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Message |
Max
| | Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 8:34 pm: |     |
Yes, Valerie. This scenario you describe is
similar to my friend's. If he accepted Christ he
was saved even though he killed himself.
Being human, we look on the outward
appearance, but being God, God looks on the
heart. We see through a glass darkly, but "on
that day" we will see face to face. And not
Christ's face alone. But also my friend's. For
this I am comforted.
Max Still of the Cross |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 10:53 pm: | |
Dear Valerie,
Truly I thank you for your encouragement. As this day, as all week, it has been needed.
Sometimes you are an amazing woman! You spend your day saving babies, then you come and post onto this forum saving (from discouragement) yet another babe (in Christ),,me :)
When the time comes or if it comes to quit smoking, I will most certainly ask for prayer as that is a definite.
Mostly though, what I would like to thank you for the words "I LOVE YOU."
Rarely do we hear these words spoken in person let alone on a public forum.
And the amazing thing about that is we are told by our Lord Jesus Christ, to Love one another. Somehow though, we humans are intiminated by these words. Not I. I'm speaking of others.
I know around here, my complex in which I live, at the beginning when I would say those words to someone, they would be intimidated by them.
Now, well everyone knows that I'm not only one to say those words, but act on them in kind deeds and also, I'm a hugger. Yes, I hug people.
It's amazing how many people are afraid of hugs! It is unknown territory for many folks and gives many an uneasy feeling. It's alien to them to have someone hug them, other than their wife or husband.
But now around here, this complex, these people love the hugs and it puts a smile on their face too! Infact, they NEED a hug! They are old, lonely, frail men and women, whose families have mostly forgotten them.
I won't forget them if I can help it :)
I confess, I love to give hugs, they're free! Also, the words 'I LOVE YOU' once saved my life at age 14. My own aunt, who to this day has no clue what it meant to me when she said those words as I was boarding Amtrak train to depart.
Infact, so much did those words impact me, that just a few weeks back, I was thinking back on that day. 30 years later I think on that day.
I love you too Valerie. It seems as God pours more love into me, the more love I can give in return to others. It just works that way, doesn't it.
Or is it, we pour out our love and God then gives us even more to pour out? Hmmm, either way, I know it all comes from our Lord God.
One day, we will hopefully be able to love completely unconditional like the word 'agape' means. For now, I think many are afraid of those words due to human conditions put on them.
God Bless you and richly bless you, your husband and your sons! Give them all yet another hug from the nutty lady who is online from time to time. :0)
your sister in Christ Jesus,
Denise
P.S. At my very first FAF meeting in Redlands, I went and hugged everyone a goodnight while we were leaving Cocos restaurant. Then once I was home, I got to thinking about it and thought, oh no, I hope I didn't offend anybody! Nobody said that I offended them so I'm guessing it was okay. Just my way of doing things, I hug people. Why we otta, cause some of us may not be here tomorrow. Know what I mean? |
Max
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 1:48 am: | |
Patti,
^^The Gospel is all about Jesus; it is not about
us. Christ is our full redemption. He asks us
to trust Him to keep His promises to us. Why
is it so hard to believe?^^
The gospel is "all about Jesus." It is ALSO "all
about us." Else John 3:16-18 would not be
true:
NIV "For God so loved the WORLD that he
gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER
believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life. For God did not send his Son into
the WORLD to condemn the WORLD, but to
save the WORLD through him. WHOEVER
believes in him is not condemned, but
WHOEVER does not believe stands
condemned already because he has not
believed in the name of God's one and only
Son."
The gospel IS all about us. It is all-inclusive. It
takes in the whole world and everybody in it:
"whoever."
Why do you think "it is so hard to believe?"
Max of the Cross |
Valm
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 6:54 am: | |
Denise,
I am a hugger too. You would like our little church because everyone hugs everyone in the peace. Or I think they do, atleast they all hug me.
It is unfortunate that the word love and hugs has been so strongly attached to sexuality that they are rites of passage not taken advantage of. That is my opinion.
So go forth and hug. We all have a mission to take back what is rightfully ours and that is to live life more abundantly!!!!!
Valerie |
Valm
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 12:55 pm: | |
Dear Max, I have backread enough of the posts to find out about your friend. I am so sorry and will be praying for his family and you that you may find comfort in this time of sorry.
When anyone in my life has died I have had a reign of terror of OH NO can we just go back and do it over? Would that make a difference? What if. . .? Do not do that to yourself.
Rest in the hope that this person has accepted Jesus and is in a much better state of mind than he was from whatever brought him to committ suicide.
There is nothing our heavenly Father can not pardon or cover with his grace.
