| Author | Message | ||
| Ken Clark |
Hi Steve: I have not read the Clear Word Bible. What is it and can I get it on a CD for my Macintosh. I would love to add this to my collection of e-Bibles Ken | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Hi Ken, I have to admit, you're fun to talk to! And for that reason I have to believe there just might be a tiny bit of a tendency to "pull our legs" in your postings? Right or wrong? Of course you know that the "Authorized" Bible (KJV) was authorized in 1611, not by God himself, but by English King James who wasn't even a very good Christian. Of course you know how to get a CD of the "Clear Word" Bible -- which isn't really a Bible at all -- if you really want one. Do you? Hint: Call your local SDA Book and Bible House. Expanded paraphrase is perhaps the kindest thing that can be said about it. Less kind, but more accurate, would be this description: It is an Ellen G. White commentary on the KJV. And speaking of quizzes, I have a question for YOU: Where in most ancient Greek New Testament manuscripts will you find the text (1 John 5:7 KJV) that says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"? Answer: Nowhere! Explanation from the text note to John 5:7 NIV: "At the end of this verse, some older English version is add the words ["the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"].... But the addition is not found in any Greek manuscript or NT translation prior to the 16th century." 16th century! Come on, Ken, give us FAF folks a break! And all the Biblical scholars, church historians and archaeologists as well. Including the best the SDA church has to offer. Even the most conservative ones, such as the fine folks at the SDA Theological Seminary at Andrews University. Get real, Ken. The only support you'll find for your idolatry of the KJV will be among the so-called "historical Adventists" who are leaving the SDA church right now like water cascading through a break in the dam. Or maybe you are a "historical Adventist." Are you? I respect historical Adventists if they will be honest with me and admit where they're coming from. Are you being honest with me? You ended your post with this quote: "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16." You may be interested in knowing what TRUTH it was that Paul was referring to. According to the context, it is this (Galatians 4:9-10 NIV): "Do you wish to be enslaved by them [Judaizing Christians, the SDA-like people of Paul's day] all over again? You are observing special days [weekly Seventh-day Sabbaths] and months and seasons [such as New Moon, Passover and Firstfruit Sabbaths] and years [such as the Sabbath year of Lev. 25:4]. THAT is what the the truth is, Ken! Face it! And now, "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:16 KJV. The peace of grace without works of the law -- such as a non-optional, binding seventh-day Sabbath -- to you, Jude | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Ken, I've been thinking all day ;-) That KJ Only stuff really rubbed a raw nerve on me as I'm sure you can now imagine. I didn't realize just how raw it was till I reflected on it considerably today. I've have made a few post's making the point that we need to meet people were they are at and I blasted at you and that was wrong. I'm really sorry. Now, sometime after I find the book I was talking about, I would like to share some parts of it with you. Or, if you prefer, I'd still like to send you one as I will get several for that purpose soon. Your friend.....Maryann | ||
| Plain Patti |
Jude, Don't be too hard on Ken! Many SDAs like to use only the Bible that Jesus used--the KJV! :) Patti P.S. Pity the poor Christians in non-English-speaking countries who can never use the KJV! | ||
| Ken Clark |
Hi Plain Patti: I don't believe the KJV of the Bible or any Bible for that matter was arround in Jesus's time. Ken | ||
| Plain Patti |
I know, Ken. It was a joke! :) But let me ask you this. Do you believe that the Germans, for example, are less enlightened than the English speaking Christians because their German Bible came through Martin Luther rather than through the committee that worked for King James, i.e. the Church of England? | ||
| Bruce H |
