| Author | Message | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
Melissa, I don't know about nowadays but back in my youth we all assumed the purpose of campmeeting was so the girls could loose their virginity on holy ground. | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
Really though, I generally attended the Soquel, Ca. Campmeeting. When I was very young there still was a campmeeting in Lynwood, Ca. The Souqel campmeting gets very populated. Even now I understand there generally are 10,000-11.000 SDA's who decend on the grounds over Saturdays. I always thought it was really crummy of Santa Cruz County that they always put more and more regulations on what the Adventists can and can't do on their own property. Once while I was at campmeeting I was listenimg to a local call-in radio program and it was all non-SDA's from the commumity calling in about how much they hated the 10 days every summer when the Adventists invaded their community. Seems mostly their hostility towards the SDA's was that they clogged up the roads with their RV's, etc. and generally did not spend any money locally to add tax revenue to the county coffers. I just thought those non-SDA's should shut up, the roads are for everyone and campmeetings purpose is not to spend money on wordly amuzements, resturants, entertainment, etc., the purpose is annual indroction to keep the faithful faithful for another year until the next campmeeting when the faithful can get all pumped about being SDA once agan and thus the cycle just goes on and on year after year. It did always seem odd to me that on Saturdays long before sundown the line would start getting long for buying food at the snack bar and the grocery store and the bookstore because it was still Sabbath and still daytime. I LOVE vegecorndogs. The only place I can get them now is eithor make them at home or if I go to the malll they sell vegecorndogs at Hot Dog On A Stick. I LOVE vegecorndogs! YUMM, YUMM, YUMM! Mostly though I didn't much like campmeeting. I did like the nice coastal cool weather at Soquel because I was from the Fresno area and it is always over 100 degrees fairenheit on summer days there so just getting away to some cool weather was nice. I remember numerous times listening to Alice Princess speek and once even listening to a real canabal talk about how the SDA missionaries conviened him to not eat people anymore. I still think that is cool that he gave up people eating | ||
| Terryk (Terryk) |
Have you ever heard of morningstar products. They sell a pretty good veggiecorn dog. | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
Yes, they taste very good. I was told by the girl at Hot Dog on a Stick that Morningstar Farms is the brand they use. | ||
| Terryk (Terryk) |
They sell them here in Giant and Safeway so they are easy to get. Are you able to buy thm like that? | ||
| Madelia (Madelia) |
We get Morningstar products here in Minnesota. I like the corndogs and there is a basil and tomato vegeburger that I like also. My husband sometimes gets freaked out if I buy too many of the vegeburgers or the corndogs, because then it's too much like real meat and then the kids are going to want the real things. He's on this kick right now with the "Eden" diet: nuts and fruits and vegetables. But then if the kids eat what he thinks is too much fruit, that's whetting their appetites for sweets. Good grief!! | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
OH MY!!! So, are they healthy? I was always sick when we were vegetarians. | ||
| Madelia (Madelia) |
Yes, thank God, they are healthy! However, when just the 3 of use are out, we do frequent McDonald's and they have a Happy Meal (a bun with just cheese) and the fries. One time when we were at my parents (who are not SDA) my son ate a piece of ham (no lightning bolts struck us). My husband wasn't along, but it was one of those times when he decided to quiz my daughter about what kind of food was served and found out Adam ate PORK! My husband thinks he's so healthy because he doesn't eat meat or even fish (when we were first married he'd eat turkey and salmon). But he still has high blood pressure and won't take medication. There must be something in EGW's writings about mistrusting medication?? And another thing that I think is so contradictory about SDA's is that they'll shun meat at potlucks, but there's plenty of chocolate desserts and hot chocolate seems to be OK, but not coffee | ||
| Doc (Doc) |
