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Doc
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 2:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So sorry to hear about what happened to you Susan.
Praying for you,
Adrian
Jeannette
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 7:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Susan:
I am praying for you and both your sons. I am so sorry you went through such an experience. I can really empathize with you as my youngest son and my sort of adopted son have been in trouble with the law.
God bless
Jeannette
Flyinglady
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 8:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Susan
I prayed for you and your boys as I read your post. I will continue to pray for them and for you.
I sounds like you have been through a horrendous experience. God will prevail.
Diana
Praisegod
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 11:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Susan, I'm praying for peace over you and your home and your sons. Also that somehow God will turn what was meant for evil into good.

Praise God...
Colleentinker
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 11:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Susan, I am also praying for you and your sons. I'm praying that truth will be known and justice done, and I'm praying that you will have peace and that your sons will come to know Jesus.

I am so sorry.

Colleen
Sabra
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 6:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Praying for you Susan and your family.
Sabra
Susan_2
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 7:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank-you all for your prayers. And, I want you all to know that I keep your prayer requests in my heart always, too. The good news is that we have not heard anymore about this and this all happened yesterday morning. I have decided though to be ever vigilant about not leaving my purse or anything of value of mine where some punk can get it real fast and then run. I now am pretty much convincd that my sone and creep boy had this planned because we lock the front door at night and my front door was ulocked and we heard my son tell his friend to jump off the balcony fast, which the kid did. But, me and my older son got some much needed rest today and things have calmed down and I'm so thankful for that.
Tealeaves
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 8:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Susan
I will be praying for you.
Tealeaves
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 10:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know if I have mentioned this before, btu there is something that is heavy on my heart, so I thought I'd ask for prayer.

God is so good! And he has been blessing us in our lives like I never could have imagined. I am humbly thankful for that every day. But at the same time, my mother's life is falling apart. (She was a "Christian" her whole life, but very judgmental, critical, and unforgiving. She has never, to my knowledge, admitted she has been wrong about anything. She never drank, never smoked, and shunned and talked down about her family who did.) Since her divorce, she shacked up with an unemployed alcoholic. She ended up marrying him. She took up smoking a pipe and drinking to the point where she now drinks quite excessively on a daily basis. She even brought alcohol to our home and would drink about 10 beers a day starting at 10 in the AM! O asked her not to because we didnt want that example for the kids. She called me judgmental and accused me of trying to keep her away from her grandsons. The next time she visited, we didnt see her drink, but found a bunch of empty beer bottles in the garage.(must have been drinking after we went to bed.)
Long story short, i think she is dependent on alcohol. She has shunned everybody in the family but me. I am trying to figure out how to be loving and still set firm boundaries. And whether or not to confront her about not respecting me, (and about the lies she has been telling my sister. She has been trying to split us, telling her that i an maigning my sisters character, which I have not been doing.)

I am confused, frustrated, greatly saddened, and even a little angry about the situation. I am praying to know how to handle it, and haven't heard a clear answer yet. Please pray for me! And any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated,
-tanya-
Flyinglady
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 11:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tanya,
How close are your sister and you? I ask because if you are close maybe you and she can find out where there is a treatment center for alcoholics and ask about an "intervention". That is where the families and loved ones sit down with the alcoholic and tell her how her alcohoism has affected your relationship with her. That is how Betty Ford got into rehab. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.
As an alcoholic, your Mom will not listen to reason, so you have to be firm and stick to what you say. You can tell her that until she gets sober and stays sober for 6 months to a year she cannot come over to your house. Or you can say that the only way she can see her grandchildren is if you meet her at a local park, where alcohol is not allowed, and she can visit the children with you there for a few hours.
Just do not believe her when she tries to make excuses or accuses you of anything or tries to make you the guilty party.
Go to the public library and check out the book Alcolic Anonymous. It is the Bible of the alcoholic anonymous groups. It explains alcoholism and the alcoholics anonymous program very well.
You can also investigate joining Al-Anon, a support group, for families of people who are alcoholic.
I have said that I belong to a 12 step group like alcoholics anonymous (AA).
If you want to write me privately, you can do so at DRL-OTR@juno.com.
I just prayed for you and your Mom. I know you love her very much and do not like to see her like this.
In program we are told that the alcoholic has to hit bottom before they can look up and ask for help.
You are being loving by setting boundaries and telling your Mom you cannot see her until she sobers up. Her alcoholism is her problem. I know how much that kind of thing hurts you and the rest of your family. By setting boundaries you are protecting yourself and your family and making your Mom take responsibility for herself. You are being loving by doing that.
You are not being loving if you let her break your boundaries. As long as she does not have to take responsibility for herself she will continue as she is. DO NOT AIDE AND ABET HER.
I can really understand the confusion, sadness and anger you feel at this time. Tell God all about it, as I am sure you have.
I truly do care for you.
God can take care of you and your Mom and her alcoholism. He is awesome.
Diana




Susan_2
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope you check out Al-Anon. I have heard good thins about it. I understand it is a support group of loved ones of alcoholics. Maybe they can help you to know how to deal with this sorrow you are going through. I hope so.
Debandhenry
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tanya,
I will keep you lifted up in prayer, I know how you feel, my son just got out of jail for his 4th DUI, and it breaks your heart. The advice given by Diana and Susan_2 is correct.

They must hit rock bottom and that is the hardest on the family to watch happen and yet you must not be an enabler to them. That is where Al-Anon comes in to play, you need it honey, to get the human support and they are great.

For me my son has not yet hit rock bottom, he has too many "drinking and smokin buddies" that help him stay in the gutter so to speak. My son is only mad he got caught, most alkies feel this way too if they are caught.