Patti I do not think Ken is interested in answering questions. Ken I have a Dog named Boris. | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Ken, Oh, but there WAS a Bible or Scriptures "around in Jesus's time." And, in fact, there were at least TWO versions! One was the Septuagint, a Greek version of the Jewish Scriptures redacted in the 3d and 2d centuries B.C. by Jewish scholars and adopted by Greek-speaking Christians. And the other was the Jewish Hebrew Scriptures themselves, the Old Testament, in a form almost precisely the same as it is today, letter for letter! No slouches they, those Jewish scribes! Also, the New Testament was being collected. The Gospel of Mark, for example, may have been complete as early as the 50s, only twenty years after Jesus' ascension and twenty years BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem. But do you care? Jude | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Bruce, You may be right about Ken not being genuinely interseted in answering questions that might lead him to the truth. But if the estimates I've heard from the webmaster are correct, "a few thousand" souls are hitting this website regularly. And it is these people -- including many among our friends the Adventists -- who may be led to the truth, regardless of what Ken does or doesn't do. And so, look! The sovereign Lord God is USING Ken against his will to bring souls to Christ, just as God used Nebuchadnezzar, and Pharoah, and many others who had no ears to hear nor eyes to see. And so, let's not become weary in well-doing, though I would hasten to add: I don't think you, of all people who post here, are guilty of that! Just praising God because of you, Bruce, Jude | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Bruce again, A thought this morning upon awakening: Cultified or mystified personalities CANNOT recognize truth when it is put in front of their faces. It's not that they're the "pigs" or "dogs" of Matthew 7:6, from whom we have an obligation to turn away. Nor is it that they WON'T recognize truth. It's that they CAN'T. 2 Corinthians 3:12-18 NIV: ^^^^^^^^^^^ Since we have such a hope ['of that which lasts' = new covenant], we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moes is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." ^^^^^^^^^^^ We should therefore not despair when we observe them ignoring the plain scriptural truth that we so clearly set in front of their faces. Nor should we ignore them, for they are God's children too. We should deal straight with them, forever going back to the source, the Scriptures, with them, picking out "treasures old and new." For when we do that, they will unconsciously recognize that they are wrong. This sense of "wrongness" they cannot recognize consciously for that would undermine their unconscious need always to be right. But consciously they do feel the pain of being "shown up." And so to avoid that continued pain they switch to a new subject, such as the KJV being the ultimate source Scriptures. When again they are proven wrong they will either switch to a new topic again to wage battle in defense of their need to be Always Right. Or they will abandon the field and go away, perhaps telling their similarly mystified friends of "how aweful" those foes of "Self Rightness" were. They will continue to shift and feint, dodge and bluff, abandon the field of discussion only to attack anew from a different flank, and retreat to the solace of their similarly cultified friends, until the Lord comes in the clouds. Indeed, "Their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away." The pity is that that removal may in many cases take place only when Christ destroys it by "the brightness of his appearing." But if we do not become discouraged because of their behavior, and hang in there, many other people may let the Holy Spirit remove their veils. What do you think? Jude | ||
| jtree |
IF this is the same Ken from the Adventist News Group, I want to say, welcome here. Perhaps you found your way here because of a "click" from one of my posting there on that news group. Well anyways, I want to say with a heart felt warm welcome here to this web site. In His Name Joshua | ||
| Ken Clark |
