| Author | Message | ||
| Chyna |
it's just so sad that such a sentiment has influenced the adventist church at its core doctrine. thanks Breezy :)! | ||
| Richardtinker |
Breezy, Chyna is not Max. Max is alive and well and still taking a break from the forum while he gets set up with a new computer. He's also working on a study of Hebrews that we will post on this website soon. Richard | ||
| Breezy |
I was really just making a reference to how much she has learned in such a short time. She is very bright and has alot of profound thoughts. Just a play on words, sorry. I kind of figured Max was involved in something like that. Thanks though!:) God Bless your ministry Richard, Wendy | ||
| Ray |
From the Spalding and Magan collection, page 21 and 2 MR #153, page 300... From the "inspired" pen of Ellen Gould White. "Slavery will again be received in the southern states, for the spirit of slavery still lives. There it will not do for those who labor among the colored people to preach the truth as boldly and openly as they would be free to do in other places. Even Christ clothed His lessons in figures and parables to avoid the opposition of the Pharisees." Wow! Ellen teaches that slavery is coming back!i.e she thought it would come back shortly after the civil war. Never happened and never will. Can you believe that an Adventist minister on another forum told the group that "when this happens, it will be absolute proof of the prophetic ability of EGW. Now those poor misguided people who will believe anything that the administration tells them will draw up in a knot,not sleeping at night, expecting to be made black slaves again, cutting their fingers real good all day long picking cotton! And all this on the say so of the "False Profit" EGW. | ||
| Ray |
Here is a real problem EGW quote.. "There is one straight chain of truth without one heretical sentence in that which I have written." E.G. White Letter 329a, 1905 | ||
| Sherry2 |
"When the judgement of the General Conference, which is the highest authority that God has upon earth, is exercised, private independence and private judgement must not be maintained, but must be surrendered." (Ellen White, Testimonies, vol. 3, p.492). | ||
| Lydell |
Sherry, I still remember in the Adventist Review sometime in the 80's, probably between 85 and 90, seeing a slightly differently worded version of this. Only this time it was a resolution that was passed at one of the GC sessions. Apparently it had passed without any great dispute whatsoever. This time it was, "when the GC sets in session we recognize it to be God's highest authority on earth." I'd never seen the quote by EGW that you posted here (until last year). And we had already left the local congregation a year or two before. But when I saw that, I knew that we would NEVER be going back to stay with that bunch! It really gave me the creeps. | ||
| Joni |
Dosen't EGW say somewhere that we will be without the Holy Spirit in the last days????????? I am going through a book and w/b called the pre wrath rapture of the church and just read something that again jelled it in that the HOly Spirit does not leave us in the end. Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near" Also Eph. 4:30 "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Praise God. His word is truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joni | ||
| Max |
Hi Joni, Nice to talk to you again -- if you're the same Joni. Are you? About your post: I think you're right. Read John 16:6-8 NIV, Jesus speaking: ^^ Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: ^^ This passage means to me that the spiritual reality that is Jesus Christ and the spiritual reality that is the Holy Spirit are an identity. That is, along with the Father, they are all one God, the trinity. Deuteronomy 6:3-5 NIV says, ^^ Hear, O Israel, and be careful to obey so that it may go well with you and that you may increase greatly in a land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your fathers, promised you. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. ^^ So it looks like Ellen G. White was mistaken. Any Adventist EGW-defenders out there are welcome to equal time here. Just do it with a sweet spirit, please. Max of the Cross | ||
| Joni |
Dear Max, Yes I am the same Joni. It's good to have you back. Although sometimes you scare me!!!! Sometimes I don't understand the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, and the Father. It is something that I get confused about. I think because my mind hasn't seen a good picture in my mind yet. I can only go by what experiences I have had in this life. God says there is only one God and yet Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God. I have always tried to trust that God understands my mind and I do love Him with all my heart, soul and body, and I trust that He knows that I am truly confused and He will reveal to me someday a settled picture. I am not trying to make a argument here. I am trying to understand. In Church it is explained that the three have the same last name but are three different people. I have heard it said that God the Father is actually Jesus Christ come to earth and entered the baby, and they are one and the same. Someone asked who raised Jesus from the dead if they are the same??? So is there an easy way to understand this. And the Holy Spirit?? Is He a part of God that God gives to us, or is He a totally different person??? Any way........ back to the Holy Spirit being with us in the end times, I am so thankful for this news. I now know that I can do all things and stand firm anywhere, anytime, because He is always with me. Joni | ||
| Max |
