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Patti
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Max,
Thank you for your kind words, but there was no need to ask for my forgiveness. It is not mine to give, and, in Christ, you have already been forgiven.

"His grace is sufficient."

God's richest blessings (the certainty of the worthiness of the Lamb and our acceptance with God for His sake) be with you today, without measure, pressed down and running over.

Grace and peace always,
Patti
Max
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 12:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

REVISED ìMax of the Cross Gives Noticeî
post:

Dear Friends,

I love you all. And I have immensely enjoyed
our conversations.

FAFF has been for me a house of worship as
much as any made of stone and steel and
wood. The only difference: it's made of
electrons.

At its outset FAF was dedicated to God and
this, I believe, has been the secret of its
success. And it will continue to be successful
in future only as this divine secret remains
operative.

Theism will always remain superior to
humanism, I believe, despite everything.
Hence, at the heart of this post, I wish to make
these points:

* If you deny Christ living in your heart, you will
eventually deny Him dying on the historical
cross as well. Or: Heart cross denied results
in historical cross denied.

* Holy Spirit in you = Son God in you = Father
God in you = One God in you = One God
uniting all believers in Him.

* And vice versa: You in the Holy Spirit = you in
the Son God = you in the Father God resulting
in all believers united in One God. (John 17.)

* Made possible by One God invading the
history of the universe in the person of Jesus
Christ and culminating in the finished work on
the cross.

Dear friends, now that the historical cross has
put the One God deep within your heart, keep
him there. Not hidden, but revealed.

Reveal Him as you push your shopping cart
around the supermarket aisles. Don't stand
and fume and say nothing if two carts are
blocking your way between Little Debbie
Health Foods on one side and canned
pseudoflesh on the other.

Smile and ask if you may pass.

Other people are just like you. They're
generally unaware that they're frustrating your
need. They'll respond, generally, as you
would. And as you pass, smile big and say HI
THERE! to that angry baby in the cart. See if
you can't elicit a smile from him!

Do you have eyes to see? Ears to hear? The
truth as it is in Jesus is this: You are as much
a missionary in the supermarket as in the
African or Amizon jungles or the Playboy
mansion or the Mardi Gras or the White
House or the Kremlin or Skid Row.

This is what the kingdom of heaven is all
about. It lies under our feet as well as over are
heads. If the cross is in you, you carry heaven
with you like an aura wherever you go. And as
you go people will ìsee your good works and
glorifyî -- not you, but -- ìyour Father in
heaven.î

Now I've said I'm giving notice. But I haven't
said why. For this reason: I won't be posting
on FAFF as much in future. I'll still lurk some.
So I'll be able to read your posts. Just not as
much.

THIS NOTICE MADE POSSIBLE BY THE
CROSS ALONE.

God bless you all,

Max of the Cross
Allenette
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Max, you are doing more curtain calls than
JAMES BROWN~~~~ ;-)
Max
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 8:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Never seen 'im.
Valm
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Allenette, That is a good chuckle. Valerie
Max
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 1:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

First thought for today:

The Son God did not put the cross on the
historical hill inside our hearts to glorify
our names, or even his own, but rather the
name of the Father God.

Thus is the command of Jesus fulfilled in us:
"Let your light so shine before men that they
may see your good works and glorify the
Father in heaven."
Cindy
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 7:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My dear unseen-yet friend Patti!!... Thank-you for your thoughts above. You asked some very good questions. I hate to have to go to work this morning, but will be home this evening and weekend so will have more time to write.

I absolutely believe that we must keep our focus on the Cross of Christ, for our assurance now and our motivation for living!

We live in "community", under the Cross, celebrating what JESUS has accomplished for us!

We need to re-hear this Gospel story over and over again because our human natures without the Spirit tend to glory in SELF. But it is all Jesus, what he has done!

The Gospel is supreme, for only by accepting this can we even rejoice in what the Holy Spirit continues to do in our lives.

What CHRIST HAS DONE is our COMPLETE payment, or ticket, into the Kingdom of God! Accomplished once and for all!

What He CONTINUES TO DO, through His Holy Spirit is keep driving us to Christ... to place all our unworthiness on HIS WORTHINESS, and encourage us to realize we need Him in every area of our life!

The religions of mankind are mainly to "improve" us. Christianity is different. Focusing on Christ we DIE to self and LIVE for Christ!

Christian "growth" is not me getting better and better... but my understanding and trusting Jesus getting better and better all the time.

Got to go...

Grace always,
Cindy
Patti
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 8:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Christian "growth" is not me getting better and better... but my understanding and trusting Jesus getting better and better all the time.

Yay! That IS our Christian growth: ever seeing more and more clearly that Jesus paid the full price for our salvation; ever depending more and more upon His work, and His work alone.