Hi: To say that the Ten Commandments was done away with is like saying you need no discipline, or rules. After all we are the children of God and there is a reason we are called children. We need discipline. Since there is no Biblical evidence that the Sabbath was moved to sunday, a day that pagens used for their worship of the "sun god" I personally will continue to follow my Lord & Savior. The following info is for your personal amusement... "Question - Which is the Sabbath day? Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." (The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, pg. 50, 3rd edition) What does God say about that? "In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men." (Mark 7:9) your Christian brother Ken Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt. 7:14 | ||
| BMorgan |
Ken, Did you read Jude's last post? Please do! If for one minute, you could allow the Lord to remove the veil from your face, you would get a glimpse of and even enjoy the beauty of the Scriptures in its fullness. Praise God you are here. Quick question to you: Are you here to drink milk or to count cows? Either which way, welcome: He that has ears let him hear. A special blessing to you that God would draw you to himself that you be santified with TRUTH. B | ||
| Ken Clark |
Hey B: What exactly is this truth you speak of...truth according Garp? Ken | ||
| Ken Clark |
Hey Jude: But weren't the ceremonial laws really abolished? Since you can't seem to divide The Ten Commandments seperate from the laws of ordinances what do ya think about the following text? "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances." Ephesians 2:15 Ken | ||
| Bruce H |
Jude This is one of my first studies I will put it on the net for you. I BRUCE HEINRICH HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS MY SAVIOR AND LORD, AND BELIEVE HIS PROMISE AND GIFT THAT CHRIST WILL REPRESENT ME AT JUDGMENT DAY WITH HIS PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS. GOD HAS THUS SHOWN ME THAT I AM SAVED AND I AM NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW THAT CONDEMNS. PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!! ROMANS 10:4 CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW SO THAT THERE MAY BE RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES. ROMANS 4: 14 FOR THOSE WHO LIVE BY LAW ARE HEIRS, FAITH HAS NO VALUE AND THE PROMISE IS WORTHLESS, BECAUSE LAW BRINGS WRATH. AND WHERE THERE IS NO LAW THERE IS NO TRANSGRESSION. ROMANS 5:13 FOR BEFORE THE LAW WAS GIVEN, SIN WAS IN THE WORLD. BUT SIN IS NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THERE IS NO LAW. ROMANS 3:9-22 WHAT SHALL WE CONCLUDE THEN? ARE WE ANY BETTER? NOT AT ALL! WE HAVE ALREADY MADE THE CHANGE THAT JEWS AND GENTILES ALIKE ARE ALL UNDER SIN. AS IT IS WRITTEN: (THERE IS NO ONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE, THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, NO ONE WHO SEEKS GOD. ALL HAVE TURNED AWAY, THEY HAVE TOGETHER BECOME WORTHLESS; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD NOT EVEN ONE). NOW WE KNOW THAT WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SAYS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW. SO THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE SILENCED AND THE WHOLE WORLD HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD. THEREFORE NO ONE WILL BE DECLARED RIGHTEOUS IN HIS SIGHT BY See the Ten Commandments are for those who want to be under it, so it is still in effect. OBSERVING THE LAW; RATHER, THROUGH THE LAW WE BECOME CONSCIOUS OF SIN. BUT NOW A RIGHTEOUSNESS FROM GOD APART FROM LAW, HAS BEEN MADE KNOWN, TO WHICH THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFY. THIS RIGHTEOUSNESS FROM GOD COMES THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST TO ALL WHO BELIEVE. GALATIANS 3:25 SO THE LAW WAS PUT IN CHARGE TO LEAD US TO CHRIST THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. NOW THAT FAITH HAS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW. GALATIANS 5: 16-18 SO I SAY, LIVE BY THE SPIRIT, AND YOU WILL NOT GRATIFY THE DESIRES OF THE SINFUL NATURE. FOR THE SINFUL NATURE DESIRES WHAT IS CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT, AND THE SPIRIT WHAT IS CONTRARY TO THE SINFUL NATURE. THEY ARE IN CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER, SO THAT YOU DO NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IF YOU ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW. EPHESIANS 2: 14,15 FOR HE HIMSELF IS OUR PEACE, WHO HAS MADE THE TWO ONE AND HAS DESTROYED THE BARRIER, THE DIVIDING WALL OF HOSTILITY, BY ABOLISHING IN HIS