| Author | Message | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Pheeki, Before I passed him off so quickly, I would study ALL references to wine. In many places it is grape juice, unfermented, but some instances it is alcolholic in content. Don't have a clue who this SB is but just thought I would mention that you shouldn't judge him as someone "going against scripture" so quickly. Janice | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
He's a nut, God bless him, I pray for him almost everyday, BUT I'm thinking grape juice in a leather pouch in the hot sun is not going to stay grape juice for long, just my thought. It may have started out that way but really, no refridgeration and it's gonna ferment. SB sent me the latest newsletter and all through there he talked about how the Sabbath is our peace. I wrote him and gave him LOTS of scriptures showing Jesus is our peace and how Jesus told the Pharisees if they had only known the peace that was among them........ He told me the peace was internalized. I said exactly my point, you are pointing people to an outward sign and the peace is written on our hearts. No comment. I hate to think he knows and just is to proud to admit it, I just keep praying. | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
I also get his newsletters. There seems so be a real hard spot in his heart for "Sunday-keepers". He truly at this time is the crown jewel of the SDA denomination. The average SDA person will cling to the words of SB more at this time it seems to me than too the words of EGW. I think this is because your average SDA will be able to tell people that SB is contemporary. By that I mean that he is here now. H hasn't been dead for nearly 100 years as EGW has. They can refer to SB's university scholarship. SB has been to many universities and hasÝmany degrees. He even went through the Vatican theological school and for some reason that I can't figure out, the fact that SB went to school at the Vatican seems very important to Adventists. Even SB in one of his recent newsletters does admit the passage that says not to judge someone by the Sabbaths, the feast days, etc., I believe the passage is in either 1 or 2 Cor., even he now admits that that passage is referring to the weekly 7th day, Saturday. However, he then goes on to say that it is referring to all the rules the Jews and the Pharassies put onto the 7th day and not the time period itself. You can go to his website and read all his newsletters, that should keep you busy for the the next decade. I just thought of something-maybe EGW and SB have he same disorder that causes the to do so much writing because just as EGW had somethig to say on just about everything, so does SB. | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
I dunno about that Susan, all of the SDA's I've corresponded with lately think he is a jesuit spy because he has shown that the RCC did not in fact, change the Sabbath, and he has questioned the IJ and EGW, boy, guess you had to be an SDA to understand this post! | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
Sabra, We have a lady in our community who is what's called a Historical Adventist. When she told me this I was in a jolly mood and I lost my druthers and I burst out saying to her "Oh, you're one of those Hysterical Adventists?" It didn't seem to go over with her too well although she isn't too obnixious to me about reigion because she dosen't have hardly anyone to be a friend to her and I do go visit with her every few weeks or so. Anyway, she totaly believes that SB is a Jesuit. I finilly one day told her I too am a Jesuit. The word Jesuit simply means, "society of Jesus". She puts that Jan Marrcussian literature all over town, in the laundromats, at the post office, etc. She won't even go into the local SDA church because it has been so overfilled with Jesuit spys. And, it is very sad because she really has no friends and that's her own doing. The local Adventists several years ago tried to befriend her and she refused their kindness. Now she is sueing our puny, little city because she tripped and fell on the sidewalk and had to get stitches. I told her it wasn't right of her to not watch where she is walking (she's not disabled or blind, just a nut) and then try to get $ out of the hard working taxpayers of this town. Yeah, on some things one must be or have been SDA to even understand the lingo. | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Yeah, those Jesuits!! Always obsessing over . . . whatís His name . . . Jesus!! When they should be worshipping, I mean, observing the Sabbath. ;) I am kidding, of course. However, the more I listen to ěhistoric Adventists,î the more I become convinced that they do demote Jesus below his shadow. Which makes the insult all the more meaningful: ěTheyíre all just a bunch of JESUITS.î How sad. | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Thank-you Jerry. That was what I was wondering about when I posted about my brother saying Jabez had all the same blessings available to him prior to Christ. Isn't that in a way saying Christ didn't need to come? Isn't that not fully realizing what Christ did and how everything has changed! I feel like he doesn't have the full revelation of Christ. By the way...we have our local nut case here. She thinks Catholics (namely Jesuits) have infiltrated the SDA church to introduce "celebration". She also is paranoid and thinks anytime the pastor talks about a particular sin (fornication, is the sermon she was mentioning to me) that he looks right at her and is talking to her. She also frequently sues people b/c she can't hold a job. Small world. | ||
| Amt (Amt) |
Hi! I'm new to the forum. I'm in my mid-20's now and I remember that as I child the mention of Sunday Law just brought dread to my heart. I was so scared. The way I was taught was that before the 2nd coming there will be a Sunday law and a persecution of those who keep the Sabbath. It totally took away the joy of the second coming for me. As a child I remember longing for the day I would see Jesus and go to heaven but then the thought of being tortured to death just dampened my enthusiam. It's kind of sad that something as wonderful as seeing Jesus coming down from the clouds is ruined by fear. | ||
| Carol_2 (Carol_2) |