Valerie |
Max
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 1:26 pm: | |
Thank you, Valerie,
And I had to trust God more to get over
feelings of guilt that if only I had done more he
would not have.....
MC |
Max
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 1:29 pm: | |
And it is comforting to know that even though
he is "away from the body" he is "with the
Lord." That is a rescuing concept unavailable
in SDAdventism.
MC |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 1:43 pm: | |
Max,
You are using a different sig now.
I like MC too!
See ya tonight!
God Bless,
D :) |
Max
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 3:19 pm: | |
MC = Max of the Cross
JR = Joshua of the Rock! |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 3:41 pm: | |
DTB=Denise the Berean! |
Max
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 3:52 pm: | |
Indeed and amen! -MC |
Valm
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 4:43 pm: | |
I can barely keep up with the alphabet soup as it is. Can someone make a decoder for me?
Valerie |
Max
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 5:12 pm: | |
How about adding to the soup instead?
V V = Valorie Victorious!
-MC |
Maryann
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 12:44 am: | |
Hey Max,
Hmmmmmmm!'-)
And I thought that
M C = More Cartoons:,,,,-))
He he he.....Maryann:-)))))
PS.....Oh!, Hi Max!!!? |
Max
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 12:59 am: | |
Welcome back, Maryann.
GGGGG,
MC |
Valm
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 7:23 am: | |
What does GGGGGG mean anyway? Valerie |
Max
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 9:34 am: | |
Dunno. Got it from Allenette. Gurgle? Gargle?
Giggle? Goo-goo? Googol? Gigawatt?
Gigagoogol-watt? Gargoyle? Gaggle of
goggle-eyed geese? Not ga-ga surely! Nor,
"Groggily yours." Giggin' with the gang? Back
in grammar school we used to say, "Gag a
maggot!" But only in a gag like, "Your gramma
is a gas, like she'd gag a maggot." I give, go
ask her. -MC |
Susan_2 (Susan_2)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 11:36 am: | |
I was watching the news last night about Iraq. The newscaster said that Friday is the last day of the week in Iraq and that Saturday is the first day of the week over there. So, if a SDA is in Iraq does the SDA have Sabbath on Friday? Or, would the SDA have Sabbath according to the western calander? And, what about the different time zones in all of this? What if the SDA is from an European background, then would the SDA have Sabbath according to the sunsets of his native country? Since the world is devided into 24 time zones would the SDA just pick a time zone to follow the sunset to sunset rule? I want someone to tell me on what day the SDA would have Sabbath in Iraq. |
Loneviking (Loneviking)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 5:38 pm: | |
It would be Saturday. In fact, the official Adventist Review site has a short news article on the SDA church in Baghdad. It's still standing and the folks are still worshipping there. Go to the website and check it out! |
Susan_2 (Susan_2)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 5:51 pm: | |
So if they worship on Saturday then they would be worshipping on the first day of the week, right? |
Susan_2 (Susan_2)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 6:08 pm: | |
I went to the Review web-page and I read all the articles concerning Iraq and the war. They were interesting articles. |
Doc (Doc)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 10:31 pm: | |
Interesting point Susan,
In Hungary, where I live, officially Sunday is the seventh day of the week and Monday is the first, so those who worship on Sunday are keeping the seventh day after all. SDAs keep Saturday here too :-)
doc |
Janice (Janice)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 3:24 pm: | |
Hello, its me again with another devotional for you, and it only seems appropriate that it get posted here under "obnoxious" since this is truly what my plight is looking like as well as the sourse of my irritation.
It is strange that this devotional was sent last Tuesday and has been floating in cyberspace all week while I have been having problems with my e-mail. I went from 0 messages to 26 in record speed when I came to my husband's computer, I guess the problem is in my computer instead of Bellsouth since both computers are on the same line.
It just so happens that these verses of scripture are the very same ones that the preacher spoke on this morning, and I had just finished commenting on them in another post. I don't know if any of the rest of you see any divine intervention playing a part here but I should could.
I had successfully blocked certain parties from my computer's email but Mike's computer was wide open to it, but not anymore, amen.
Resist the devil, and he will flee from you was the opening line of today's devotional and showed me just how futile Satan's attempts are during times like this when I am under fire from those that continue to allow Satan a foothold in their lives, and to receive e-mails that state my posts are offensive because I say that the assaulting emails are demonic in nature is just another way of letting me know that I have the devil's attention, amen?
