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Colleentinker (Colleentinker)
| | Posted on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 2:41 pm: |     |
Pheeki, how does your husband feel about the drums going? I seem to remember that he's involved in the music ministry. Is he OK about that, or not?
Do you have a church you're attending on Sunday?
I still pray for you and your husband!
Colleen |
Pheeki (Pheeki)
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:49 am: | |
He is upset about the drums going but says if he stops playing, the music minister loses, not the congregation. The music minister is under a lot of criticism from the old guard.
So, I don't know but I don't want to go there anymore. I still haven't gone to any other church.
Thanks for your prayers. He is really disgusted with the hierarachy of that church. He is seeing what a pit of vipers they are. |
Colleentinker (Colleentinker)
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 1:08 pm: | |
Praise God, Pheeki, that he is beginning to see that something is wrong. I'll keep praying for him and for you.
Colleen |
Susan_2 (Susan_2)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:06 am: | |
Have you folks read the latest edition of the Review? It came out last week. I am referring to the world edition. There is a long article in there about the worldwide sda church, it's sistical make-up. It is very interesting. All about how flexable the sda denomination is. It also says that over one million sda's are illiterate. I'd like some comment and discussion about this article. |
Jerry (Jerry)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 7:23 pm: | |
I have not seen that issue yet.
However, I do have a comment about the "1 million illiterate." Given the third world orientation of the current membership initiative from the General Conference, it makes sense that it should be true.
I find it sad and interesting that this population is the fertile ground for recruitment. It speaks of exploitation of weakness.
Unfortunately, they can expect much success with this strategy. The harm they do will be lasting and tenacious.
When I looked online, I could not see the article, but I did read one about interpreting Revelations, about which I have much to say later. |
Pheeki (Pheeki)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 1:15 pm: | |
You need to check out this website. very interesting reading.
http://www.meatindueseason.org/newbold/or/harlot/harlottoc.html
So far this guy has some good points. I am always wary of people proclaiming stuff and try to stick to the Bible only, but I agree with some of what he is saying...especially chapters 3 and 15. I am interested to get your opinions. |
Chris (Chris)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 1:56 pm: | |
In regards to chapter 3, it is true that what we see externally as "the Church", what we often call "the Church", is different than what Christ sees as His church. But then, this is not a new revelation. Believers have understood this almost as long as there has been a church and have long spoken of the visible and invisible church. These designations acknowledge the existence of tares along with the wheat and further acknowledge that only God truly knows the difference. Having said this, I become somewhat uncomfortable when any person seems intent on discounting and even demeaning church history, its creeds, and the great thinkers who have grappled with difficult theological and ecclesiastical issues over time. I do not mean to suggest that any of these things are infallible or rise to the level of authority that we accord the Bible. May it never be! On the other hand, if we fail to learn from those who have gone before, if we eschew all history and precedence we open ourselves wide to subjectivism and great error. Those of us on this group have come out of an organization that prided itself on its heterodoxy; itís disdain for classic creeds, and all tradition. Itís easy to see where this type of arrogance led. Without a doubt we must be led by the Holy Spirit and be surrendered to His will in all that we do, in all that the church does, but we impoverish ourselves when we ignore all that has gone before and reject all past teaching. My final comment on this chapter is that it seems to consider structure and organization to be anathema. One need only read the book of Acts to see that the apostles almost immediately began to develop structure and ecclesiastic authority and discipline. There was a reason for this. While the mature wheat may have been completely capable of being led by the Spirit alone, the young shoots needed careful cultivation, and of course the damage that tares do had to be mitigated. It is no different today.
Chris Lee
Lincoln, NE |
Madelia (Madelia)
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 3:33 am: | |
Yes, I've read the Review article. It shows that 34% of Adventists live in Africa. The author also talks about visiting churches around the world and in some churches they play soccer on the Sabbath! |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 6:27 pm: | |
As I read all these posts I can see that when people do not know Jesus, and Jesus is the gospel, they are going to go all over the place.
They have no stability in their beliefs if they do not have Jesus. So to find that stability they go from one extreme to the other. And they still do not have it. Until they put Jesus in the center of their lives as their Lord and Master they will slide all over the road. What a sad condition they are in. How unhappy they must be and they do not even realize it.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Diana |
Sharon2
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| | Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 8:35 am: | |
As I read and post on this site, I see a lot written about freedom from legalism. The Lord got me to thinking about how He views what we call legalism. The first thing he reminded me of was that He looks on the heart and He honors those who serve Him with a heart that is completely surrendered to Him.
The prophet Daniel was a legalist. He and his friends made a scene. They wouldnít eat the kingís food. The rest of the captive Hebrews ate it. He was praying at his window 3 times a day. That was a Jewish tradition and he was not going to bend. In his legalism, he had a pure heart that was devoted to God. It is recorded that the prayers of this man were important to God!
On the other hand, David, a man after Godís heart, was considerably more pragmatic. If he needed food, the showbread that only the priests were to eat, would take care of his hunger. The Bible does not record that he guarded the edges of the Sabbath, or worried very much about dietary laws while he was running from Saul. A few times the Lord reined him in and let him know that he needed to pay more attention to the regulations that were given to Mosesólike when he tried to move the ark on an ox cart.
All of us who have had a lot of exposure to Adventism have been hurt by legalism that was not rooted in love for God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Actually, it was twisted and demonic. Now that we understand what God the Father did for us in sending His Son, Jesus, we are free from that kind of legalism.
But, what have we been freed to do? We have been freed to worship God from our hearts. We have been freed to allow Him to write His laws on our hearts. It will not look the same for every person. Sometimes it may look like the old legalism. Sometimes it may look like freedom has been taken too far! It really doesnít matter what it looks like in human terms, as long as it comes from a heart that puts God above all else.
God has a calling on each life that requires different people to fit into different societies. He will write on their hearts the rules for living that out in such a way that they can impact that society for Him.
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Lydell
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| | Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 11:05 am: | |
Actually Sharon, I believe the definition of "legalism" that we use here at the former adventist forum is "salvation + these things you also must do to be considered righteous or accepted by God". |
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