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Jude the Obscure
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Be ye not unequally yoked together in marriage with a person of a different skin color."
Maryann
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

By Jude the Obscure on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 08:23 pm:

17. "Be ye not unequally yoked together in marriage with a person of a different skin color."

Sorry to add that no. 17. I just didn't want it taken wrong!! :-)
Maryann
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 9:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Question,

Thanks for answering! Got one more, should I call it a "question"? I picture you as a "boy", not a "girl". Am I right? I got fooled once already! ;-)

Maryann
Question
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On the net, is there a gender?
Jude the Obscure
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Q, are you related to the Q of Star Trek fame? His manifestation was unquestionably male. But his essence was ...?...
Maryann
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Q,

Hmmmmmmmm, "On the net, is there a gender?"

Well, sure there is, we are not in heaven yet!

If it is that important to you to be "net genderless", I guess I'll have to accept it.

I like to picture a person, that way I talk to them accordingly.

So, if you don't weaken, and still don't want to spill on the net, you can spill e-mail if you want.

I truly hope that you accept the above attempt at humor in the spirit that it is sent in.

Still smiling.....Maryann

P.S. I wont be around much for a while to pester you.
Bette
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2000 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Gang:
I am following the exchange of "commandments" fact or fiction and I think Question posted #17 when Q commented on the GC in session being the highest authority on earth, then Jude would be #18 with unequally yoked with skin color.
I'd like to add #19 which is that the Church Hymnal is the proper music for SDA churches. One should hold the hymnal and look down at the words rather than raise their heads high and read the words off a large screen in the front of the church. It is not okay to raise your hands in supplication when singing to God, our Father, although many of us reach out to our earthly parents when we plead for their help.

Thanks for just sharing. It helps me face each day!
Jude the Obscure
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2000 - 1:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bette,

Absolutely LOVED your post!

You commented, "It is not okay to raise your hands in supplication when singing to God, our Father." In response you may remind all your SDA friends who refuse to raise their hands to God that they are in violation of Scripture:

"Do not fear, O Zion; do not let your hands hang limp. The Lord your God is with you." Zephaniah 3:16,17 NIV.
Steve
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2000 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

# Next: The Seventh-day Adventist church is an angel (the third angel, to be precise.)

# Next: The Seventh-day Adventist church is the final coming of the Prophet Elijah.
Plain Patti
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2000 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is one, perhaps a little silly, but nonetheless and SDA myth regarding biblical facts.

The First Angel's (of the infamous First Angel's Message) is not the "first" angel. Therefore, the Second and Third Angels are not the "second" and "third" either.

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven...."

These might be, in reality, the eighth, ninth, and tenth angels. Why do SDAs give all glory to these three and practically ignore the other seven earlier in Revelation?
Steve
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2000 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good one Patti,

That shows how we paid attention to only a part of the message and disregarded all of God's message for us.
Plain Patti
Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2000 - 11:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is one that is almost humorous.
Have you ever wondered why SDAs refer to themselves as the "Laodicean church" of Revelation? Of course, I could easily agree, but for them to claim it for themselves is self-defeating, IMO. The Laodicean church is a LOST church. They do not know Jesus, and they make God sick at His stomach. And they actually think that this is the "true remnant church that will vindicate the character of God." Amazing.

BTW, where in Scripture does it say anything about these 7 churches being representative of different epochs? Wasn't it quite possible that John was writing to seven real churches?
Jude the obscure
Posted on Monday, June 05, 2000 - 12:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Indeed, YES, Patti. These churches were all in what is now Turkey. Note that the gospel had already gone there. Now you find very few Christians in Turkey. Islam took over a long time ago, and more recently a kind of hybred "modernism."
Ray Pitts
Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2000 - 1:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you want to see plenty of SDA "facts" that cannot be found in Scripture? May I suggest that you get 2 of EGW's books, A Solemn Appeal and An Appeal to Mothers. These books have been out of print for a long time but Leaves of Autumn Books, 518 W. Main St., P. O Box 440, Payson, Arizona 85547
Phone (520) 474 3654, FAX (520) 474 0310 has copies of these for sale. For example, An Appeal to Mothers is $2.25... Solemn Appeal $4.95. This company prints hard to find, out of print SDA Books at very reasonable prices. I have personally bought from them many times. They are reliable. If you call or write, they will send their catalog. Now is your chance to actually document all of the nonsence as taught by EGW.
Ray Pitts
Maryann
Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2000 - 5:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Ray,

As a kid, I remember reading "A Solemn Appeal". It really had some awful things in it!! I have read parts of "An Appeal to Mothers" lately and the things in that are even worse. The things about "amalgamation" and "secret sin", if for no other reason, should really tell any reader of the serious problems they are getting into and to be very wary.

