsletters say a lot but really never say anything at all as he gives no sources and no bi-lines on his "quotes". He seems really creepy. | ||
| Palorenz (Palorenz) |
You know, I used to think this ort of thing was an SDA problem, but it's not. This sort of way out cultistic thinking leading to paranoia is replete in the charasmatic circles in the Dallas area. It really got fueled by the Y2K thing a few years ago. What got really scary is that a man named Gary North joined the Y2K "run-to the hills all you 'real' Christian and save yourselves and forget about the Great Commission" movement. North is a big promoter of the Christian Reconstructionist movement, which is a way out right wing cult with a lot of conspiracy theories in it. Trouble is, a lot of frustrated, conservative Christians seem to buy it. It's as if there's an attitude out there that leans toward this sort of thing in all Christian circles. | ||
| Cindy (Cindy) |
Palorenz... Yes, there is a mindset that is drawn to the conspiracy theorys and "end-time events" predictions. I recall some panic over the "bar codes" on products! My now deceased grandmother was not happy when my mother became pregnant with my brother--for "the time of trouble" was very soon upon us...nearly 50 years ago now! There is a relief living in God's grace daily...realizing that today could be our last; but confident that Jesus will never leave us no matter how long this earth may last. Just knowing and resting in Him is enough for me. Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Loneviking (Loneviking) |
Yes, if we live in his grace daily, I can't see how it matters very much if He either comes again or calls us personally home. Our task either way is to work for Him to advance the kingdom. What is that text that says 'sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof'? I can find enough problems today without worrying about the end of the world.............. | ||
| Cindy (Cindy) |
Loneviking, I remember that text you mentioned, but not where it is... These words of JESUS are medicine for my often obsessive worrying: John 16:33 "I have told you these things , so that IN ME you may have PEACE. In this world you will have trouble. But TAKE HEART! I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD." grace always, Cindy | ||
| Cindy (Cindy) |
Just remembered: the "sufficient unto the day" text is also JESUS'... (KJV version, Matthew 6:34.) The NIV reads: ".... each day has enough trouble of its' own." | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Richard has often commented on how his feelings have changed re: living in the country, the mountains, away from people--since being born again. He says he used to want to escape the wickedness of the city--I think it's safe to say he had an underlying compulsion--not really conscious all the time but a powerful emotional draw--to move to the mountains. On vacation, he wanted to be away from people. If he went to the beach, he wished for an empty beach where he could be undisturbed. He says that now he feels completely different about people. (Richard is quite-spoken and fairly introverted; crowds usually exhausted him.) He says he now sees that Jesus never called us to leave the cities and live in the country or to be poised to flee. He sent his disciples INTO the cities, and the apostles continually went into cities to evangelize. He's still quite-spoken and introverted, but he is a new person in relationship to others. He welcomes opportunities to speak for Jesus. He welcomes ministry opportunities, and he even sees the people on a crowded beach as people desperately needing Jesus instead of as major annoyances who destroy his contemplation and quiet. The old SDA mindset of avoiding people, I believe, has more to do with a desire to escape temptation than it does with obedience to Jesus. After all, Jesus never asked us to leave the cities. That was Ellen! Peace and quietness comes from Jesus in us, not from avoiding people. Praise God for Himself and for changing us from the inside! Colleen | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
Jan Marcussen = Classic Nut Case HOEWEVER: There is some documentation linking Ellen G. White with Masonry. In the book, NOTES AND PAPERS CONCERNING ELLEN G. WHITE AND THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY, there is a section entitled, MR. FAULKHEAD AND THE SECRET SIGN, (as told by A. L. White-which means he could have made the whole thing up from his white-washed memory.) N. D. Faulkhead was a man who met Ellen White while she was in Australia. Following are some quotes from that section. The book is published by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, seventh printing, 1974. ___________________________________________________ "Especially was he impressed when she used secret terms employed in the lodge meetings.... She repeated to him words spoken by her guide in reference to these associations, and giving a certain movement that was made by her guide, she said, 'I cannot relate all that was given to me.' Mr. Faulkhead started in surprise, and turned pale. He interrupted Sister White by asking, 'Do you know what you have done?' To This she replied that she was not aware of having done anything unusual. But Mr. Faulkhead excitedly told her that she had just made the secret sign known only to the Masons. The two talked on. Again she made a certain movement, regading which she later states, 'my attending angel made to me.' Again a deadly paleness settled on his countenance. For a second time she had made a secret sign, but this time it was one known only to the highest order of Masons, and one he had just learned a few days before. In fact, only six people in all Australia knew that paticular sign. This secret sign given my Mrs. White, no woman could know, for it is held in the strictest secrecy, and the encampment is guarded both inside and outside against strangers." (Page 364) ___________________________________________________ "As Mr. Faulkhead told the story