Thank you for verbalizing so clearly what I was having a difficult time in communicating!

Grace and peace,
Patti
Graceambassador
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cindy and Patti:

Do we need more exchanges as yours above or what?
I say we do more than we need bread today!

I've been preaching Grace-Plus-Nothing for about 9 years now. And GUESS WHO NEEDED THE MESSAGE CONTAINED IN YOUR POSTS TODAY?

Well, one more case of "the preacher who needs his own message" department!

Seriously, thank you for reminding me that I cannot be better because it is an established fact that in me "dwells no good thing", perhaps in me "dwells GOO things". I have to depend on what Jesus did, does and keeps on doing on my behalf EVERY SECOND OF MY LIFE. I have to accept the fact that is WHAT HE DID for me that counts, and not WHAT I COULD DO FOR HIM IN MY OWN STRENGTH.

Well, as I said, I needed to read your posts today and I thank God for leading me to them!

Sincerely!!
Grace Ambassador
Max
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 10:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Second thought for today: THE WORDS OF
JESUS OF NAZARETH

21 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,'
will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord,
did we not prophesy in your name, and in your
name drive out demons and perform many
miracles?'
23 Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew
you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these
words of mine and puts them into practice is
like a wise man who built his house on the
rock.
25 The rain came down, the streams rose,
and the winds blew and beat against that
house; yet it did not fall, because it had its
foundation on the rock.
26 But everyone who hears these words of
mine and does not put them into practice is
like a foolish man who built his house on
sand.
27 The rain came down, the streams rose,
and the winds blew and beat against that
house, and it fell with a great crash."
28 When Jesus had finished saying these
things, the crowds were amazed at his
teaching,
29 because he taught as one who had
authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

--Matthew 7 NIV
Max
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 10:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Third thought for today: THE WORDS OF SAUL
BECOME PAUL

14 The entire law is summed up in a single
command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
15 If you keep on biting and devouring each
other, watch out or you will be destroyed by
each other.
16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not
gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
17 For the sinful nature desires what is
contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is
contrary to the sinful nature. They are in
conflict with each other, so that you do not do
what you want.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not
under law.
19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious:
sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord,
jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition,
dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the
like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who
live like this will not inherit the kingdom of
God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such
things there is no law.
24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have
crucified the sinful nature with its passions
and desires.
25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in
step with the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking
and envying each other.

NIV Galatians 5
Max
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 10:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fourth thought for today: MORE WORDS
FROM PAUL

8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot
please God.
9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful
nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives
in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit
of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead
because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because
of righteousness.
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus
from the dead is living in you, he who raised
Christ from the dead will also give life to your
mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in
you.
12 Therefore, brothers, we have an
obligation--but it is not to the sinful nature, to
live according to it.
13 For if you live according to the sinful nature,
you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death
the misdeeds of the body, you will live,
14 because those who are led by the Spirit of
God are sons of God.

--NIV Romans 8
Max
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 11:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fifth thought for today: THE WORDS OF
JAMES MARTYR

1 My brothers, as believers in our glorious
Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism.
2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting
wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a
poor man in shabby clothes also comes in.
3 If you show special attention to the man
wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good
seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You
stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet,"
4 have you not discriminated among
yourselves and become judges with evil
thoughts?
5 Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God
chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the
world to be rich in faith and to inherit the
kingdom he promised those who love him?
6 But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the
rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the
ones who are dragging you into court?
7 Are they not the ones who are slandering the
noble name of him to whom you belong?
8 If you really keep the royal law found in
Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"
you are doing right.
9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are
convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet
stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking
all of it.
11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"
also said, "Do not murder." If you do not
commit adultery but do commit murder, you
have become a lawbreaker.
12 Speak and act as those who are going to
be judged by the law that gives freedom,
13 because judgment without mercy will be
shown to anyone who has not been merciful.
Mercy triumphs over judgment!
14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man
claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can
such faith save him?
15 Suppose a brother or sister is without
clothes and daily food.
16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you
well; keep warm and well fed," but does
nothing about his physical needs, what good
is it?
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not
accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I
have deeds." Show me your faith without
deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I
do.
19 You believe that there is one God. Good!
Even the demons believe that--and shudder.
20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that
faith without deeds is useless ?
21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered
righteous for what he did when he offered his
son Isaac on the altar?
22 You see that his faith and his actions were
working together, and his faith was made
complete by what he did.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says,
"Abraham believed God, and it was credited to
him as righteousness," and he was called
God's friend.
24 You see that a person is justified by what
he does and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the
prostitute considered righteous for what she
did when she gave lodging to the spies and
sent them off in a different direction?
26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so
faith without deeds is dead.