I am quiet tired of hearing the term 'civil discourse' and could care less if my statement "calling a spade a spade" is offensive or rude, I don't have to be nice to the devil and I say that if the shoe fits then wear it, but I am sure that if the web masters get together and agree that I should tone it down or else, then I will still tell it like it is, whether it is here in the forum or wherever the Lord leaves me to speak because Peter and Paul both preached that it was more important to obey God than man. If Paul was willing to be persecuted for what he believed in then I should strive to have the same determination as he did, and I should listen to what I have already been told in my morning devotional, I don't fear anything when I know I am allowing myself to be used by God and don't apologize, never will. It is one thing to be rebellious and stubborn with God, but it is an assured blessing from God when I am stubborn FOR him, amen!!!
The devotional continues with this verse: When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.--Be gone, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered to him.
Be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.--
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather REPROVE [them].--Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are NOT ignorant of his devices.--Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom RESIST steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.--This is the VICTORY THAT OVERCOMETH the world, [even] our faith.(With our faith, we do have the victory over Satan, amen?)
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth.
Jas 4:7 Isa 59:19 Mt 4:10,11 Eph 6:10,11 Eph 5:11 2Co 2:11 1Pe 5:8,9 1Jo 5:4 Ro 8:33
Maybe this should be a prayer of my accusers--
O that I knew where I might find him!
Who [is] among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh [in] darkness, and hath no light? let him TRUST in the name of the LORD, and RELY upon his God.
Ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.--Seek, and ye shall find; knock, and the door shall be opened to you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh the door shall be opened.
Truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.--Now in Christ Jesus ye who once were far off are made near by the blood of Christ.--For through him we both have an ACCESS by one Spirit to the Father.
If we SAY that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we LIE, and do not the truth:
Lo, I am with you always.--I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.--The COMFORTER . . . dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Job 23:3 Isa 50:10 Jer 29:13 Lu 11:9,10 1Joh 1:3 Eph 2:13,18 1Jo 1:6 Mt 28:20 Heb 13:5 Joh 14:16,17
I say AMEN for the comforter and thank God that I no longer walk in darkness. I have sought, I have found; I have asked, I have received; I have knocked and the doors have been opened for me and all I want is to help others to see the light. I will shine regardless of the circumstances, amen.
Janice |
Charlene_2 (Charlene_2)
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 2:50 am: | |
Dear Janice,
Have no fear of being "rude". I have reaped the results of entertaining the same party-"trying to be "civil" in Christ." It has breeded nothing but confusion and frustration. I was hoping for a way to have this party removed from my e-mail and will take up the matter with aol tomorrow. Do not be ashamed of the gospel. You cannot reason with unbelif,doubt,fear,intimation, and whatever foes the Enemy wants to throw our way. I also find it obnoxious that the same "ones" who are so intollerant of evangelical views are the same ones to be extremly offended. If the truth offends- well, so be it. We have stood by on the side lines long enough and taken the backlash "politically correct." No more. Life is too short. My husband and I both discussed this "party" and their views tonite. We also discussed the subject of how our Christian contact was advancing the kingdom of God. We came to the conclusion that is was "ZILCH". We have more important tasks to do with our time than trying to open the eyes of one who wishes to remain and complain of where they are in the Lord. Do not ever give up your stance. Our faith and integrity is a God given gift. You possess those gifts. Hold on to them thightly.
Charlene Godbee |
Janice (Janice)
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 3:21 am: | |
Thanks Charlene, I have really been relieved from this burden with everyone's kind words of encouragement, both here in the forum and in private e-mails. I will be taking some good advice and ignore bad emails and block what I can, by the way, you can right-click a person's email address and click properties and find block sender and it automatically sends that person's mail to the trash can, in most boxes anyway.
I do believe what God's word says and really felt that those two devotionals that I posted for everyone were truly God's way of encouraging me as well, amen.
I will be posting more in the thread on the rapture, the cult, and the seven unities but need to break for work now.
God bless,
Janice |
Lydell (Lydell)
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:31 am: | |
Janice, I've dealt with obnoxious ones on the internet before. The best way to get rid of them is to follow the disciples example of shaking the dust off your sandals and moving on. That means that if you are still getting messages from someone, you immediately hit the delete button. You do NOT open their mail, you do not read their mail, you do not even read a line of the mail, you just dump it instantly. Better yet is what you have done and blocked their e-mails.
This comes under not casting your pearls before swine. When a persons mind is closed, it is closed. If they won't listen to the Holy Spirit, then they sure as heck aren't going to listen to anything you have to say.
Posting messages here that refer to them only adds to their fun...it lets them know that their harrassment is working, that they are still getting your blood to boil. And that feeds the ego. And that, after all, is exactly what they have been looking to do. The word here is IGNORE.
Someone once referred to it as spiritual triage. When a medic rushes into a battlefield to tend the wounded he has to make tough decisions. This one is near death and likely cannot be helped no matter if they were in a well-equipped operating room, that one over there is critical and there is some aide that can be rendered to help them but they are fighting the help...and there is no one to help restrain them while I work on them, so the time essential help will go to critically injured person number three who also is near death, yet willing for help to be rendered.