later to his friends and children, he pointed out that Sister White made no attack on the Masonic Lodge." (Page 365.) ___________________________________________________ It is known that one of EGW's visions parallels one of Joseph Smith, Jr.'s visions. Joseph Smith, Jr. was the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons.) Mormonism uses a significant (LARGE) amount of Masonic rituals in it's temple ceremonies. Just speculation, but perhaps EGW (and her "guide" wanted to get people away from Masonry because it would make them less likely to want to be Mormon, and more likely to join one of the new Rival Religions of the day, Seventh-day Adventism. I'm sure there are rivals in the demonic world, attempting to get moer into their particular brand of cult/occult/satanism to as to please their "Master." (For more on that, read The Screwtape Letters, by C. S. Lewis.) (P.S. Joseph Smith, Jr. was killed in a shoot-out in jail in the summer of 1844. Hmmmmmm, so much going on at that time.) Sinister White, ain't MY sister no mo'. Steve | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
It's all so interesting, Steve! I have also heard from a good source (but I can't quote it because the person doing the research has not officially published it. The researcher, though, has spent many years tracing Mormon-SDA connections including family links between the Whites and certain Mormons.) Here's what the person's geneology research has suggested: The Whites (whether James or Ellen, I'm not sure) have some family connection to Joseph Smith. (I don't know exactly what it is.) There seems also to be a suggestion that Joseph Bates may have had some genetic link with them also. Further, it was known that Joseph Smith had a "spiritual wife" (a common practice among Mormons at least during that time--not legally married, but spiritually "married) whose last name was Daggett. This woman had a twin sister. Apparently it was also known among those close to the family (though not publicly acknowledged) that James White also had a spiritual wife. What this particular researcher has concluded is that there seems to be evience that James White's spiritual wife was the twin sister of Joseph Smith's spiritual wife. It is known that the twin Daggett sisters moved to California after Joseph Smith's murder in 1844, and the small desert town of Daggett that still exists today in the high desert of So. California derived its name from them. Here's an interesting piece of trivia that is known, but this particular researcher has connected it to the previous information. When Loma Linda was founded in the early 1900's, EGW attended. Her "retinue" (or at least the people with whom she was meeting, etc.) knew that she insisted on visiting the town of Daggett when she came for the founding of Loma Linda. No explanation for the visit was recorded, but she did go. In light of the spiritual wife situation, if seems quite likely that her visit to Daggett might have been because she KNEW the Daggett sisters! (James was long since dead by that time.) Ah, the secrets people live with! Jesus was right: the truth sets us free! Colleen | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
Birds of a feather... | ||
| Flo (Flo) |
Wow, that was really interesting, Colleen! I never heard about Daggett before. I had heard something about the Mormon connection and am interested to know more. My aunt and uncle are Mormon and my husband's family lives in Utah. When do you think this researcher will publish?? Palorenz, what a coincidence! I have just been doing research on Reconstructionism and last night downloaded a complete book by Gary North (I didn't know it was a book- 219 pages! and I don't know anything about him personally) It is called "Christian Reconstruction- What It Is, What It Isn't" I've heard it is part and parcel to Dominionism and Post-Mil theories. Also, that the Christian Right in the W.H. hold to this theory- i.e. war in Iraq, etc. Any thoughts anyone? This whole thing has been bugging me in my search for a church and seems much more widespread than just a "way out right wing cult." My mother buys into all this and supports many of the same people promoting it. She seems to idolize the preachers as much as some idolize Ellen. Scary to me. I am so thankful for the blinders to be lifted and the assurance of the wonderful grace of Jesus! Flo | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
I don't know. There may be a connection. An interesting, but irrelevant factoid: James White was born in Palmyra Maine. Joseph Smith wrote the "Book of Mormon" in Palmyra New York. Wierd, huh? | ||
| Palorenz (Palorenz) |
Flo, I'm not saying that the Christian Right and Christian Reconstructionism are the same. True, there is cross teaching going on and I haven't figured out the complete connection between the two. But, the 'left wing' out there loves to brand anyone that expresses faith in Christianity publicly as part of the Christian Right also. Having said that, I was once part of the Christian Right for years and now I'm not. I currently see that mixing of religion and politics as being not really 'dangerous', just potentially poisoning to people's faith. But, hey, I still got answers to find. Paul | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
Good one Jerry. How about this one? Ellen White was a plaigarist, Joseph Smith was a plaigarist! OK, not so wierd as Palmyra. No wonder the North East was called the "Burned Over District." These new religious leaders were trying to out-do each other at every turn. | ||
| Flo (Flo) |
Anyone ever read any books on the "Burned Over District" of the North East? Seems like a fascinating study. As far as religion and politics, seems Jesus' example is what we should follow and He said His kingdom was not of this world. Flo | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
