| Author | Message | ||
| Patti |
Amen, Cindy! Thank you! | ||
| Denisegilmore |
So nobody has a problem with the word 'imparted' rather than 'imputed?' I thank you both for your response and am looking for even more responses. God Bless always, Denise | ||
| Denisegilmore |
So, nobody has a problem with the word 'imparted' rather than 'imputed?' I thank anyone for a response and am looking for even more responses. God Bless always, Denise | ||
| Patti |
There is absolutely no safeguard against evil but truth. No man can stand firm for right in whose heart the truth does not abide. There is only one power that can make and keep us steadfast--the power of God, imparted to us through the grace of Christ. Denise, I have several problems with that statement, the first being that we stand firm because of something "in us," i.e., "the truth." Jesus Christ is the Truth; His saving work for us is the foundation of our faith; our foundation is not something that happens in us. I love that old hymn: "My hope is built on nothing less Than Jesus blood and righteousness." And anything inside of me is certainly "less" than the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Second, it deals with high-sounding euphemisms that have no basis in reality. How does a person have "the truth in his heart"? There are so many possibilities, both true and heretical, that it needs specific definition. You and I believe that we "have the truth in our heart" when we believe in the Gospel of our Lord. But I have heard others claim that "having the truth within" means that they have changed characters, that they reflect Jesus Christ. And so I object to the nebulous-ness of the concept. If she had said, "only he who trusts in Jesus Christ for his full salvation," then I would be in total agreement. This is scriptural, and it is something that can be grasped and defined. As for the "imparted" vs. "imputed," I have no problem with God's power to keep trusting in Him being "imparted" to us by the Holy Spirit. Had she said that the righteousness by which we are saved is "imparted" rather than "imputed" only, then I would have had a serious problem. Obviously you have more ideas about that passage, Denise. Let's hear them! Grace and peace, Patti | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Thank you Patti. I'm still thinking on this though. There's something about this paragraph of hers that is bugging me. God Bless you, DtB | ||
| Patti |
There's something about this paragraph of hers that is bugging me. Can you identify the source of your concern? I really would like to hear what you are thinking... Grace and peace, Patti | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Hello Patti, Yes. It is the 'imparted' vs 'imputed' part. You said: > As for the "imparted" vs. "imputed," I have no problem with God's power to keep trusting in Him being "imparted" to us by the Holy Spirit.< I believe that the power of God is 'imputed' in us. Not 'imparted' to us. Definitions of both words: IMPART: vt. -parted, parting, parts [latin, impartire: in-, in + partire, to share< pars, part] 1. To grant a share of: BESTOW <impart wisdom> 2. To make known: COMMUNICATE <impart the bad news> IMPUTE: vt. puted, putting, putes, [ME imputen <OFr, emputer<Lat. imputare, to charge: in, in + pultare, to reckon, compute.] 1. To ascribe (e.g., a crime or defect) to another. 2. To attribute to a source or cause. 3. To attribute (e.g., credit for a good turn) to a person other than the one who initiated the act. So we see that by mere believing, it was the 'imputed' power (dunamis) of God, that first came to us and resided in us in order that we believe. Otherwise, we would not believe. Without God's power coming into us, we cannot believe. God is attributed as the source or cause (see above). God is the one who initiated the act (see above). There is a power in the Gospel. This power is God the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit 'in us', we cannot be converted. Being filled with the Holy Spirit (the power to do signs and wonders too), we are saved. DUNAMIS: 1. Strength power, ability a. Inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or a thing exerts and puts forth. b. Power for performing miracles. c. Moral power and excellence of soul. d. The power and influence which belong to riches and wealth. e. Power and resources arising from numbers. f. Power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, host. It is in the KJV NT 120 times. 77 times as power 11 times as mighty work 7 times as strength 4 times as might 3 times as virtue 2 times as mighty 9 times miscellaneously Look at Pharoah in Romans 9:17 Take a look at Romans 15:17-19, Paul did through the power of the Holy Spirit, signs and miracles. Acts 2:22 and Acts 10:38 Jesus is doing the same things. Signs and miracles, healings. In these texts the same word is used in the Greek..it is 'Dunamis.' This tells me that imputed to us, through the Holy Spirit, we have the same power. Acts 4:7-8 talks of the Holy Spirit power. Acts 6:8 is Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit and full of power. Acts 8:10 talks of the sorcerer, using the same word Dunamis. Colossians 1:10-11, 28-29 is about 'All power.' In fact in Colossians 1:28-29 Paul is saying thus: "We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. To this end I labor, struggling WITH ALL HIS ENERGY, which so POWERFULLY WORKS IN ME." I just wish to know this Patti. Does the Holy Spirit reside within us or not? If not, then we have not been born of the Spirit, correct? God cannot be separated. He dwells within us. This is my belief thus far. Tell me what you think. God Bless you richly, your sister in Christ Jesus, Denise the berean | ||
| Colleentinker |