Thank you for the info.

Maryann
Steve
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 2:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another factoid:

When Jesus returns, a small cloud, the size of a man's fist, will appear first, and get larger and larger.

DUH! Of course clouds start small and get larger and larger -- that's called condensation (and then get smaller and smaller -- that's called rain). But nowhere in scripture is a cloud the size of a fist related to the second coming of Jesus.
Plain Patti
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steve,

I always wondered what that meant. I mean if you put your fist close to your face, then the cloud could be the size of the entire eastern sky! Or if you hold your fist at arm' length it could be very small on the horizon. If it were actually the size of a man's fist, of course, we couldn't see it for quite a while.

What a relief it was to a young mind to be able to drop that myth into the abyss!
Allenette
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's one for you all: sent to me today by my dear sweet SDA pastor's widow mom:

There is a growing SDA internet email (inevitable) which friends send "inspirational" messages to each other. Here's one of the latest gggg (not): see what you think!

The Room....beware this is really powerful.
>
In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I
found myself in the room. There were no
distinguishing features except for the one wall
covered with small index card files. They were
like the ones in libraries that list titles by
author or subject in alphabetical order. But
These files, which stretched from floor to
ceiling and seemingly endlessly in either
direction, had very different headings.
As I drew near the wall of files, the first to
catch my attention was one that read "Girls I
have Liked". I opened it and began flipping
through the cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to
realize that I recognized the names written on
each one. And then without being told, I knew
exactly where I was.
This lifeless room with its small files was a
crude catalog system for my life. Here were
written the actions of my every moment, big and
small, in a detail my memory couldn't match.
A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with
horror, stirred within me as I began randomly
opening files and exploring their content. Some
brought joy and sweet memories; others a sense
of shame and regret so intense that I would look
over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching.
A file named "Friends" was next to one marked
"Friends I have Betrayed". The titles ranged
from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I
Have Read", "Lies I Have Told", "Comfort I Have
Given", "Jokes I Have Laughed At".
Some were almost hilarious in their exactness:
"Things I've Yelled at My Brothers". Others I
couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My
Anger", "Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents". I never ceased to be surprised by the contents. Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I
had lived. Could it be possible that I had the time in my 20 years to write each of these thousands or even millions of cards? But each
card confirmed this truth. Each was written in
my own handwriting. Each signed with my
signature. When I pulled out the file marked "Songs I Have Listened To", I realized the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it, shamed, not so much by the quality of music, but more by the vast amount of time I knew that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts I felt a chill run through my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. An almost animal rage broke on me.
One thought dominated my mind: "No one must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy them!" In an insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't,matter now. I had to empty it and burn the file. But as I took it at one end and began pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate and pulled out single card, only to find it as strong as steel when I tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its slot. Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh. And then I saw it. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With". The handle was brighter Than those around it, newer, almost unused. I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that the hurt started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this room. I must lock it up and hide the key. But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not here. Oh, anyone butJesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open th files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to atch His response. And in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow eeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively to the worst boxes.
Why did He have to read every one? Finally He
turned and looked at me from across the room. He
looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was
a pity that didn't anger me. I dropped my head,
covered my face with my hands and began to cry
again. He walked over and put His arm around me.
He could have said so many things. But He didn't
say a word. He just cried with me. Then He
got up and walked back to the wall of files.
Starting at one end of the room, He took out a
file and, one by one, began to sign His name
over mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing
to Him. All I could find to say was "No,no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't
be on these cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.
He gently took the card back. He smiled a sad
smile and began to sign the cards. I don't thin I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly,
but the next instant it seemed I heard Him close
the last file and walk back to my side. He
placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is
finished."

I stood up, and He led me out of the room. There was
no lock on its door.There were still cards to be written.
"I can do all things through Christ who trengthens me." Phil. 4:>
This story is the best e-mail story I have ever ead. "For God so loved the world that he gave
his only son, that whosoever believes in him
shall not perish but have everlasting life."
If you feel the same way, forward it to as many
people as you can so the love you have for Christ aybe shared.

And t is supposed to be encouraging???? Sheesh talk about mind control!! Any takers? Does anyone find this pretty paranoic extra-Biblical besides me?
Maryann
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 10:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Allenette,

I have a comment but it is beyond the scope of this Forum;-)

Maryann
sherry
Posted on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 9:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ummm...this is not an SDA e-mail that was from above...it's been sent over all forums to many Christians....and to some it is encouraging to know all their sins are forgiven, for me myself stand with Paul and say I am the chief of sinners, but praise God I am saved by the blood of the LAMB..But let's not say that this story if from Adventists to each other and mind control. That was not an e-mail just sent through SDA lines or made by an SDA...

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