--NIV James 2, AD 50s
Patti
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 11:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

GA!!!!

It is SOOOO good to see you!
Welcome back!

Patti
Max
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sixth thought for today: STILL MORE WORDS
OF PAUL

1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers
and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to
do whatever is good,
2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and
considerate, and to show true humility toward
all men.
3 At one time we too were foolish,
disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all
kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in
malice and envy, being hated and hating one
another.
4 But when the kindness and love of God our
Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous
things we had done, but because of his
mercy. He saved us through the washing of
rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously
through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that, having been justified by his grace,
we might become heirs having the hope of
eternal life.
8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you
to stress these things, so that those who have
trusted in God may be careful to devote
themselves to doing what is good. These
things are excellent and profitable for
everyone.
9 But avoid foolish controversies and
genealogies and arguments and quarrels
about the law, because these are unprofitable
and useless.
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then
warn him a second time. After that, have
nothing to do with him.
11 You may be sure that such a man is
warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

Titus 3 NIV, AD 64
Max
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seventh thought for today:

The Christ within IS the historical Christ in the
Person of the Holy Spirit or Comforter or the
"Christ in you" of the New Testament (NT).

For the Three Persons of the Trinity IS
(singular-of-divinity verb tense) One, not the
heretical OFTA Committee. The NT Christ-in-
you usage is just one more proof that "God is
One," not " God is an OFTA Committee."

Here's how the exchange took place:

5 "Now I [Son God] am going to him [Father
God] who sent me, yet none of you asks me,
`Where are you going?'
6 Because I have said these things, you are
filled with grief.
7 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I
am going away. Unless I go away, the
Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will
send him to you.
8 When he [Spirit God] comes, he will convict
the world of guilt in regard to sin and
righteousness and judgment:
9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe
in me;
10 in regard to righteousness, because I am
going to the Father, where you can see me no
longer;
11 and in regard to judgment, because the
prince of this world now stands condemned.
12 "I have much more to say to you, more than
you can now bear.
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he
will guide you into all truth. He will not speak
on his own; he will speak only what he hears,
and he will tell you what is yet to come.
14 He will bring glory to me by taking from
what is mine and making it known to you.
15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That
is why I said the Spirit will take from what is
mine and make it known to you.
16 "In a little while you will see me no more,
and then after a little while you will see me."

NIV John 16
Allenette
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like I said,,, MAX, your leaving is taking a L O N G L O N G L O NG time....you missed ever seeing JAmes Brown???????? Well, I bet there are a whole lot of SDA's former or current, who would fit that description, since he's VERY VERY black and very very expressive!!! Maybe there is ONE PERSON on here who is familiar with him...DO I HAVE TO SPELL HER NAME??? (not gonna do it)

Personally I think that this website wasnt that far from any other place of interest...it had/maybe still has....its "superstars" and if you can bend their ears,,,, well...when someone shows you some attention..........W O W......just an insert. Back into the same woodwork that "MAX" is a-goin....ta ta will Max who is disappearing, reappear??? ;-)
Max
Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 2:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Different woodwork maybe? Naughty pine?

James Brown, isn't he like the rhythm-n-
bluesy godfather of soul or something?

Like, "Whoa-oa-oa! I feel good! I knew that I
would, now. I feel good! I knew that I would,
now. So good, so good, I got you! Whoa! I feel
nice, like sugar and spice. I feel nice . . . . ."

I've heard that song on the radio so many
times I've about got it memorized. But I've
never seen him in concert. Seems like he did
music for a couple of movies. That's about all I
know.

Allenette, you're a kick.
Denisegilmore
Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 2:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, GET DOWN MAX!! What it is?!

You go on a singin them there tunes, soul brutha...:)

I'll teach ya the dance that goes with it!

I couldn't help myself but say that.

Allenette, you are a kick, glad you come out of your woodwork once in a while. You have a great mind.

God Bless you both!
your soul sista, DtB
Max
Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 7:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul: Now that you are ALREADY SINLESS in
Christ, BE TRANSFORMED by faith while you
are BEING TRANSFORMED by faith!

Be transformed . . . .

1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of
God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living
sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is
your spiritual act of worship.
2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of
this world, but BE TRANSFORMED by the
renewing of your mind. Then you will be able
to test and approve what God's will is--his
good, pleasing and perfect will.
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one
of you: Do not think of yourself more highly
than you ought, but rather think of yourself with
sober judgment, in accordance with the
measure of faith God has given you.

Paul, NIV Romans 12, AD 57


. . . . while you are being transformed:

18 And WE, who with unveiled faces all reflect
the Lord's glory, ARE BEING TRANSFORMED
into his likeness with ever-increasing glory,
which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Paul, NIV 2 Corinthians 3:18, AD 55

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