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| Debbie Registered user Username: Debbie Post Number: 41 Registered: 7-2000 |
I was doing research to "catch up" on the history behind the SDA pastor who was responsible for the massacre in Rwanda, and I came across the following Adventist website: http:/www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_sda.html Famous Seventh-Day Adventists 1. Ellen White - founder of the Seventh-Day Adventists 2. Joseph Bates - sailor, sea captain, and a co-founder of SDA Church 3. John Kellogg - of Kellogg's breakfast cereal cereal fame 4. Little Richard - pop singer 5. Prince - pop singer * 6. Clifton Davis - actor; star of TV series "That's My Mama" (1984) and "Amen" (1986); star of "The Painting" (2001); also an SDA pastor 7. Harry Anderson - American painter, illustrator. (other source) 8. Ben Carson - accomplished neurosurgeon; first to successfully separate Siamese twins joined at head 9. Jerry Lyle Pettis - (1916-1975) U.S. Representative from California, 1967-1975 (33rd District 1967-1975, 37th District 1975) 10. Roscoe Gardner Bartlett - (1926- ) U.S. Representative from Maryland 6th District, 1993-. 11. Robert Lee 'Bob' Stump - (1927- ). U.S. Representative from Arizona 3rd District, 1977-. 12. Sheila Jackson-Lee - U.S. Representative, Democrat (1999) 13. John Osborne - televangelist 14. William S. Sadler - (1875-1969) prominent physician, surgeon, psychiatrist, professor, and author of 42 books; key Urantia figure 15. David Koresh - former SDA who became Branch Davidian leader 16. George Speight - leader of an indigenous uprising and non-violent coup attempt in Fiji, year 2000 17. Elizaphan Ntakirutimana - SDA pastor accused of leading genocide of Tutsis in Rwanda NOTE: Obviously the actions of Ntakirutimana in Rwanda and Speight in Fiji in no way reflect Adventist teachings, nor do they reflect the outstanding record of good works and community service brought about by the majority of millions of Seventh-day Adventists worldwide. In both of these isolated cases, the Church strongly denounced the actions of the SDA-associated or SDA-raised individuals who acted in flagrant opposition to Church doctrine and culture. ---------------------------------------------- Now, I don't know about you guys, but on first glance I could find at least 4 questionable characters on that list--and I had never even heard of George Speight before! Between Ellen White, Joseph Bates, Prince, David Koresh, George Speight and Elizaphan--that's 6 out 17, a percentage of 35%, or more than 1/3 of questionable characters (even without Prince, who was "converted" it's still 5 out of 17 or 29%!). If I were them, I sure wouldn't be bragging about all the famous people in their church. Especially since so many of those famous people are sooo very INTERESTING!!! Debbie | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 524 Registered: 11-2002 |
There's Desmond Doss and truly he is a wonderful person. In fact, a documentary is now being filmed about his life. I will add though that it is a SDA film producer that is doing the film but I do understand that it will be on PBS and possibly the biography channel as well as some other stations. Also, Colornal Black is the Senate Chaplin in the U.S. Senate. There also once was a congressman from the San Diego area who went to Washington, D.C. to represente the district he was from. I forgot his name. My favorite though are Little Richard and Prince. | ||
| Darrell Registered user Username: Darrell Post Number: 114 Registered: 10-1999 |
I once heard Little Richard speak during the years he was an SDA "evangelist" (probably late 70's or early 80's?). I recall that he shouted a lot, talked about behavior (mostly bad behavior), but did not talk about the gospel. I was left tired and spiritually empty after the meeting. | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 53 Registered: 2-2003 |
Prince has now become a Jehovah's Witness | ||
| Insideoutsider Registered user Username: Insideoutsider Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2002 |
Did the site leave out the Beltway Sniper or the gentleman from Fresno who is being held for killing 9 family members(which includes peculiar relationships)? My husband said that Desmond Doss was truly a hero, but his understanding was that he was no longer SDA. When I was in Academy, our band teacher was sent to San Quentin for crossing state lines with a minor,(a 15 year old girl, who attended the school) and cashing bad checks along the way. He might qualify for the list. I guess I missed whether the people were supposed to be famous or infamous. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 533 Registered: 11-2002 |
For this discussion as long as they have made national news they count. International news even counts more. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 52 Registered: 3-2004 |
I just looked up the site where the list of famous SDAs is. I clicked on the hyperlink for Clifton Davis. On that site it ways he is an ordained minister of the Baptist church. I am wondering if he left the SDA church!! Diana | ||
| Debbie Registered user Username: Debbie Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2000 |
And if he Keeps it up, it won't be Long before Michael Travesser AKA Wayne Bent will be famous as well. (You know the guy who claims to be the second coming of Christ, who's currently residing in New Mexico)? By the way, this was posted elsewhere by Chris, buy I don't think anyone has seen it. Has anyone checked out the latest Branch Davidian website lately? It's pretty scary. It appears that they are ready to reveal a new latter day prophet. Check it out: www.branchdavidian.com and then click on the seven seals link. You're in for quite a surprise, if you aren't already aware of it. This stuff became even more scary to me yesterday when I became aware of the fact that SDAs represent only .66% of the total population of California and not quite 1 million of the population of the entire US! Percentage wise, this speaks volumes.... Debbie | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 539 Registered: 11-2002 |
Is that .66% or .666%??? HA! HA! ROTFL | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'd like to know about Clifton Davis because he is on TBN a lot and INSP and his sermons do not sound SDA and he wears jewelry. Seems gospel-grounded to me. My cousin went to a Prince concert once and she said first thing he said was, "If there are any SDA's here, I know what you stand for and you should leave." This was in the 80's. Crazy list of people for the most part! Little Richie? Who knew?? | ||
