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Hrobinsonw
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Username: Hrobinsonw
Post Number: 8
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 2:38 pm: |     |
Barbsigirl, my email address is hrobinsonw@yahoo.com, any information that you can give about EGW and deception, please send it. And for anyone else that is willing to donate information I would greatly appreciate it. She keeps such things from me. Because she says that I am only using it to feed my close minded desires |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 357
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 2:50 pm: | |
Hrobinsonw, you should be able to find a wealth of well researched info at www.ellenwhite.org
Chris |
Thomas1
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Username: Thomas1
Post Number: 120
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 5:16 pm: | |
Hrobinson,
From your messages, I believe you are looking for the magic, silver bullet that will help her see and understand. I am afraid, my friend, that this doesn't exist. Those of us who were raised in the bondage of SDA'ism understand what you can not, because you were not raised with the same mind set and training that she was raised in and with. Your choices are simple. 1. you can listen to the advice and even "warnings" that have been written here, or 2. you can ignore what is said and move ahead in your relationship. If you believe that God has put you with this lady, then understand that it is goig to involve a whole lot of problems and heart ache, for both of you, in the future. No amount of talk or "scripture" will change that because you see the world from two distinctly different perspectives. What she SAYS is, I am sure, very honest, but it doesn't mean the same as what you HEAR, becaue to an Adventis the meanings of religious expressions are not the same as they are to main stream Christians. If you understand this, and choose to move further, then may God bless your union.
You can pray for her. You can live your faith in front of her. But, you are not going to change her. You see, to an Adventist, even one who is on the outer fringe, to change means to loose what ever chance they might have to reach heaven. It is pounded into them from the womb. if her daddy is a pastor, even one who is dissatisfied with his church, you count on that. From what you say, the problems ARE going to happen and they will be very painful for you, for her, and especially for your children.
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My prayers are with you my friend. Your next few weeks and possibly years will be one that will require a close walk with Jesus and a whole lot of guidance from His spirit.
My prayers are with you, Brother
In His Love,
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Thomas
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Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 218
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 10:55 am: | |
Hrobinson,
All you have to do is click on the links on this site to find out what you need to know about SDAs and EGWhite. Please do that for your own sake. We cannot do it for you. All we can do is warn you, pray for you and hold you up to God.
As Thomas said there is no magic silver bullet.
Before you do anything else, go to the links on this site and read them. Have your Bible there to read along with what is written.
God Bless you Friend that you will find what God really wants you to do. That is something I do not know.
With love to God,
Diana |
Cindy
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Username: Cindy
Post Number: 595
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 11:12 am: | |
Hi Grace...you are new here? You had some very good questions to consider in this discussion!
cindy |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 381
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 1:00 pm: | |
Grace, welcome, and thanks for your comments here!
Colleen |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 382
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 1:15 pm: | |
Hrobinsonw, I really do sense that what Thomas has said is true in your case: what Adventists say to you sounds good, but they really don't mean what you HEAR. Yes, your fiancee may respond to truth, but so far the things you've told us do not sound as if she's open. Some of the most heartbreaking stories we've heard were from people who had much more open, willing-sounding conversations before marriage than it sounds you are having with your fiancee.
I just want to make one more observation: pray not only that she will be willing to know the truth, but pray also that God will show you what you need to know about yourself. The fact that she has certain "damsel in distress" features about her might be a yellow flag that there are some things in yourself God wishes to heal. While I don't agree with everything I hear the (in)famous(?) Dr. Laura say, she dos have a comment I'll repeat to you here: If you marry a damsel in distress, you get a distressed damsel.
There are major issues here, I think, besides the Adventism--which can be nearly insurmountable all on its own. Her family sounds truly unhealthy; her father has been living in personal dishonesty and continues to masqueragde as an Adventist minister while desiring (and using, sometimes) drugs, alcohol, and lusting after women quite openly around the family, also discussing whether or not he wants to stay with his wife. Your fiancee has without doubt been deeply marked and hurt by the dishonesty and lack of commitment in her father, and I suspect you don't even know everything that's gone on there.
Your fiancee will not only bring her Adventism into her marriage, she will also bring some deep brokenness and neediness which you will NOT be able to heal or fill, and it sounds as if she does not have a personal relatonship with Jesus which would be a starting point for her in seeking her own healing.
I suggest that you and she seek some Christian counseling before you move ahead with marriage.
With prayers for you,
Colleen |
Cindy
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Username: Cindy
Post Number: 596
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 5:14 pm: | |
Hrobinsonw, Welcome to you, too! Many new names here the past few months; always good to hear the different, yet similar, stories.
Colleen has some very good things to ponder. (I liked that "damsel in distress" explanation!)
I've not dealt with your particular type of situation, but I do know if I did not have a basic underlying spiritual understanding that was in agreement on basic Christianity I would be at a loss in my marriage. We disagree on so many other things! :-)
But my husband (of 30 years!) and I do have a unity on the gospel. I am grateful we do!
Our core belief about Jesus--Jesus as being our "sabbath rest" and completely sufficient for our salvation is one stabilizing force that we can build much on.
In fact, I can't imagine not being able to have long conversations about spiritual matters! Talking together (about our journey in and out of Adventism, various religious views, etc.) is one of the joys of married life. Of course, there are other joys, too!! :-)
grace always,
cindy
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Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 673
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 10:31 pm: | |
I will try to be breif, HRobinsnow. The words SDA's use are the same words that mainstream Christians use. However, these words have a different meaning to SDA's than they do to a Christian who has been taught in mainstream Cristianity. Here are some of the words that will have a different meaning between SDA's and Christians; "grace", "saved", "redemption", "gospel", "law", "gifts of the spirit", "the 2300 evenings and mornings from the book of Daniel", "666", "the beast", "communion", "trinity", "Michael the Archangel", "Jesus", "the Holy Spirit", "wine", "strong drink", I hope by now you are getting what I am trying to say. Ask her if when Jesus preformed His first miracle at the request of his mother at the wedding reception if he wine He zapped up was really wine? Ask her if a person can be so assurred of his own salvation that it is o.k. to say the words, "I am saved"? Ask her if the gifts of the spirit are still for todays Christians, especially the gift of prophecy. And, also the gift of tongues. Can she explain grace? In her explanation of grace does this grace include Catholics? Ask her who the beast of revelation is. In SDA understanding the beast is the Catholic church and by extension all non-Saturday-keeping Christians but this really isn't true because other Sabbath observing Christians are included in their understanding of who the beast is, too. You can pick most any Bibical word or Christian phrase and the SDA's will use exactaly the same words but these words are given a different meaning, will hold a different understanding among the SDA people than they do with other Christians. This is why it is so extremely difficult to have a discussion on any Bibical topic, including and especially Jesus Himself with a SDA. Because the SDA's will say all the things that sound like Christians understand their Christianity but to the SDA's what they say has a different meaning. |
Tealeaves
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Username: Tealeaves
Post Number: 66
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 10:39 pm: | |
Grace,
Hi friend! So nice to see you "made it through" finally!! :o)
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Dd
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Username: Dd
Post Number: 14
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 9:56 am: | |
HRobinsnow -- How are things going? Just checking on you...I'm still praying... |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 242
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 10:07 am: | |
Hrobinsonw, I continue to pray for you and your girlfriend. How is everything going for you?
Diana |
Magpie
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Username: Magpie
Post Number: 8
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 4:46 pm: | |
Hrobinsonw,
I was reading these posts, and I was wondering how things are going with your girl?
You are doing something tht I wish my son had done beore he got married.
Let us know whats happening.
Magpie |
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