| Author | Message | ||
| jtree |
Yes, I spoke of Ellen G. White, we do that often here. Why limit your worship to one day or another. Why not worship Him 7 days by 24 hours? As He is there for you and I, 7 days, by 24 hours? Even Hebrews, says TODAY. that is everyday. When you wake up tomorrow, say TODAY. Today I will Worship Him in TRUTH AND IN SPIRIT? Gosh I need one of those Detectors that detects sand in shoes. Where do you buy them? :-) Have you heard of the Interchangebility of terms: Neh 8:1-18 The entire Old Testament including the book of the law is referred to as the law of God: 1.Genesis is "The Law": Gal 4:21 2.Exodus is The Law": Rom 7:7 3.Leviticus "The Law": Mt 22:35ff 4.Numbers is "The Law" Mt 12:5 5.Deuteronomy is "The Law": Mt 22:35f 6.Psalms is "The Law": Jn 10:34,45; Rom:10-12; 3:13-14,19 7.The Prophets is "The Law": 1 Cor 14:21 | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Ken: "I guess I'm greedy and will follow both Jesus & God's Law." Paul: ìWhat then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works [Sabbath-keeping], he had something to boast about ñ but not before God. What does the Scripture say? ëAbraham BELIEVED God, and it [belief, not Sabbath-keeping] was credited to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS.í Paul continues: ìNow when a man works [keeps the Sabbath], his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work [keep the Sabbath] but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.î Romans 4:1-6 NIV. | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Ken, Just take a minute to listen, really LISTEN to the words of John Newtons song that everyone of us cut our teeth on: Amazing grace how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me! I once was lost, but now I'm found, WAS BLIND, BUT NOW I SEE. 'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, And grace my fears relieved; How precious did that grace appear, THE HOUR I FIRST BELIEVED! How many SDAs fully understood that song? I didn't till last year! That is true BLINDNESS! What saved you? the law or GRACE? When was that Grace precious to you? The hour you first believed! Are you so filled with fear that you are afraid to take that first step of FAITH and BELIEVE? Give it up, man! Sheese! God, I don't believe is the Father of fear, the dEVIL is. There isn't one person here that doesn't understand fear, man, we understand! Come on Ken, take them "white colored" glasses off. As Jude says, Grace to you........Maryann | ||
| Steve |
Jtree made an excellent point. The point was made to me by a wonderful gentleman named Sydney Cleveland in a recent e-mail. He pointed out that the SDA church fails to point out that the Temple was open 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. When we start restricting God's availability to one day, or think that He is more available on that one day, then we are guilty of putting God in a box. Let's not put God in a box. Also, Cleveland pointed out to me that the Feast of Pentecost was celebrated on Sunday. SUNDAY! That's something we SDAs have been very quiet about. What about that Ken? What about worshipping God on the Day of Pentecost, on a Sunday. Or maybe that would be making God guilty of making a Sunday Law. Uh, oh. Can't let that happen. Don't want God to be guilty of that, do we? Well, if you're convinced of keeping a day, perhaps you're just agreeing with Paul in Romans 14:5 "One person regards on day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind." Perhaps our real problem here, Ken, is that some insist on making their conviction a conviction for someone else, rather than keeping it to themselves. That's part of the guilt of the SDA church. It makes it's conviction about the Sabbath a conviction for all Christians. That's going against scripture, particularly Romans 14:5. God Bless you on the keeping of YOUR day, Steve | ||
| Steve |
Ken, (Yes, we're a bit prolific tonight) In an earlier post you state that the Law is permanant because it's God's Law, written with His finger. Therefore it can't be temporary. OK. Let's take that a step farther. This earth was created by God Himself, by Jesus Christ, the Word. Therefore it will stand forever. Right? I guess in that case that we can throw out Peter. After all, Peter said that the Earth will pass away with fire and great heat, and that the elements will melt. But he must be wrong, because it was created by God Himself. The earthly sanctuary service was instituted by a command from God, therefore it must stand forever (or at least until heaven and earth pass away). So Paul, Jesus, Stephen, et. al. must have been wrong. After all, the sanctuary service was instituted by God Himself. So it couldn't have been done away with. Right? Do I understand you yet? Steve | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Hi Ken, Ken: ìSo youíre saying that my Lord is an imperfect and changing God?