Welcome Amt! Many of us here can certainly understand the fear you described. For the first time in my life, I truly am filled with joy at the prospect of Jesus' coming to take us HOME! Please continue to write, as this forum can be a wonderful support group for persons such as yourself! Love and prayers to all, Carol #2 | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
Pheeki, that "nut case" you refer to may actually be my Mother! And I'm only half kidding. Bless her heart, she forwards me a monthly newsletter from this guy out of Illinois named Jan Marcussen who claims the same thing. I think this guy is a former SDA pastor and is extremely historical in his doctrine towards EGW and SDA. I think that he claims that only those who adhere to all original SDA doctrine will be translated when Jesus comes. The newsletters are poor-quality and have a Tony Alamo feel to them. Mostly newspaper clippings and personal diatribes about Jesuits, prophecy, beasts, sabbath, etc. Anybody else ever hear of this guy or see one of his newsletters? | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
duh. | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Jan Marcussen? Yep (shudder) read one thing from him, got a headache from it, filed it under ědonít even think about recycling this, straight to the bottom of the birdcage, if you please.î | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
I've heard the same things about Jan Marcussen, although I can't remember if I've ever read one of his publications. Sensationalist, innacurate, EGW-biased, etc. Welcome to the forum, Amt! I hope we continue to hear from you! Colleen | ||
| Madelia (Madelia) |
Here's a question I have about the alleged National Sunday Law? Does it just apply to the U.S.? If so, what happens to Adventists in other countries? Or is the idea that in other countries SDA's are being persecuted now and the end will be when it happens in the U.S. I've seen that National Sunday Law at some SDA churches, but have never read it. These questions popped into my mind when my husband invited some fellow SDA church members to our house last Saturday. One of them was talking about the future "when they're going to take away our churches and we have to meet in home." | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
Madelia, The original concept was ěSunday Lawî without adding ěNationalî to the front. Here is a fairly good explanation of the concept: Sunday Law | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
EGW taught that there would first be a national Sunday law, followed fairly shortly (no specific time frame predicted) by an international Sunday law. She actually said that as long as it was just a law that specified people had to worship on Sunday, Adventists should honor it by avoiding secular work and by holding evangelistic and ministry outreaches on that day. The bigger problem, she said, would happen when "they" made it illegal to worship on any day except Sunday. That would incur the death penalty for the faithful remnant. Ellen wrote about the Sunday laws in The Great Controversy. I grew up learning that "they" would eventually take away our Bibles and that only the texts we had memorized would be available to us. Therefore we had to work diligently to memorize as many verses as we could before we lost our freedom. Also during the Sunday law time, which would initiate the Time of Trouble, the faithful would have to flee to and hide in the hills. (Richard has often wondered how Ellen's visions failed to account for the global positioning and reconnaissance satellites, infra-red sensors, etc. that make running to the hills a fairly pointless method of escape.) All of this, of course, would happen to the faithful after they had so perfectly reproduced the character of Christ in them that they would be able to go through this most dreadful time in history without a mediator. I am more and more overwhelmed at the absolute security and dependability of God's constant presence, of Jesus' finished work, and of the Holy Spirit's unbroken residence in us. Jesus is our mediator and high priest forever, and the Holy Spirit will not withdraw from believers' hearts when times are life-threatening. Praise Him! Colleen | ||
| Madelia (Madelia) |
Thanks Jerry and Colleen. I had to chuckle reading Richard's thoughts about the infra-red sensors, etc.! I overhead Danny Shelton on 3ABN saying the reason the Lord is delaying his second coming is that he is waiting for us to perfect our characters and become like Him. I was reminded of that when I read what you said, Colleen, about those who had perfected their characters being able to make it through the times of trouble. And I had to laugh to myself last Saturday when this person talked about "they" Sounded pretty paranoid to me! | ||
| Chris (Chris) |
I wonder if anywone else here went to an Adventist boarding academy where they played "survival games" based on the end time senario of "Sunday Keepers" hunting down "Sabbath keepers". At Sunnydale Academy in MO I remember a Saturday afternoon where we went to a nearby wooded area and the faculty played the Sunday keepers and we had to try to make our way out of the woods back to the dormatories without getting caught (tagged). If you got caught you would be put on mock trial and could only use bible versus from your memory to defend the Sabbath. I have a good friend here who went to Campion in CO and he said they did nearly the same thing on retreats up in the Rockies. Is it just these two schools or has anyone else experienced this? Chris | ||
| Leigh (Leigh) |
When i was probably about 9 or 10 I decided that i should try to sleep without my pillow, because when we have to escape to the hills and caves, I wouldn't have a pillow. I would be sleeping on the hard ground and I figured I'd better get used to it. I never did play "Survivor" Adventist style, though. | ||
| Doug222 (Doug222) |
Wow Chris, did you really play that game? Of course the truth of the matter is that had I known of this game before, I would have used it for an AY program (hanging my head in shame). Although I never played that game, I do remember my family reading the story "Now" for devotions over the course of a couple weeks when I was a kid. Does anyone remember that story? Quite frightening to say the least. There is also a book that I read a couple years ago. I can't remember the title, but it was set in the Maryland/DC area, and it was one Pastor's idea of what might happen at the end of time. It ended with Jesus coming just as a group of Adventists on the run were about to be executed. Does anyone know the name of that book? Doug |