| Hoytster Registered user Username: Hoytster Post Number: 79 Registered: 9-2003 |
Prince appears on this list of famous JWs: http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_jw.html | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 547 Registered: 11-2002 |
When I write this I mean it with all respect to the kin of this most infamous person as I understand they are a wonderful family. However, it is my understanding that Jeffrey Dahmer, although never an honest true-blue SDA was greatly influenced and loved by his SDA kin, even having lived with some of his SDA kin as a child. Some of what I just wrote was in the newspaper at the time of the events caused by him that caused so much greif to so many people, including those who loved him, too. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 331 Registered: 7-2003 |
Sabra, with all due respect to your cousin, I have some doubts about that story. This is one of the most used urban legends among SDAs. From generation to generation the singer or group changes, Ozzie Osborne, Blue Osyter Cult, Deep Purple, Prince, and the list goes on, but the story is always the same. I've heard it many times, but never from anyone that directly witnessed it. It was always a close relative or friend or whatever. I guess it's not impossible that it might have happened once somewhere, but please forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical after having heard it repeated in endless variations. Has anyone else ever heard this one? Chris | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 554 Registered: 11-2002 |
Have any of you ever read the book, "Sybil"? It's the true story of an abused little girl named Sybil. Throughout the book it mentions her mothers extreme Sabbath-keeping. I didn't think too much about it because there are other 7th-day observing churches besides the SDA. But, a therapist that I know says Sybil's mother was SDA. If so, well, that sure is too bad that the woman let it get her so mentally ill that she became one of the most infamous child abusers of all time. I say the movie a # of years ago on t.v. It, too mentioned The Sabbath a lot throughout the movie but never did mention the SDA denomination outright, but it was implied. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 242 Registered: 12-2003 |
I've also heard Sybil grew up Adventist. That bit of information, true or not (but quite possibly true), brings me back to what I've said before: an awfully lot of twisted behavior and abuse hides inside many rigid Adventist families. Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 558 Registered: 11-2002 |
I know the book mentions her mothers strict Sabbath-keeping numerous places as the book was required reading for a child abuse class I had at college. Also, the movie brought it up too because I saw the movie and it was mentioned. | ||
| Tealeaves Registered user Username: Tealeaves Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2004 |
I have a friend who grew up SDA. Her parents were SDA teachers. Her mother was extremely strict, extremely critical, and as I found out, abusive, under the guise of Legalistic SDA rigidity. She constantly berated her children telling them that anything bad that happened to them was because they weren't being "good enough". And they better be good, because God was watching for them to slip up, and then even worse might happen. I have never met a more paranoid person than my friend who grew up under this constant barrage of negativity purported in the name of God. All her children and even her husband have a very strange, cowering, nervous attitude around her. And my friend ended up with cutting (self-mutilation) behaviours, an eating disorder etc. In fact, when she slit her wrists a few years ago, her mother came to visit and told her "I am ashamed of you! What am I supposed to tell our friends, that I have a daughter stupid enough to try to kill herself!?" Interesting phenomenon, isn't it? --legalism taken to it's paranoid and cruel extreme... | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 560 Registered: 11-2002 |
I believe to some extent Tealeaves, that the way your friends mother treets her children is not unusual with the more devout SDA's. Me and my children get very intimadated around our SDA kin. The SDA kin are very overpowering and demanding. I will give you an example: We recently ordered pizza. We ordered one pepperoni and one vegetarian thinking then everyone could have what they wanted. The SDA's left because there was pork in the house. My son even had said "So what if there is pork in the house? They don't have to eat it, they don't have to touch it". Yet they will not even be in the same location as the pork. But, they eat at restruants and there is pork at the restruants. In fact, I had an uncle (he was not SDA. He was Church of God(Seventh-day)). He would not eat at restruants because the plates were unclean and the silverware and the cooking utinsils were unclean because they had had pork on them. It seems that when the frist spark of fanaticalism is allowed to sneek in then the person is open to becomming more and more bent. Believe me, I really believe this because I am 53 years old so I've had 53 years of observing my SDA kin get fanatical. And, having gone to SDA schools I've observed it happen to non-kin, also. Well-roundeness takes effort with some SDA's. The church itseld does not lend itself towards being well-rounded. | ||
| Conniegodenick Registered user Username: Conniegodenick Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2004 |
ARt Buchwald was raised with SDA background and the newslady (I forget her name but she has twins at age 50 that a surrogate bore for her) also has SDA background. Just my 2 cents worth | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 563 Registered: 11-2002 |
There's also a judge on one of those court t.v. programs who was raised SDA. I forgot his name but he really gets me and my friend laughing sometimes. On one court case a girl was taking her ex-boyfriend to court because something had gone wrong with her prom and she wanted monatary compensation. The judge told her off. He told her she should be thankful she even got to go to the prom as he was raised SDA and anything fun his family thought was wrong. |