Wow, Denise! What a study! Thank you, Colleen | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Dear Colleen, Did it make good sense or seem logical? As that is only the brief of the study I did do. I was fearful of loosing what I had typed out already so I simply sent what I had thought best for the moment. What are your thoughts on this and my conclusions Colleen? Please be honest even if it contradicts what my thoughts are as I see it in a Biblical stance. I seek Truth as you well know. God's Blessings to both yourself and Richard, your sister who hopes to see you all this Friday, in Christ Jesus, our Lord Almighty, Peace DtB | ||
| Denisegilmore |
A Definition of 'DUNAMIS': The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon Strong's Number: 1411 Browse Lexicon Original Word Word Origin dunamiž from (1410) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Dunamis 2:284,186 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech doo'-nam-is Noun Feminine Definition strength power, ability inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth power for performing miracles moral power and excellence of soul the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth power and resources arising from numbers power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts NAS Word Usage - Total: 121 ability 4, meaning 1, mightily 1, mighty 1, miracle 2, miracles 17, miraculous powers 3, power 83, powers 6, strength 2, wealth 1 NAS Verse Count Matthew 13 Mark 10 Luke 15 Acts 10 Romans 7 1 Corinthians 15 2 Corinthians 7 Galatians 1 Ephesians 5 Philippians 1 Colossians 2 1 Thessalonians 1 2 Thessalonians 3 2 Timothy 3 Hebrews 6 1 Peter 2 2 Peter 3 Revelation 12 A Definition of 'ENDUED': (en-doo', -dyoo') vt. -dued, -du-ing, -dues. [partly <ME enduen< OFr. enduire, to lead in< Lat. inducere and partly<ME induen, to CLOTHE (<Lat. induere,] To provide with a quality, trait, or POWER. DtB | ||
| Denisegilmore |
The Power of the Holy Spirit: Ro 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Ro 15:19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Dunamis also means MIRACLE/S: 1Co 12:10 and to another the effecting of miracle s, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracle s, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 1Co 12:29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracle s, are they? Notice that all these are the gifts of the Spirit listed in 1 Corinthians. Miracles=Dunamis | ||
| Denisegilmore |
DUNAMIS =POWER, ABILITY, MIRACLE: 2Co 4:7 BUT WE HAVE THIS TREASURE IN EARTHEN VESSELS, that the surpassing greatness of the POWER MAY BE OF GOD AND NOT FROM OURSELVES; 2Co 6:7 IN THE WORD OF TRUTH, IN THE POWER OF GOD; by the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and the left, 2Co 8:3 For I testify that according to their ABILITY, and beyond their ABILITY they gave of their own accord, 2Co 12:9 And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for POWER is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, that the POWER OF CHRIST MAY DWELL IN ME. 2Co 12:12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and MIRACLE s. 2Co 13:4 For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the POWER OF GOD. For we also are weak in Him, yet we shall live with Him because of the POWER OF GOD directed toward you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
| Denisegilmore |
DUNAMIS=POWER AND STRENGTH: Eph 3:7 of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God's grace which was given to me according to the working of His POWER. Eph 3:16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be STRENGTH- ened WITH POWER THROUGH HIS SPIRIT IN THE INNER MAN; Eph 3:20 Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the POWER THAT WORKS WITHIN US, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
| Denisegilmore |
DUNAMIS=STRENGTH, POWER, MIGHTILY: Col 1:11 STRENGTH- ened with all POWER, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously Col 1:29 And for this purpose also I labor, striving according to HIS POWER, WHICH MIGHTILY WORKS WITHIN ME. Seems clear that this POWER OR DUNAMIS can only be the HOLY SPIRIT IN US. God in us as God is ALL in ALL. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
| Denisegilmore |
1Th 1:5 for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in POWER and in the HOLY SPIRIT and with full conviction; just as you know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake. | ||
| Denisegilmore |
2Th 1:11 To this end also we pray for you always that our God may count you worthy of your calling, and fulfill every desire for goodness and the work of faith with POWER; 2Th 2:9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all POWER and signs and false wonders, | ||
| Denisegilmore |
2Ti 1:7 For God HAS NOT GIVEN US A SPIRIT of timidity, but of POWER and LOVE and discipline. 2Ti 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, or of me His prisoner; but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the POWER OF GOD, 2Ti 3:5 holding to a form of godliness, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE DENIED ITS POWER; and avoid such men as these. | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Heb 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of HIS POWER. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 2:4 God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders and by various MIRACLE s and by GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT according to His own will. Heb 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the POWER s of the age to come, Heb 7:16 who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the POWER of an indestructible life. Heb 11:11 By faith even Sarah herself received ABILITY to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised; Heb 11:34 quenched the POWER of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became MIGHTY in war, put foreign armies to flight. | ||
| Denisegilmore |
1Pe 1:5 who are protected by the POWER of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. |