FLESH THE LAW WITH ITS COMMANDMENTS AND REGULATIONS. HIS PURPOSE WAS TO CREATE IN HIMSELF ONE NEW MAN OUT OF THE TWO. COLOSSIANS 1: 22 BUT NOW HE HAS RECONCILED YOU BY CHRIST1S PHYSICAL BODY THROUGH DEATH TO PRESENT YOU HOLY IN HIS SIGHT, WITHOUT BLEMISH AND FREE FROM ACCUSATION IF YOU CONTINUE IN YOUR FAITH, ESTABLISHED AND FIRM, NOT MOVED FROM THE HOPE HELD OUT IN THE GOSPEL. ROMANS 7:6 BUT NOW, BY DYING TO WHAT ONCE BOUND US, WE HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM THE LAW SO THAT WE SERVE IN THE NEW WAY OF THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLD WAY OF THE WRITTEN CODE. ROMANS 14: 1-6 ACCEPT HIM WHOSE FAITH IS WEAK, WITHOUT PASSING JUDGMENT ON DISPUTABLE MATTERS. ONE MAN1S FAITH ALLOWS HIM TO EAT EVERYTHING, BUT ANOTHER MAN, WHOSE FAITH IS WEAK, EATS ONLY VEGETABLES. THE MAN WHO EATS EVERYTHING MUST NOT LOOK DOWN ON HIM WHO DOES NOT, AND THE MAN WHO DOES NOT EAT EVERYTHING MUST NOT CONDEMN THE MAN WHO DOES FOR GOD HAS ACCEPTED HIM. WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE SOMEONE ELSE1S SERVANT? TO HIS OWN MASTER HE STANDS OR FALLS. AND HE WILL STAND FOR THE LORD IS ABLE TO MAKE HIM STAND. ONE MAN CONSIDERS ONE DAY MORE SACRED THAN ANOTHER; ANOTHER MAN CONSIDERS EVERY DAY ALIKE. EACH ONE SHOULD BE FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND. HE WHO REGARDS ONE DAY AS SPECIAL, DOES SO TO THE LORD. HE WHO EATS MEAT, EATS TO THE LORD, FOR HE GIVES THANKS TO GOD. ROMANS 14: 13 THEREFORE LET US STOP PASSING JUDGMENT ON ONE ANOTHER. INSTEAD, MAKE UP YOUR MIND NOT TO PUT ANY STUMBLING BLOCK OR OBSTACLE IN YOUR BROTHER1S WAY. AS ONE WHO IS IN THE LORD JESUS, I AM FULLY CONVINCED THAT NO FOOD IS UNCLEAN IN ITSELF. BUT IF ANY-ONE REGARDS SOMETHING AS UNCLEAN, THEN FOR HIM IT IS UNCLEAN. IF YOUR BROTHER IS DISTRESSED BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU EAT, YOU ARE NO LONGER ACTING IN LOVE. DO NOT BY YOUR EATING DESTROY YOUR BROTHER FOR WHOM CHRIST DIED. 20- DO NOT DESTROY THE WORK OF GOD FOR THE SAKE OF FOOD. ALL FOOD IS CLEAN, BUT IT IS WRONG FOR A MAN TO EAT ANYTHING THAT CAUSES SOMEONE TO STUMBLE. IT IS BETTER NOT TO EAT MEAT OR DRINK WINE OR TO DO ANYTHING ELSE THAT WILL CAUSE YOUR BROTHER TO FALL. Bruce Heinrich Now What does the Law mean. Is God trying to trick us by saying no only some parts of the Law are done away with. or is it the teachers of the Law who are trying to trick us. You be the judge. B | ||
| Steve |
Ken, Read CLOSELY what you yourself posted. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances." Ephesians 2:15 If I read that text correctly, doesn't it say, "commandments CONTAINED IN ordinances." ??? Of course we can't separate the two. It is clear in Eph. 2:15 that the commandments are contained IN the ordinances. You're the one separating the two, not the Holy Word of God. This is why we Formers, Ex's, and Almost Formers have found that the Law has been re-seated in Jesus Christ Himself. We don't say there is no law, we look to Christ, Who has become our Law. (And please respond on this discussion board for everyone to see. I don't mind getting personal mail responses to things posted here, but let's keep this discussion where it belongs. If you're aware of things that have happened to people because of tracking them down from internet connections, it's really scary. Also, if you have ANY connections whatsoever with Shepherd's Rod or the Branch Davidians, I, for one, DON'T want to be one of the Ezekiel 9 victims of the Rod.) Steve | ||
| jtree |
I don't want to say "your wrong" Ken, BUT... As many Sabbatarians point out to people, that the Decalog, the 10 Commandments, as God's eternal law, superior to all else, that which governs angels in heaven, governed Adam in Eden, and will govern the teeming millions of redeemed ones to all eternity. THESE EXTRAVAGANT claims are Sabbatarian main pillars underneath this whole doctrine and argument which you use for observing the seventh day. If you are wrong here, your whole doctrine fails, to the ground. AND FALL IT MUST UNDER THE HAMMER OF TRUTH. I am "dead to the law" and now married to Christ. He is the "Second Husband". I'm speaking from Romans 7:1-4,6 My Sabbatarian friend, why would you want to commit Spiritual adultry? Being married to "the law" and wanting to be married to Christ, at the same time? Go ahead and be married to "the law", I will be a