î Jude: No, Iím not saying that your Lord is an imperfect and changing God. Iím saying that the Law of God written in the Torah or first five books of Moses is an imperfect Law. My statement is based on Scripture: Hebrews 1:1-3 NIV: ìIn the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets AT MANY TIMES AND IN VARIOUS WAYS [this is the imperfect statement of the Law of God], but in these last days [notice that the ìlast daysî began before the time Hebrews was written, not in 1844] he has spoken to us by his Son [this is the complete, final, and perfect statement of the Law of God], whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of Godís glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION [this is also the perfect statement of the Law of God] of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. AFTER HE HAD PROVIDED PURIFICATION FOR SINS, HE SAT DOWN [past tense, not ìwill sit down in 1844î] AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY IN HEAVEN.î And so, based on Scripture and Scripture alone, I will restate my point: ìThe Law of Moses is the IMPERFECT and TEMPORARY statement of the Law of God written (in part0 with the finger of Christ on the summit of the Mount of Sinai. For indeed the Lord does not change, youíre right, Ken. But his statements of law DO CHANGE. Otherwise there would be no new, better, covenant to replace the old, inferior covenant written by "our forefathers." Thanks for hanging in with us, Ken. Youíve got guts, Iíve got to hand that to you. Your brother, Jude | ||
| Maryann |
Thumbs up, guys you are amazing. | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Still hanging in, Ken, You posted: ìAnd the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. Deut. 9:10 So the ten commandments are the law of Moses? Did Moses just use God's finger to write them or what? Was God Moses's secretary? Am I missing something? Moses's law or God's law?î Ken: ìSo the ten commandments are the law of Moses?" Jude: The Ten Commandments are only a small PART of the Law of Moses, which encompases all of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Ken: ìDid Moses just use God's finger to write them or what?î Jude: No. Nobody uses God in any way. We THINK we use God, as when SDAs try to hold the Second Coming of Christ hostage by NOT spreading the gospel to the ends of the earth. [They're spreading what you're spreading, Ken. And it's NOT the pure gospel.] But God is NEVER mocked or used in any way. God is ALWAYS sovereign. Jesus (riding on a colt into Jerusalem with the crowds hailing him king) said said in response to the Jews who were asking him to silence the crowds, ìIf they were quiet the VERY STONES WOULD CRY OUT." And so, you see, God cannot be stimied or blocked or frustrated by the refusal of SDAs to spread the gospel. Godís timetable is in fact, and has always been, out of SDA reach. The same was true of Moses: He could not use Godís finger at all, and certainly not to write on tables of stone. Ken: ìWas God Moses's secretary?î Jude: ìWas God Ellen G. Whiteís gopher?î Ken: ìAm I missing something?î Jude: ìInfinitely more than you can ever possibly imagine.î Ken: ìMoses's law or God's law?î Jude: As I have said before, Mosesí law WAS Godís law, just an inferior, temporary, imperfect statement of it. Ken, as Maryann has so rightly said, you need to read your New Testament without wearing White glasses. Giving Christ a chance, Jude | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Ken, one last post tonight, You wrote, ìWhen did I say anything about E.G. White? I detect some sand in your shoe. ...I will admit she does make for some great reading though...You know "the lesser light pointing to the greater light". Her teachings on health seem to be right on too!î To which I would reply, Whether or not EGW makes for ìgreat reading,î I would fear to assert. For I asked Fred Veltman, who did a thorough study of her plagiarized ìDesire of Ages,î if the ìbest partsî of GC were copied and the more inferior parts were her own words. And he said, Without question, absolutely so! As to, "the lesser light pointing to the greater light," that would be wonderful if it were only true. This ìlesser lightî has pointed AWAY from the greater light more often than toward it. And as far as her teaching on health seeming to be ìright on,î Iím afraid she gets very bad marks here. Among the very few things sheís said that have stood up under scientific research are, Eat lots of fruits and vegetables and exercise. But this was well known to science at the time she made her statements, and so she can hardly be credited with new light from God here. Her statements about tea and coffee being unhealthful have been debunked by science. She said wearing wigs makes one go insane. The list of her errors on health are endless. If you want more detail, much of that has been posted here at FAF already. If you want more, hang in and Iíll supply your every wish and desire in this area. Hereís to your health, Jude | ||
| Jude the Obscure |
Oops, I meant to say, "if the ìbest partsî of DA were copied...." Don't want to mislead anybody. It's a quarter to 12:00 where I am. I'm tossing in the sponge. Night all, Jude | ||
| jtree |
Hi Ken. To you: 1.what is the Old Covenant? 2.What is the sign of the Old Covenant? 3.What is the promise of the old covenant? 4.What is the condition of the old covenant? Can you answer this for us? Joshua | ||
| Steve |
Nice thought Jude, about the lesser light and the greater light. I brought this point up in a Sabbath school class in recent months. I used a parable. I said, If EGW was a lesser light to point to a greater light it's the same as a city engineer using lesser lights at night until the greater light of the day comes. And what does a Good City Engineer do once the daylight has come? S/He TURNS OFF the lesser lights. Those lesser lights have no effect once the sun is shining. Let's turn off the lesser light (if it's even a light at all) and allow the Greater Light, Jesus Christ, to shine. Basking in His Light, Steve | ||