I had a book given to me recently by a lady in my community who identifies herself as an Historical Adventist ( i.e.: Hysterical Adventist). I think the author is this North chartactor. I will get back to you on that. However, the book blames every bad thing that has happened in the United States since the Civil War on the Jesuits. It's totally crazy. According to the author of the book the Jesuits were behind the terrorists attacks on 09-11-01 and the Jesuits are behind it by using the Moslem extremeists as their unknown to themselves, their evil doers. The Jesuits were behind the Federal Building bombing and poor unspecting Timothy McVeigh was used by the Jesuits to do this great evil. The Jesuits were also behind the Waco tragedy as well as being the evil organization that put the Federal Reserve system into place. The author even says that former president Bill Clinton was behind the 09-11-01 terrist attacks and that he is really a secret Jesuit. Now, I have no love in me for that particular former president but I don't believe for a nano-second that he was behind anything like those terrorist attacks. I'll get back on the Internet here and let you all know the name of the book, the author and how you can order your own free copy. | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
(Sigh) . . . and here I was thinking we were not going to have anything as good as the olí ìcommunist conspiracy/tri-lateral commission/area 51î theology on which to blame everything. This is WWAAAYYYY better. So: Stub my toe = Jesuits did it. Volcano in Central America = Jesuit plot. Bread stale when I get it out = Secret Jesuit recipe. . . . Wait a minute. Why bother with lists . . . Something I donít like = Jesuits. There, that ought to do it! <<rolls eyes>>> | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Yep, Jerry--The Jesuits have been (for as long as I can remember) the secret fly in every religious/politcal ointment over which the Adventists have worried! Flo, good point about bringing us back to Jesus. The fact is that we really don't have enough information to figure out exactly what's going on. We know things will get worse before they get better. We know Jesus is already King, and the day is coming when everyone will bow before him and acknowledge Him to be King. When you think about the history of the U.S., it's only about 250 years, and look at what it's become and at the blessings God has arranged for us in the church here to share with the world. But when you look at the OT and read the history of Israel, 250 years is a blink of an eye. What seems powerful and entrenched can disappear almost overnight. God's justice and judgment are at work, and we can't even properly see all the purposes God had in settling this hemisphere and making it so prosperous--and it doesn't even show up in the major prophetic time lines in the OT and Revelation! The one thing we CAN know is that Jesus is victorious, he has called us to be his, he gives us his work, and his Spirit will never cease to give us the insight, wisdom, and understanding of the mind of Christ to protect us from deception as long as we surrender continually to him. We will know what we need to know when we need to know it! And we can also know a great deception will come upon the world, but God has given us enough advance warning to let us know we need to pray for protection from it. The Jesuits are certainly a convenient scapegoat! Colleen | ||
| Palorenz (Palorenz) |
Everyone, Actually, there is another man/group/business/ministry that is more extreme about the Jesuits than SDAism: Jack Chick Publications. Ocassionally I use to find his material is SDA circles. Basically blames every minor and major accident, calamity, and attack on the Vatican and the Jesuits.Another would be Dave Hunt, who I think is local to the Dallas, Texas area. His eschatology is real close to SDAism. Susan 2, I really think one of these guys is who published that material you saw. Christian Reconstructionism doesn't seem to have too much of a problem with the Catholic faith, even though that movement is certainly ultra-protestant. Paul Paul | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
The book I wasgiven has many quotesin it from the Chich Plubications. The author uses theChick trash as his referrenced proof. | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
Just got Marcussen's current monthly cultic babble... Apparently Bush and Jacques Chirac made a masonic "M" with their bodies and arms when they greeted each other. According to Pastor Jan, this signaled that everything is still on track with the Jesuit takeover of the world *winkwink*. This stuff would have me rolling on the floor laughing if my Mom wasn't so hooked on this donkey dung. | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
They made the ìMasonic Mî did they? That does it!!! Iím putting the tin-foil on my windows RIGHT NOW!!! RATS!!! I forgot to check for ìcrop circlesî in my lawn!!! Oh well, too late now. Got to go to the fallout cellar. Umm. I donít have one. Oops. | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
That won't be necessary... The masonic "M" signifies the solidarity of the Jesuit takeover, so resistance is futile... ;>) I am simply stunned that this guy is allowed to keep his SDA pastor credential! He even puts out his own Sabbath School quarterly. As long as one claims allegiance to EGW and the Sabbath, I guess anything else like fantastic claims and cultic extremism goes... | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
The extremists are the REAL Seventh-day Adventists! The GC is just playing around with EGW and her ideas. | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
You're right, Steve. Jerry, your window tin-foil reminded me of our 16-yr-old son walking into the room a few months ago looking routinely bored and nonchalant except for the tin foil he had fitted onto his head. He looked at us with a deadpan face and said, "They're coming!", and then left the room. He failed to mention whether "they" were the Jesuits, the Masons, the trilateral commission, or mere aliens, but it probably doesn't matter. We hooted anyway! Colleen |