non-Sabbatarian Christian knowing that I will be alive forevermore. In the Decalog that you claim we should observe. The very wording of this Decalog proves that it was given to Israel as a nation alone. On the Tables were written all the words God spoke in the mount Deut 9:10. These words you will rfind written out in full in Deut 5:6-22. Now lay down the book and carefully read verses 6 to 22 inclusive, and you will have exactly what was on the tables THE DECALOG. To whom does it apply? To whome it was given is told by the very first words of thse verses. "I am the Lord they God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of BONDAGE. Thou shalt nave none otehr gods before Me"....." Exodus 20:2,3; Deut 6:6,7. This was on the tables, written with God's own finger, and placed in the ark. When Adventist lecturers hang up their charts, it will be noticed that they have left out this part, and begun with "Thou shalt have no other gods." Why do they do this? The reason is apparent. To put the whole Decalog on their chart would betray the falsity of their claims. Was Egypt the abode of Adam? How many of the millions of Christians which constitute the new testament church were under King Pharaoh in Egyptian bondage? Not one. It cannot possibly apply to any but the Israelitish nation. Look at the Sabbath commandment as written on the stone tables. "Keep the Sabbath Day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy man servant, nor thy maid servant, nor shine ox, nor shine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy man servant and thy maid servant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou west a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the Sabbath Day" (Deut. 5:12-15). Can this apply to all people in all ages? Can it apply to angels? Will it apply to the redeemed in heaven forever? Reason and common sense answer, "No." Angelsóservants in the land of Egypt! "Thine ox, nor shine ass, nor any of thy cattle." Do the angels in heaven own oxen, work asses, and feed cattle? Will this be true of the redeemed millions around the throne in eternity? "Thy man servant, nor thy maid servant, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates." Would this apply to Adam in Eden? Did he have servants. and let strangers in his gates back there? The language shows that Israel is referred to. It cannot possibly apply elsewhere. "Thy stranger in thy gates" refers to the Gentiles that entered the gates of their cities. I hear Adventist and Sabbatarians continually crying, "God's law [meaning the Sinaitic code] is unchangeable." But Paul contradicts them, boldly stating "that there is made of necessity a change also of the law" (Heb 7:12). "The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" DO YOU BELIEVE? (John 1:17). "He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second" (Heb. 10:9). DO YOU BELIEVE? Two laws could not stand in the same dispensation. Therefore to establish the Gospel grace and truth, which came by Christ, the law was "taken away." The manner in which it was taken away is thus explained in Christ's own words: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt. 5:17, 18). This text clearly states that when the law reaches its fulfillment it will pass away. It will not pass till fulfilled. So it is not eternal, but when fulfilled it was to reach an end. Then, the Lord points to himself as the fulfillment of the law and prophetsó"For Christ Is the end of the law" (Rom. 10:4). DO YOU BELIEVE? "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (Gal. 3:24). Since Christ is come "we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (vs. 25) "not under the law, but under grace" (Rom. 6:14). DO YOU BELIEVE? This nails the matter fast, and utterly refutes your plea for the perpetuity of the law. In His Name, Joshua | ||
| jtree |