| Steve |
BTW, about that parable I used in the SS class. I was told that it was "a bad analogy." Hmmmm, why is it bad? Because it's true?! I'm sure the Pharisees didn't like Jesus' parables, so I'm probably in good company. | ||
| Ann L. |
Good day Ken and all, I havenít logged on for a few days now, and I know I have A LOT of catching up to do! A scripture quote from one of Kenís posts (Matt. 5:17-19) jumped out at me, and I just have to give my input. My PERSONAL EXPERIENCE: As a very young Christian, the SDA church influenced me to the point of confusion! Under their influence, I understood Matt. 5:17-19 to mean ìuntil the world ends, not one jot or tittle will be erased from the Ten Commandments, and if anyone teaches anyone to break any of the Ten Commandments, he surely ainít going to heaven.î Since this interpretation conflicted with most of the other New Testament scripture that I read, I was utterly confused. I earnestly sought the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and He ìguided me into The Truth.î You see Ken, I discovered that SDAís have a tendency to isolate scriptures, taking one verse from here and two from there, and composing them to say what the WORD OF GOD DOES NOT SAY! Reading through the WHOLE book of Matthew, I came to the conclusion, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, that you CAN NEVER accept ANYONEíS interpretation of one or two verses without reading the WHOLE chapter at least FOR YOURSELF (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit) to comprehend the context of the scripture. You also cannot take a PRESUPPOSITION as A FACT and consider it to be ULTIMATE TRUTH. "Think not that I am come to destroy the LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFIL. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.î FACT: ìJesus said that he did not come to DESTROY the LAW, OR THE PROPHETS but to FULFIL them. Jesus DID NOT SAY that he did not come to destroy the law, meaning exclusively Ten Commandments.î I understand that the New Testament is an ìinterpretationî of the Old Testament (The Law and The Prophets). Certain old covenant practices were mere ìshadowsî pointing toward the ìrealityî Jesus Christ. I understand as well that some Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in the New Testament, while others will not be fulfilled until the end of the world. If Jesus did not come to ìdestroyî the law, weíd still be killing lambs. The New Testament specifically tells us the purpose of the law. If as a Christian, I look to the Old Testament to teach me how to live, I would have circumcised my son (I did btw, but not as a religious requirement) I would sacrifice animals to God (rituals that existed before the law was given at Sinai) and other things. When I read the New Testament, I understand the significance of these Old Testament rituals, and know that they are not required of me as a Christian. In fact, when I, as well as other Gentile converts ìdo BY NATURE things required by the law, this is a law in itself (thatís Romans ch?)î It is NATURAL for me to know that killing and stealing are wrong, but it is UNNATURAL for me to know how to keep the sabbath unless I have read the Old Testament, or been taught in the New Testament to do so (in either case it is still unnatural unless Iím a Jew). I DO NOT HAVE TO REFER TO THE OLD TESTAMENT TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE AS A CHRISTIAN. I understand that the sabbath (the seventh day and all the others) were only a shadow pointing to Christ. FACT (whether or not some believe it, it remains a fact): Colossians 2:16 says that the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was a ìshadowî but the ìrealityî is Christ. This coincides with ìtill all be fulfilled.î The sabbath was fulfilled in Christ. ìWhosoever therefore shall break one of THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.î PRESUPPOSITION: ìTHESE least commandments means the Ten Commandments. Wherever the word ìcommandmentsî is used in the bible, it automatically means the Ten Commandments. (BTW, do you believe that if I break the 4th commandment and teach others to do the same, I will still go to the kingdom of heaven, but be ëcalled the leastí??)î FACT: ìJesus goes on to tell us what THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS are!î Verse 21 onwards: ìYE HAVE HEARD that it was SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, Thou shall not killÖBUT I SAY UNTO YOU, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgementÖî Read it for yourself. Ken, unlike some people, I cannot quote the Ten Commandments, or most other passages of scripture for that matter. If I had to remember word for word, as simple as it may seem for some, the Ten Commandments, or any other scripture for that matter, (let alone where they are taken from) Iíd be lost! One thing for sure though, I do not have to look to ìthe letter of the law,î (Corinthians something) because I have the law written in my heart. That does not mean that I will not sin, but when I do sin (1 or 2 John something) the Holy Spirit convicts me of my sins, I confess them and He forgives me. I do not have to look to ìthe letter engraved in stoneî (the ìministry of deathî) to know when I have sinned, as the matter of FACT there are many sins that are outside the scope of ìthe letter.