Could someone tell this never-SDA what a potluck is please? It has been mentioned a few times and I am just curious. Thanks Adrian | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Adrian, potlucks are meals where everyone brings a dish. There's no particular menu, but everyone brings something they particularly like. They used to be (and in some places still are) very common after SDA church services which get out right at lunch time. When I taught at Gen State Academy, there were certain places we loved to go on music tours because they had exceptional potlucks. Communities with people from German stock often had wonderful food rich in cheese, cream, etc. (Go figure; you can't eat pork, you shouldn't eat any meat, but cheese and sweets and ice cream were staples. The cheese and dairy products probably were much worse for us than poultry or fish ever would have been.) Today there is a move among observant Adventists toward completely vegan diets--no doubt thanks to the influence of places such as Wiemar Institute and Yuchi Pines, independent Adventist health conditioning centers which specialize in treating heart disease and diabetes through diet, exercise, and fresh air. (The current popular warnings against animal fat as a factor in heart disease haven't hurt, either!) Potlucks, though, were wonderful; we could choose from among more entrees, salads, and desserts than we could possibly have sampled! But guess what? I don't miss them at all! It's so wonderful to have unity in the Spirit and to share Jesus with the people at church--the potlucks (which, incidentally, provided "fellowship" as well as a big meal no one had to prepare singlehandedly--and which also prevented anyone from being tempted to eat out on Sabbath) were the main attraction. In fact, at some churches, you could smell the potluck food heating in the kitchen downstairs as the seemingly interminable sermon droned on! Praise God for true fellowship! Colleen | ||
| Doc (Doc) |
Thanks Colleen, It sounds like a pretty good idea! Actually, my church has decided that tomorrow we will all get together and cook a big pot of food in someone's garden, and have fellowship all afternoon before the service at 4. We don't do it often, but is a great time, and the temperature is back up to around 30C at the moment - a last blast of summer. Thanks for the information, Adrian | ||
| Melissa (Melissa) |
I was looking at some vegetarian literature on the internet because of something B had said and I was surprised to run across some pretty harsh warnings to vegans...particularly pregnant or nursing vegans. These were IN vegetarian magazines, so they were overall promoting the lifestyle. Anyway, they were pointing out that some vegans will not even take vitamins because some are manufactured with animal products. One particular vitamin is B12. The magazine warned that an absence of B12 caused retardation in children. Even mothers who had taken prenatal vitamins while pregnant, then stopped while nursing... Though the children were born "normal" they showed forms of retardation. Even if B12 was added in the diet a few months down the road, the damage was done with only moderate improvements. It was a very frightening article, but I found credibility in it because the information was actually posted in several vegatarian websites searching under pregnancy and B12. This one article said that many a person had tried to prove the information was wrong to have horrible consequences for their child. They warned vegans NOT to risk it for their child. If God really intended people to eat NO animal products, how do they explain that? It is my understanding B12 is ONLY produced in animals. While it is present in some seaweed, it is not digestible to humans. Anyway, it was interesting information. | ||
| Doc (Doc) |
I did my PhD on vitamin B12 model compounds, though I did not use the actual original in my experiments. As far as I knew too, it is only available from animal products. Deficiency causes pernicious anaemia, and sufferers used to be given raw liver to eat (yeuch) as that is where it is particularly concentrated. My father had the disease, but it was caused by lack of an enzyme, and he was given injections for it :-) It is not a good idea to avoid animal products completely though. Adrian | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Okay, I thought everyone in the country had potlucks. It definitely isn't just an SDA thing! Maybe it's more a southern thing? Interesting thing about those potlucks. I always felt like you were under a microscope to make sure you weren't eating too much of the wrong thing. I know the pastors wife once got chewed out because her 2 year old son was eating jello with a fork....gasp! By the way, at the "white" church we attended, the food was definitely vegetarian (mind you, I think there were only 5 people in the whole church who actually WERE vegetarian....the rest just talked it up while eating other stuff at home). However, at the "black" church in the next town, meat was always part of the potluck...the church even provided it sometimes. | ||