Ken. The following quotation is from The Sabbath. After quoting Mrs. White. who says in her book Great Controversy that the observance of days was changed by Constantine and the bishop of Rome, the writer, D. S. Warner, says: "Look at the impudence of this prophetess! The apostle John called the resurrection day 'the Lord's day' in A. D. 96. She says that title was conferred upon it by the bishop of Rome in the fourth century. She speaks of the 'false' and the 'true,' calling the first day of the week the false and the seventh day the true. But eighteen hundred years before she was born, Justin Martyr wrote under the same head, and denounced the Jewish Sabbath as the false, and declared the first day the true Lord's day. He wrote in the virgin purity of Christianity; she writes under the thick fogs of Babel confusion. He wrote as the Apostle did who pronounced the curse of God upon the false teachers who troubled the Galatian church, 'subverting the gospel of Christ' by enjoining the law and its 'days.' She writes largely the doctrine of the Ebionites, one of the first and most abominable heresies. "She says that in the first centuries the seventh day had been kept by all Christians. And her own word is the only proof she offers. But we have seen that both the Word of God and the early church Fathers teach us that only persons who were weak and ignorant of the liberties of the sons of God thought it necessary to observe the law respecting meats and the Sabbaths. And Justin told Trypho that the Sabbath of the law belonged only to the Jews, and that it was not proper for Christians to observe it; and by others we are positively told that Saturday was a common work day in the primitive church of God. This Prophetess leaves the impression that Constantine, as a heathen, enjoined the observance of Sunday as a public festival, and after his professed conversion still adhered to it, thus making him the author of that day of worship. So Adventism teaches. But all readers of the New Testament and of early history know better. For two hundred years before Constantine's day, in fact from the resurrection of Christ, the first day was kept by the church of God, as a memorial day, a weekly day of worship. Constantine had nothing to do with the establishment of the Lord's Day in the church. In His Name, Joshua | ||
| BMorgan |
Ken, It is not "what is that truth" It is "WHO" is truth? I speak of Jesus--The Way, TRUTH, and Life. I want think that your intent is for evil-(wanting to draw others into fruitless agrument-so typical of sdas) however, God is using it for good, your good. It gives me a chance to heal from the delusions of adventists teachings, for my mind is strengthened as I see God's words without those glasses I have worn for many years. Most important I am learning from you the mindset of our friends the adventists, and the patience I need to minister and relate to them. You don't have to agree with what Jude, Steve, or Bruce say, but I encourage you to just allow yourself to be challenged and look again at the scriptures, let the Bible speak for itself and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you -truth. Beyond that, do you wish to experience true joy, peace and righteousness? It is beyond anything you can imagine. If you think you have an abundance of "truth" and well armed to defend it, that's okay too, but be aware, what is being offered here is: "Let's REASON together." When throw out a topic, let's discuss and be willing to look again. Dont' be afraid of your being deceived or straying from the truth. Are you afraid that you will be lost if you believe the wrong thing? Or do you think that your salvation is based on the truth according to adventist teaching? I am sincerely asking for I have had those thoughts, and was afraid to hear anything else. Recently, I was reading Galatians with my children and was amazed at what it was saying. I even thought I was reading something other than the Bible. Yes, I even used your beloved KJV for I thought the NIV was "misleading" me. Not being under law, is not the same as being without law. Is that what's confusing you? We have it BETTER, God has written it on our hearts. Would it not be insulting if after you have attained your PhD, your elementary school teacher still sees and teaches you she would one of her first graders? Think about the Ten Commandments as such. Yes, it was nailed to the cross. Yes Ken, I have a LOT to unlearn, but the joy of Knowing Jesus-the TRUTH- is worth my feelings of lowliness. I used to feel so superior that I know the truth of the Bible. It is humbling to realize how little I really know. I am starting off fresh like a babe having to be fed milk. But, it is worth it. So again, Come here and drink milk, and you can count the cows later. May the grace of the Lord and Savior, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you. B |