î Jesus himself made that clear (read Matthew 5 and onwards). Is being angry with your brother breaking the 10? No! Although the Holy Spirit convicts me of my sin, I still have to read the bible to learn what Jesus commands. Having said that, since Jesus says ìWhosoever therefore shall break one of THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven,î through the help of the Holy Spirit, I am doing just as HE COMMANDED! Incidentally, if sabbath-keeping was so important to my salvation, I wonder why Jesus did not mention it in His sermon??? I am sure that it is quite obvious by now that Ken did not come to this web-site ìseeking truth.î Ken like most SDAís have already made up their mind what ìTruthî is, and believe that it is THEIR duty to ìguide others into all truthî (kinda like a Holy Ghost Jr.!) ìtruthî aka ìthe SDA mentalityî. But of course, that is just MY OPINION, NOT THE ULTIMATE TRUTH! So Iíll give Ken the benefit of the doubt. Ken, whatever your motive, for the most part, people like you only help to strengthen us in the truth of Godís Word. Youíre kinda like ìa lesser light pointing toward the greater lightî (for lack of a better quote). You only prompt us to ìsearch our bibles to prove if these things are so.î Thatís found in Acts chapter something. Yíall donít laugh at me. I may not be able to quote it, but I do retain it! :) What you donít understand Ken, is that we all once used to think and interpret scripture like you, which was a result of SDA teaching. We have now "come into the light" not based on the teachings of "another denomination" but I'm sure that the Holy Spirit prompted most of us to believe that there was something "wrong" about what we had learned. It's kinda like (you said you have a ?year old daughter right) if your daughter tries to pull the same childish tricks that you pulled on your parents when you were a kid, you see right through ëem!!! Ken, listen to the FACTS, and go easy on the PRESUPPOSITIONS! If the FACTS somehow contradict the PRESUPPOSITIONS, then it may be that somewhere along the line something that you learned could possibly be incorrect. After all, a FACT remains a FACT whether or not we want to believe it. A penguin is a bird, and a tomato is a fruit although we may think differenly. I eagerly await your rebuttal. Please donít disappoint me! Praying that God will remove the veil from your eyes (and othersí) Ann BTW, I am using the KJV. If you need me to verify any of my ìquotesî give me a while to whip out my bible software collection on CD, so that I can do a search to find ëem easier. ;) | ||
| Steve |
Ann, YES! Excellent stuff. Steve | ||
| Ann L. |
Thanks Steve, Gotta go play catch up now. Ann | ||
| jtree |
Ken, I have a BIG question. I hope you take some time to answer this one. If the Adventist Church is not infallible, can you tell us what are the errors? | ||
| Ken Clark |
Hi Ann: Ann L. wrote: I understand that the sabbath (the seventh day and all the others) were only a shadow pointing to Christ. FACT (whether or not some believe it, it remains a fact): Colossians 2:16 says that the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was a shadow but the reality is Christ. This coincides with till all be fulfilled. The sabbath was fulfilled in Christ. Ann could you read the 23rd Chapter of Leviticus. Then come back and tell me that the Sabbath day, is the same as the "shadowy sabbaths" referred to in Colossians. You may want to read Ephesians Chapter 2 to give you a deeper insight to the whole mix. Take special note of what's being said in verse 15. Ken | ||
| Bruce H |
Ken you seem to be the expert on Law or should I say Teacher of the Law. Here are some questions The Bible clearly states that we are to get ride of the Old Covenant, that is the Ceremonial Law remember Christ is the end of ceremonial Law. Well different Christians from different Churches say that certain Laws are ceremonial when every body can plainly see that they are moral. We must obey the moral and get ride of the ceremonial. Well You might say well that is unfair it is obvious which commandments are ceremonial and which ones are moral, and idiot can tell the difference. besides we have a prophet who lets us know. Well let me give you a list of the commandments in the Book of the Law or the Law of Moses and you tell me which ones are fulfilled. COMMANDMENT #2 - (Gen 17:10) circumcision everlasting Covenant. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes. that was fulfilled because Paul said so, I do not understand about the everlasting Covenant though .COMMANDMENT #10 - (Exo 12:18) The obligation to keep the passover, forever. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes if your an SDA, to burdomson, and the forever part was a mistake prophets do that you know. No. if you are a messianic Jew. COMMANDMENT #24 -(Exo 16:29) Let every man remain where he is on the Sabbath. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes. it was because Jesus broke this one, and we SDA1s don't want to keep it. No. If you are a Messianic Jew. All law pertaining to the Moral Sabbath Law are also moral and must be followed because God Himself Commanded it. COMMANDMENT #26 -(Exo 20:3) You shall have no other gods besides Me. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ No. not fulfilled because it is one of the Ten Commandments COMMANDMENT #27-38 -(Exo 20:4-14) The rest of the Ten Commandments in the Book of the Law Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ No, same as above not fulfilled because they are the Big Ten. Some Christians would say that the Seventh day Sabbath was ceremonial and thus fulfilled. But Adventist would say no this is a Moral Law and not fulfilled. COMMANDMENT #47 -(Exo 21:12) The obligation to execute a murderer. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ COMMANDMENT #48 -(Exo 21:15) prohibition against hitting one's parents. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ No. Not fulfilled you cannot hit your parents. COMMANDMENT #62 -(Exo 22:17) The prohibitions of whichcraft. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ COMMANDMENT #65 -(Exo 22:21) The prohibition against oppressing a widow. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ COMMANDMENT #84 -(Exo 22:21) The commandment to let the land lie fallow ever seventh year. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes. Not even the Jews want to keep this one. COMMANDMENT #92 -(Exo 23:19) The prohibition against cooking animal meat with milk. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes. Because we cant even eat meat so it must be fulfilled. COMMANDMENT #114 -(Exo 35:13) The prohibition against making fire on the Sabbath. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes. If your an SDA this was fulfilled, who want's to do this Besides Ellen White made fires. No. if your a Messianic Jew because if the Sabbath is a moral commandment then all law pertaining to it are also you must keep it. They must be more Holy then SDA's. COMMANDMENT #154 -(Lev 11:4-7) What animals are clean and you can eat. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes. If you are an Adventist that is a vegetarian (Going to Heaven), because you cannot eat meat. No. If you are an Adventist that eats beef but not Pork, If you eat pork you are not going to Heaven. COMMANDMENT #188-(Lev 18:6) The prohibition of incest. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ This is an easy one, but I thought all Leviticals Laws were ceremonial. COMMANDMENT #207-(Lev 18:19) The prohibition against having sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual period. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Well there are some that hope this was fulfilled. COMMANDMENT #243-(Lev 19:18) Love your neighbor as yourself. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ Yes. It was fulfilled, because we do not want to hang around with all those Sunday keeping mark of the Beast whore1s. COMMANDMENT #249-250 -(Lev 19:26) The prohibition against practicing divination or soothsaying. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ COMMANDMENT #251-252 -(Lev 19:27) The prohibition against shaving the hair from his temples and from the corners of his beard. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ We don't have to worry about this one even though it could not be a ceremonial one, because the Law was given to Israel and Israel alone. COMMANDMENT #418 -(Deut 6:5) The commandment to Love God. Fulfilled YES_____ NO______ No. No. No. And Adventist are the only ones who Love God because they are the only ones who keep the 4th. How did you do. Are you confused. are you asking, what is the point. Well Here is the answer. The Sinai Covenant is one group of Law's it is called the Old Covenant and you cannot add to or take away from these Law's that is what Commandment #454 and #455 say (Deut 12:32), Deut 12:32 Whatever I command you. be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it. Unless you feel that God has given you some special insights to be abel to pick which ones and get ride of the others. This is why Paul in Gal 5:3 say's every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole Law, James says it well also in James 2:10 for whoever shall keep the whole law and yet stumble in one point he is guilty of all. Now does this make you nervous, you mean I have to keep the whole Law. Yes. Well you might say but I cant, well that's the point. The Law is supposed to condemn us not save us. If religions say here are the Laws that you must keep and it takes away the fear of the Law because they get ride of the Laws that they do not want to keep and keep the ones that separate themselves from others so they can look good or feel justified, could this prevent people from turning to Christ because they are fooled in thinking that they are OK because they are the one who obey it, but Paul says that even those who say they obey the Law dont. But when you see that you have to keep all then you have to turn to Christ which is what the Law is supposed to do. So let us uphold the Law for its purpose and that is to push you to your savior Jesus Christ. So Ken if you are a great teacher of the Law could you fill out which ones we keep and which ones we dont. I need your help. Bruce Heinri | ||
| Ken Clark |
Hi Bruce: Great use of internet space. ; ) Ten Commandments Law of God still in effect! Ceremonial Moses's laws nailed to the cross. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 2John 1:6 We have had laws since Adam & Eve. It's your choice if you love God you automatically will try to please & obey Him. Ken |
