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Barbsigirl
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Username: Barbsigirl
Post Number: 15
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 12:26 pm: |     |
Kathie Lee Gifford was married to an SDA the first time. I read her book a long time ago. The marriage fell apart. She didn't elaborate. But one thing I remember was that he was a singer too and she was going to perform at an adventist church. They put up posters of her picture to advertise for the concert, and put TAPE over her earrings on the poster!!!! |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 593
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 1:09 pm: | |
I sometimes go to www.watchthetower.com which is a former JW website. It is very interesting. Over there they are discussing famous JW's. Apparently the tennis queens, the Williams sisters are JW's in good standing. Go figure! No regular run of the mill JW would get a pass on acting like they do with wearing such skimpy clothes, etc. Over on that website the general opinion seems to be it's the money. Also, there are some SDA's who are trying to convince the former JW's to now come to the real truth, the SDA. The former JW's don't seem to be going for it. Thank God for that! |
Gatororeo7
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Username: Gatororeo7
Post Number: 141
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 11:15 am: | |
Connie,
The newslady youre talking about i think is Joan Lunden, former host of Good Morning America. |
Sabra
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Username: Sabra
Post Number: 97
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 6:58 pm: | |
Anybody see Dr. Phil today?
Some couple was on there, the wife upset because her husband always talks on the cell phone to his bible study group and never to her.
Husband was sure to get in there that his bible study is important and that the Sabbath is Friday night to Sat. sundown. Dr. Phil looked at him and during the conversation said. "What bible are you studying man? The one I studied says to love your wife like the church."
Go Dr. Phil (he's my hero) even if he got the quote wrong. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 598
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 9:15 pm: | |
I'll look up Dr. Phil's website. Hopefully todays programs transcripts will be on it. |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 347
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 8:38 am: | |
I saw it when it originally aired and was struck by the guest's comment and dr. phil's response as well. Dr. Phil, I understand, has a southern baptist background, though I would not label him as a Christian (very liberal in some regards), but he has very strong family values that I appreciate. That particular guest went on and on about how important his church activities were and his responsibilities there, in complete disregard for his family and wife. When he said the Sabbath was Friday Sundown to Saturday, I remember thinking ... "SDA advertisement". But the good Dr. didn't miss a blink when asking if he was reading the whole book because he was sure it said something about loving your wife. (paraphrase). They did a follow up program later in the season and I think the guy had calmed down a bit. In light of his whole conversation, didn't the reference make the guest sound clueless? How does keeping a holy day justify ignoring your family? |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 607
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 10:09 am: | |
Until the small Seventh-day Baptist church in my area had to close I attended there nearly every Saturday for nearly six years. It was truly the best day of the week for me because my two youngest children were still quite young and we'd go to church in the morning, then out to lunch and then for the rest of the day we'd run around Santa Barbara just having a good time. Anyway, I'll never forget one sermon the pastor gave. He said growing up as a Seventh-day Baptist kid every Sabbath after church he'd see his mom and his aunts and the other women work so hard getting lunch on the table while the men sat around enjoying a restful Sabbath. Even as a little boy he knew there was something wrong with what he was seeing and at around age ten he decided when he grew up and got married his wife would never have to work on Sabbath. So, after church he takes his family out to lunch at a nice resruant. He went on to say that some Sabbath-keeping churches don't approve of going out to eat on Sabbath because the commandment says "not your maidservrent, not your manservent", etc. But, in his uderstanding that ment if he personally was employing them, which he isn't. They are working for the restruant and his going there isn't causing anyone any more work than they'd be doing anyway. I remember we'd frequently get SDA visitors. I guess they came out of curroisity to check out a different Sabbath keeping church. But, the SDA's never came back a secondtme. It was always different people each time. After the service we'd have a small fellowship lunch and coffee. One fellow wh attended there before he came to church each week would stop at Subway and order ham sandwiches for the fellowship. I heard some SDA's one time say that they couldn't in good conscience come back because the Seventh-day Baptists were too far from the truth because the servd pork at their gatherings and because of their understandig of he state of the dead. Mrs. W. first learned of Saturday observance from a Seventh-day Baptist. And, I just thinking, "What do these Adentists expect? What part of Baptist in the name Seventh-day Baptist don't they understand?" In fact, if that church was still in existance I'd still be attending there because there really was othing about the SDB's that I didn't like or that I disagreed with. Since at that church all our Bible studies were put out by the Lutherans it only ade sense to me after the churc had to cancel for me to go to the Lutheran. After all, in the SDB church I'd been learnng from Lutheran Bible studies for nearly six years. |
Kme
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Post Number: 61
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 12:22 pm: | |
Susan,
Did all of the SDB churches close, or was it just your local one? Do you know if they all use or used Luthern Bible Studies? Just curious.