| Dennis (Dennis) |
Doc, It is interesting that you did your doctoral dissertation on Vitamin B-12. One of my clients is a researcher at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln; her research has largely focused on B-12. She has received several awards for scientific research in this important area. By the way, when my wife was pregnant with our third child, she awoke one morning with a facial paralysis--pulled to one side like she had a stroke. The doctor diagnosed her condition as Bell's palsy. He immediately gave her Vitamin B-12 injections plus some facial exercises to do. In about two to three weeks, she was fully recovered. We were devout lacto-ovo vegetarians at that time. Apparently, with the added nutritional needs of pregnancy, her Vitamin B-12 reserves were depleted. Our unnecessary encounter with Bell's palsy is just another example of the abuse Adventism has imposed upon us. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
Now this is no coincidence that right when I'm told I'm Folate/B12 deficient with very high homocystiene levels, here are these posts. It's also prominent in Parkinson's Disease I found out.  One exception with me though, I'm NOT vegetarian. Infact, a meal isn't a meal without meat in my opinion. So I'm looking at all the different possibilites. Mal-absorbtion/metabolic problem perhaps? But RAW liver?!?!? Yuck! Now, I do love cooked liver. Dennis, my neighbor across the hallway from me has Bell's palsy. I'll have to let her know about this as she is a vegetarian. Infact this apartment building is full of vegetarians! Thanks and God Bless, Denise Gilmore | ||
| Denisegilmore (Denisegilmore) |
".....shocked she was that the people there were "n------". I kid you not!" Ummmmm, I'm just guessing Lydell :::chuckle::: you mean........nosey? Am I close? just joking of course, but I've seen the same thing in some of the churches here and NOT just SDA.....sad huh? Good to see you, by the way. And yes, the potluck thing is a southern thing because here in California it's restaurants or no contact. Trust me on this. At least this is my experience of many years thus far. Not anything you would enjoy. People up here are pretty 'stuffy.' And VERY afraid of actually getting to know one another.....true story. Sad huh? I don't like it. Will you come and take me to your state so I can be around people that are just down to earth people? PLEEEEZE! And real quickly before I go nuts here!! Oh, I don't like California at all, guess you've guessed that by now. I miss being around your type of environment very much. Loving you still, in Christ Jesus. Your sister, Denise | ||
| Terryk (Terryk) |
Doc the thing about potlucks at SDA church is no one really ever knew what they were eatting. You would always be saying what is that or what is that. I used to think some people just threw stuff in a pot and said those SDA's will eat anything. Cornflake roast,peacan roast,oatmeal burgers. It is a whole other world. You have to be in it to understand it. Msny people would be preparing the dinner while church was going on and miss the sermon. Yes you could smell it cooking the whole time during the sermon and people wanted to get right out to eat. My mother inlaw used to laugh at things I would make she was not from SDA background at all and I guess it did sound crazy. Well there was also this woman who would make brownie and cookies etc. but hide them so she would take them back home. Oh what great christian examples we had at church. | ||
| Doc (Doc) |
Well, I am British and live in Hungary, and I don't think potluck is common in churches in either place. We did have a great time of fellowship today though. We spent the day together, had potato paprikash (it has meat in it too!), cooked over an open fire, and the weather was really warm. The church service afterwards was really great too. Denise, I know what you mean. I can't cope with not getting to know people, I am just the opposite. Still, people in a village in Hungary cannot really be described as stuffy. I havn't seen you around for a while, by the way. Nice to see you post again, and nice to meet you. I have enjoyed your comments on some of the old threads. I am fairly new around here. God bless, Adrian | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Now I feel really sad for all of you that don't get to go to potlucks. They are great. It's always fun to sample what folks bring. I do remember this one potluck tho at the SDA church. There was a homeless lady that would show up occassionally. She once brought a contribution to the dinner.....a cake....with rather green and fuzzy frosting. ew... Hi Denise....good to see you. |