Intervention is really the only way to get through an alkies head that they may be killing themselves and you. My son would not go, I will pray for you that your Mommy will.

This one of the Devils worst Demons and millions are fighting it, you and your family are not alone. If your family came together to join as a team it would take a lot of the stress off you and give you a clearer head and lighter heart. You all must lean on each other and God for strength to get through this each day. Sadly it is a day by day, sometimes hour by hour battle.

We all support you Tanya,
Deb
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 12:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Deb,
God is good and knows how to approach each person mentioned here. I prayed for your son when I read your post.
I have also continued praying for the 2 Kims, the need of the MRI machine, and Susan sons.
I know I have said it before, but I thank God for my 12 step program. It cleared the adventist cobwebs out of my brain, so I could accept the truth of what the Bible says.
God got through to my head to change me and He can do it for all these for whom we are praying.
God is awesome.
Diana
Flyinglady
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 12:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to have the faith of a friend of my brother in Montana. My brother met this man when he lived in Texas. Apparently he was a womanizer, booze runner from wet counties to dry counties. He met a lovely Christian lady and she would not fall for his talk and sleep with him. He used to tell my brother about her and how she kept him in his place. Apparently the girl liked the guy as she kept on seeing him. One day her grandmother noticed how she was feeling and asked her about it. She saw that the girl really liked this man. Her grandmother was a Christian. She told the girl she would like to meet the man and told the girl to invite him to dinner. So the man went to dinner at the grandmother's house. In the course of the evening the Grandmother asked the man if she could pray for him. The man told my brother he could have cared less, so he said okay. Well, the Godly Grandmother put her hand on this man's head and in a clear strong voice said, "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus".
The man fell down and when he finally stood up he was a changed man. His whole attitude toward life changed. There were no more woman, booze running or anything illegal.
My brother worked with him at a VA hospital. He told me the man would go in to talk to the men and would pray for them. One day his supervisor came to him, there were other people around including my brother, and told him he was not to talk about religion any more. The man put his hand on his super's head and said "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus". The super just walked away and never said anything to him again.
I pray for that kind of faith. When I hear of the things happening like on this posting, I want to walk up to each person and tell the Devil, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. Not to glorify myself but to lift Jesus up.
I am telling you this to show that God can work miracles and God can use us. I am sure each of us know that, but I like the story my brother told and wanted to share it.
God is truly awesome.
Diana
Colleentinker
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 12:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm joining Diana in praying for your mom, Tanya, and your son, Deb. It's imperative that you stick to rigid boundaries, Tanya, and get al-anon support.

I'd like to ask for prayer for a person I know (but can't name right now) who just lost his/her job. This person is Adventist, and I'm convinced he/she may have a private drinking/drug problem. The situation is complex and sad, and it's weighing on me right now. I've been praying that God will use this devastation to finally get this person's attention so he/she'll be open to truth and to Jesus' love.

Praise God that He sees what we cannot see and has ways of intervening in our lives that we cannot imagine.

Colleen
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 1:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just caught up on the prayer list. I'm so sorry Susan about you and your sons. I have also had a brief encounter with the justice system involving my son as a juvenile and I would not wish it on my worst enemy. My heart really goes out to you in this situation. I will be praying that you get individuals working on this who are truthful and fair. I will be praying for you.

Tanya, we had a similar situation with a family member and all I know to recommend is an intervention. It was hard to do and there are some hurt feelings still to this day. But it worked and saved the person.

To all of you who are needing prayer, God hears them and answers. I will be praying. Please remember my friend also who is in prison and will be sentenced Monday. Please pray for intervention if he is truly innocent. I really believe he is. Thank you.
Tealeaves
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 1:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you all for your prayers. I think I know that setting hard boundaries with my mother is best, but I dread the firestorm.
It is so hard to wish for someone's happiness and yet see their down fall. Thank you for the prayers!
P.S. Flyinglady - I'll email you privately, thanks,
-tanya
Tealeaves
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Deb and Henry,
I hear you talking about your son and having "too many smoking and drinking buddies". I see your point. The only person my mother really has in her life right now is her alcoholic husband. She says he has "unconditional love" for her, but I think the truth is that he really just doesn't care about anyone or anything. there is a big difference! Anyway, if she faced up to her drinking, she'd be "leaving behind" the only person that she thinks is on her side in this whole world. that has to be hard.

thanks again for the thoughts and prayers. It makes me feel a little better!
-tanya-
Flyinglady
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 5:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Colleen,
I have prayed for your friend and will continue to do so.
Tanya, Kme, Susan and all of you, every time I open this forum I pray for everyone one there.
Diana
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 4:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This group has been such a blessing to me. When pw mentioned having been on mission trips to Haiti, I made a contact on the side. As a result of that PW got us connected with an airline official who is allowing free extra bags past the embargo! Also, PW knew of an online printable coloring book in various languages, including Creole! Awesome as it brings kids to the point of salvation.

I am leaving 4:00 am Monday for Haiti for my first trip there. We will be in a remote, primitive location teaching teachers and ministering the gospel to kids in the school this mission operates as well as evening meetings for the area.

We only have 3 of us going because of special needs to deal with some educational and counseling issues. Of 3 of us going and 2 of our intercessors here in the US, 4 of us have had our cars totalled in the last 3 weeks by "invisible" drivers we never saw coming. The morning my car was totalled the Haitian director of the mission had his car run off the road and wrecked. Talk about "coincidences"? Spiritual warfare is strong heading into the land of voodoo. I solicit many prayers for our trip.

Praise God...

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