When I heard this statement it at first really irritated me. Our heart says that ALL should be helped. But the reality is that all CANNOT be. Remember, that medic is being shot at all the time he is rendering aide. To stay and render aide to one who is beyond help or the one who is fighting the help means that another will die. OR that the medic will be brought down by a bullet himself.
To let ourselves continue to come under enemy harrassment means that we are wasting aide that could be life giving to someone else. To allow the harrassment to get to us means that we sit down on the battlefield and stop moving ourselves while we have to tend to our own wounds. Give it some thought, and I believe you will see the wisdom in it. It is a HUGE battle to let go and move on. But you just have to do it. |
Lydell (Lydell)
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:35 am: | |
Janice, I've dealt with obnoxious ones on the internet before. The best way to get rid of them is to follow the disciples example of shaking the dust off your sandals and moving on. That means that if you are still getting messages from someone, you immediately hit the delete button. You do NOT open their mail, you do not read their mail, you do not even read a line of the mail, you just dump it instantly. Better yet is what you have done and blocked their e-mails.
This comes under not casting your pearls before swine. When a persons mind is closed, it is closed. If they won't listen to the Holy Spirit, then they sure as heck aren't going to listen to anything you have to say.
Posting messages here that refer to them only adds to their fun...it lets them know that their harrassment is working, that they are still getting your blood to boil. And that feeds the ego. And that, after all, is exactly what they have been looking to do. The word here is IGNORE.
Someone once referred to it as spiritual triage. When a medic rushes into a battlefield to tend the wounded he has to make tough decisions. This one is near death and likely cannot be helped no matter if they were in a well-equipped operating room, that one over there is critical and there is some aide that can be rendered to save their life but they are fighting the help...and there is no one to help restrain them while I work on them, so the time-essential help will go to critically injured person number three who also is near death, yet willing for help to be rendered.
When I heard this statement it at first really irritated me! Our heart says that ALL should be helped. Isn't that what we are here to do?
But the reality is that all CANNOT be because their minds are closed, they are fighting the medic off. Remember, that medic is being shot at all the time he is rendering aide! To stay and render aide to one who is beyond help or the one who is fighting the help means that another who could have been saved will die. OR that the medic will be brought down by a bullet himself.
To let ourselves continue to come under enemy harrassment means that we are wasting aide that could be life giving to someone else. To allow the harrassment to get to us means that we sit down on the battlefield and stop moving forward ourselves while we have to tend to our own wounds. Give it some thought, and I believe you will see the wisdom in it. It is a HUGE battle to let go and move on. But you just have to do it to be effectively useful on the battlefield.
By the way, thanks for the info on adding names to the dump list. I'd been trying to figure out how to do that and my computer guru no longer lives at home. Isn't it a gorgeous day today! Cold yes, but gorgeous! |
Lydell (Lydell)
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:40 am: | |
And Janice, I will pass on to you a word someone had for me from the Lord when we were dealing with our obnoxious person. It was pretty funny actually because she didn't understand what it meant and I had to explain it to her.
The word is literally one word, "germinate". Different seeds germinate at different times. Some do so almost immediately. Yet there are others that take literally YEARS to germinate and begin to grow. Some have to be soaked in water for days before they can sprout. Others have to literally go thru a fire before they can grow. (And we won't even get into the ones that have to go thru the digestive system of an animal before they can begin growing! haha)
You have planted seeds, girlfriend, in the mind of everyone you speak to about the Lord. The thing is that sometimes those seeds will have to lay there for a period of time before there will be any growth. If you dig the seed up after it has been planted, it is not going to grow. Yoy have exposed it for the enemy to come along and snatch it away. Pray for the sealing of the seeds and leave it alone and go on your way. The Spirit is the one who will have to cause the thing to sprout. |
Janice (Janice)
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 1:40 pm: | |
Thanks Lydell, It really felt good to come home and open up my mail to see three messages and they were ALL junk ads, amen. Guess I just needed a jump start on my faith engine and I have many thoughts running through my mind to post about but need to get me a bite to eat first. Mike has gone to Alabama hunting for those turkeys again, ha, ha. He does love to get out in those woods, he says that is when he really feels at peace, when he is quiet with God and I love it that we have that good a relationship that we both can feel loved of the other even with we are apart, that's what its all about, LOVE!!!
I do love all of you who have been such an encouragement to me, it means a lot. I am still having some problems with my computer and will probably wind up taking it back to the store to see if anything can be done with it. I will try to post later. Bye for now.
Janice |
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