Hi Joni, Love to talk with you. But the fact that I scare you sometimes scares me! I hope we're not scared of each other. That would not be good. I think that your confusion over the concept of the trinity is a healthy sign. It means spiritual growth is in the offing. I don't think that we should even try to understand the trinity with human reason. We should try to understand the concept with spiritual experience, however. And you are obviously doing that by saying, "Back to the Holy Spirit being with us in the end times, I am so thankful for this news. I now know that I can do all things and stand firm anywhere, anytime, because He is always with me." There are plenty of warning signs in scripture not to separate, not even in our minds, the Father from the Son from the Holy Spirit. For example: Isaiah 9 5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. 6 For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. You'll recognize this passage from Handel's "Messiah." But it is important to learn from it -- as few do -- that one of the child's names is "The Everlasting Father." Another is "Wonderful Counselor," which as you know is just another name for the Holy Spirit. See what I mean by not trying to separate the persons of the godhead? What do you think? Max of the Cross | ||
| Joni |
Max I think you are right. I have never thought of this verse in that way, The Wonderful Counselor and Everlasting Father. Also the thought of not trying to separate the persons of the Godhead settled a bit of my wonderings. As always you are full of wisdom. There is so much to unlearn and to learn. I do trust God to keep me informed though, in time I usually either understand or let it rest and trust that He will reveal at at later time or when the dark mirror gets taken away and we see face to face. Thanks Max, by the way I am not really scared scared of you. Joni | ||
| Max |
Joni, I'm learning from your witness how to progress in knowledge of the written witness without losing track of "where I've been." This is hard for me to do, since I tend to "grab" new ideas too fast perhaps at the expense of earlier ideas which remain true. Thank you, teacher. We're all teachers and learners together, don't you think? Max of the Cross | ||
| Joni |
Max, I am not sure I understand what you mean? Do you mean you want to throw the baby out with the bath water???? In any case, yes I do believe that we are all learners and teachers. I believe that there is something I can learn from all I come into contact with. There is also something I can teach. "Let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds," The people of God are here to encourage one another and teach one another. I think this is why God gave us spiritual gifts. My weakness is another's strength and my strength is anothers weakness. Maryann, I read your post, but for some reason there is no "add a message", just a weird sentence with some numbers and letters. (In the workplace thread.) Max, what do you think about Heb. 10:26-31? and Heb. 3:12? We are studying Hebrews and have been on 10:26 for a few weeks now. What does sinning willfully mean and what is receiving the knowledge, mean. What knowledge? Is this written to the messianic Jewish, with the intention of some non saved Jewish to read? Maybe this should be on a separate thread. Joni | ||
| Max |
Joni, All my life I heard that leaving Adventism was "throwing out the baby with the bathwater." I can't even remember how young I was when I first heard that distinctively SDA saying. But I do remember the cold chill it sent through my spine! For all I could think of was Christmas and Baby Jesus. Now in my old age I've come to realize that Adventists equate their salvation with their church membership. Get this: For them the baby isn't Christ at all! The baby is CHURCH MEMBERSHIP! "Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" literally means, Don't throw out your church membership -- your ticket to heaven -- just because: * "Prexy Bob" Folkenberg got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Not to mention his other hand, both feet, his head, and especially his belly. * "Prexy Neal" Wilson lied on the witness stand in the Merikay case. * Ellen G. White -- under the direction of the Holy Spirit, of course, of course -- went down to her local Christian bookstore, stole the brain children of others, then re-penned them over her own name without giving them credit, much less payment. * Des Ford was defrocked and economically "burned at the stake" for speaking the truth at Glacier View. (Shades of the stoning of Stephen? Not that Des is any Stephen! Not even close!) * The Cookie Monster (McKee of "the massacre at Southern Adventist University" fame) sells Little Debbie "health foods" in nearly every supermarket in the country. * The far-right-wing "historical Adventist" vinyard owners of Lodi, California and elsewhere sell their "table grapes" to wineries for to increase the "skid row" wino population. * Airing the "dirty laundry" of sexual molestation of SDA children by their own parents is a greater sin by far than washing said laundry. Don't do it, my friend. "Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" just because of these minor details. To be really "safe to save," don't even look at perpetration in the church. Look away. Better yet, close your eyes! Stop your ears! Tie your hands behind our back! Judge not that ye be not judged! For we are ALL doing these things. Or would if we could. I tell thee the cross of Christ could never be as important to you as your CHURCH MEMBERSHIP! Let Jesus go if you have to, but keep carrying that card with The Three Angels on it. Max of the Cross | ||
| Ken |
Hi Maximus: yeah! And no other church bodies have any problems/corruption in them? Check out the huge Baptist scam thats just now happening. They collected funds from members then spent it on really bad land deals. It happens, hey maybe we should all abide by the "TEN COMMANDMENTS" then this kind of problem would never happen. Following Jesus Ken | ||
| Max |
Hi Ken, Matthew 22 (KJV): 34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Max of the Cross | ||
| Ken |
Hi Max: Funny I thought you said the Law and Prophets were done away with at the cross. Why would you be quoting this verse? Following Jesus Ken | ||
| Max |
Hi Ken, I didn't say it Paul said it. Hebrews also says it: Hebrews 10:1 (NIV): The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. | ||
| Max |
Joni, you wrote, ^^Max, what do you think about Heb. 10:26-31? and Heb. 3:12? We are studying Hebrews and have been on 10:26 for a few weeks now. What does sinning willfully mean and what is receiving the knowledge, mean. What knowledge? Is this written to the messianic Jewish, with the intention of some non saved Jewish to read? Maybe this should be on a separate thread. Joni^^ I haven't forgotten, and will get back to you when I have time. God love you, Max of the Cross |