Kme |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 608
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 4:11 pm: | |
No, it was only the small church that I attended. It had gotten down to only around 15 adults and a few children each week when the minister got the opportunity to pastor a rather large SDB church back east. By and large, I think the SDB's mostly use the Lutheran Bible studies because the studies put out by Concordia Publishing (the Lutheran publishing company) generally are in a workbook form, a question and answer format and each study booklet is about a different topic. In the larger cities the SDB's generally have a listing on the Saturday religion page of the newspapers. There is also a SDB website. I have a friend who attended a SDB church in another state for awhile and didn't like it because apparently at that church the focus was mostly on finding fault with other churches. I have attended several different SDB churches in California and have never observed that. The ones I have attended are truly Baptist in every way only that the meet for their weekly worship service on Saturdays, usually in a Baptist church that holds Sunday services there. In fact, I have met a lot of SDB's that like praising our Lord so much that they attend at the same church building on both Sarturdays and Sundays, thus getting a weekends worth of good Baptist churching. The SDB is a member of the American Baptist Association. They are not part of the Southeran Baptist. My SDA cousin, the lush used to try to convince me to leave the SDB church and go to be SDA because the SDB's are wrong according to her SDA way of thinking on clean vs. unclean meats and the state of the dead. I generally tell her to stop preaching at me about the truth of the SDA church until she gives up her drinking habit. Now, she rags on me about being Luheran so now she adds the keeping the Sabbath line to the meat line and the where are the dead line. She's such a boozer. She teaches Sabbath School to the little toddlers and then goes home on Sabbath after church and hit the bottle. Funny thing is that with us Lutherans hitting he bottle is a good thing because The Good Book says a little wine makes the heart merry and Lutherans like to be a merry, jolly bunch. I only give my cousin a hard time bcause I know the SDA doctrine on alcohol. |
Sabra
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Username: Sabra
Post Number: 102
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 4:57 pm: | |
Alcoholic Sabbath school teacher that wont eat pork.
How's that for a label?
Sorry, it hit me funny. :x |
Sharon2
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Username: Sharon2
Post Number: 32
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 12:21 pm: | |
Susan2,
Your cousin's life must be really miserable. She has to keep her illness (alcholism) a secret. She can not go to her pastor for counseling. She can not seek out a friend in the SDA church for prayer because most SDA's pray a nominal prayer then tell. She can not go to seek outside help because someone might see her and tell. There is no concept of deliverence in Adventism. In all of her social dealings with Adventist she has to be very cautious and constantly on guard, lest she be found out. I imagine that she is in a lot of emotional and spiritual pain, and that she is just ragging on you because she is so demonically trapped by spirits of religion and alcohol. Think of it as demons speaking lies through her, trying to entrap you like she is entrapped. Then pray for her deliverence.
Sharon |
Kme
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 11:01 am: | |
Sharon, I think you are right on.
Kme |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 330
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 12:36 pm: | |
What SDA's will tell you if you do ever confess something like alcohol to them is..."God can take it away. He can make us sinless and perfect in this life." But what happens when He doesn't? SDA's then tell you that you must not believe in the power of God.
The doctrine of perfectionism leads to depression and I think finally drives people from Christ. Just my opinion. Any thoughts? |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 150
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 1:15 pm: | |
When I discovered I had an eating disorder and joined a 12 step program, I was not going to the SDA church on a regular basis. I visited one church one sabbath and I saw they had some kind of weight loss group. So I found out who the person was leading it and called her. I told her my experience and that I was in a 12 step group. She asked me to speak to a group of interested people (those who wanted to lose weight). Their medical consultant was there also. He was an SDA MD. The group was made up of SDAs.
I told about my history as a eating disorder and the 12 step program and what it had done for me. As I remember all I got was negative comments from him with an arrogant attitude.
I left them a list of where the meetings were and my phone number, if anyone was interested.
None of those folks ever came to check out the program and no one ever called me. It was as if, as an SDA, they did not need outside help.
I guess I can understand that to a certain degree as my Mom used to tell us not to tell anyone else our problems, just take them to God. She was a very unhappy person all her life, even on her death bed.
Mom was a convert from Catholicism to Adventism.
I always was under the impression that my Mom thought she was perfect and I, as her daughter, knew she was not. Now I know where she learned it. For some reason, I did not. Thank God I did not think I was perfect.
It appears to me that SDAs cannot admit when they have a problem, especially a serious one, like my Mom had. They cannot seek help outside the SDA church and sometimes cannot seek any help. Like I have said before, that is a very sad condition.
I want to add a happy note. Since I have decided to be baptized and my small group, with whom I study, have been praying for me, my eating disorder has not given me as much problem as it did before.
God ia an awesome God.
Diana
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Flyinglady
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Post Number: 151
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 1:44 pm: | |
Pheeki,
I agree with you that perfectionism leads to depression. I have seen it in my family, my Mom and an older sister. I always thought that it was because they could not/would not talk about what was bothering them with a professional.
I was away at college when this was happening, so I only saw glimpses the few times I was home.
Now I understand better why.
As an SDA we are told to admit we are sinners, according to the Bible. Then we are told we have to be perfect and not sin, so Jesus can take us to heaven. That is crazy making!! I never did understand that.
I know now that if my Mom had done something to help my sister, she would have had to face her own "demons" and for some reason she could/would not. My sister still has problems.
Thank God he started easing me out of adventism more than 20 years ago, when my husband and I divorced. And all that time, until just recently, I thought I was leaving God. In reality He was taking me out of something that could hurt me and my son.
It is so good to know that and I do have to say thank you God. Thank You, than you, thank you.
You are truly wonderful and awesome.
Diana
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