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| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 659 Registered: 11-2002 |
EGW says in her book Counsil on Diets and Foods that sugar and milk are not to be consumed together because the stomach acids cause this combination to turn into alcohol. SDA's shun alcohol (except for my Sabbath School teaching lush cousin). I went to a SDA social once at a private home. We were all expected to contribute to the snacks. I brought an ice cream cake. From Baskin Robbins, I think. The young lady whose home the social was at wouldn't serve it because of the alcohol. She made it very clear that ice cream is no better than beer. I told her I had no problem with beer either. She was nice though in that she put the ice cream into her freezer and when I left the social I got to take it home. The really funny thing about this was that several weeks later she brought a Sarah Coventry jewlery book to church and was taking orders. We had to pay when we placed the order. She ended ripping all of us off. I heard later she did this so she could get the money to pay the deposite on a different apartment. No one at the Sabbath School ever heard from her again. I guess she can rip people off but she can't eat ice cream because of the alcohol it causes. Some people totally amaze me! | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2004 |
When I first decided to join the SDA in 1985, the pastor invited me to his house for ice cream. Just how do these guys justify their actions on these topics. I've seen married couples wear wedding rings and yet somehow they could get away with it. The restrictions on the jewelry was really crazy. You could wear a watch (somehow that was exempt) but no necklaces or bracelets. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 206 Registered: 3-2004 |
EGW said no jewelry, so I did not even wear a wedding band when I was married. I did wear an expensive wrist watch from my husband. I have since found out that jewelry is not a salvation issue. As for ice cream, I saw it all the time at SDA functions. How they justify wedding bands and ice cream, I do not know. The way I see it, is that the SDAs do not know the gospel as the Bible teaches it. They only know it as seen through EGW. And it is not about Jesus, his life, death and especially his resurrection. So, that can lead to all kinds of crazy notions. They know the Bible only through EGW. That is very sad. Diana | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2004 |
Another example of following the traditions of man. I can't help but seeing a very strong comparison between the SDA and the Pharisee's when it came to food. They condemed the disciples for picking off grain heads to eat while they were walking because it was a sabbath day. Also, EGW said that wearing jewelry promoted a certain type of pride in people, yet how is it any different than someone wearing a Rolex compared to a Timex? | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 189 Registered: 5-2002 |
I remember in 1987 that an elderly "historic" SDA pastor in Clovis, CA refused to baptize my ex-brother in law on the grounds that he refused to remove his wedding band. "they strain out a gnat while they swallow a camel"... | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 378 Registered: 12-2003 |
I believe it was in the early 80s (1982?) when the church officially "allowed" plain gold wedding bands, but no "rocks". The ban resulted from EGW saying that not one penny should be spent on a circlet of gold for the finger. Of course, the argument was that people were supposed to "act" married, and they wouldn't need one. There are so many questions that arise from this whole situation: If EGW really got her counsels from God, why did the church abandon that wedding ring counsel (when they found they couldn't support it from the Bible)? What in the world does "acting married" mean, exactly? How does "acting married" stop others from glancing at another person's finger to find out whether or not they're spoken for? And what could be a better public way to say "I'm married" than to wear a wedding ring? Without one, it's really a public denial of marriage. It's enough to bring on a headache! Colleen | ||
| Lydell Registered user Username: Lydell Post Number: 623 Registered: 7-2000 |
Hey, here's a tidbit of news for you. One of our SDA pastors told us that the church gave wedding rings to missionaries that were going to certain mission fields because it was the accepted tradition in those cultures. hello! But it's not in the US?! Yeah Colleen, my hubby says he remembers wondering just what it is that people are supposed to think when an SDA married woman, with no wedding ring, is standing in a line at the store with two little kids. hmm... There's a great witness, eh? A friends' pastor told her that wedding rings were wrong because they were a sign that a woman was "sexually experienced". ummmm....and those two little kids wouldn't be a tip off to that? I always cringed when I took the kids to a new doctor for the first time knowing what would inevitably happen. The nurse would ask "are you married". When I answered yes, they would always glance at my empty ring finger and get an expression on their face like, "uh huh, can just guess what is happening in that marriage." Geez I hated that. Anyone else notice it too? | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 668 Registered: 11-2002 |
My young cousin is married to a bonified SDA pastor who pastors a church in Southern California. They just got their degrees from Andrews several years ago. The minister and wife wear weddig rings. The little daughter takes dancing lessons. Even though he is a SDA pastor and she is a pastors wife and they both went from grades Kindergarten through university in SDA schools they don't seem to even have a clue to what their own church teaches. It's like being in outter space to visit them, like they are aliens and don't know their own culture that they are trying to devote their lives to and convert more people to. It's truly really weird. | ||
| Hallanvaara Registered user Username: Hallanvaara Post Number: 49 Registered: 1-2004 |
It would be interesting to ask SDAs that if God comdemns jewelry and all show offs why He instructed jews to build so magnificant temple, why the clothes of the priest were so gorgeus with gold and precious stones, why ancient jews had so much jewelry they could make a golden calf? Why Revelation describes heavens gate made of pearls and itsĄ walls about gemstones? Streets are made of gold and even EGW said we have golden crowns. Something just donĄt fit.... I remember I read some of you said: If God donĄt like jewelry so the heavenly streets would be made of cardboard. ItĄs another thing wholly if jewelry goes over and your mind keeps busy because of it. But itĄs easier to pick gnats and swallow camels, obviously. Tuija | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2004 |
It just goes to show that SDA's have no real ground for these so-called laws that they force on people, be it jewelry, diet or dancing. Even Orthodox Jews know that SDA's don't truly keep the sabbath. There was a certain travel length restriction on a sabbath day, yet how do they justify driving for miles in a car to get to a church building on a Saturday? I remember going to a camp meeting with another member in Orlando and you had to pay a toll, yet you were not supposed to spend money on a Sabbath. Explain that one SDA! | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 377 Registered: 7-2003 |
B said his dad doesn't baptize anyone wearing a wedding ring. The ironic thing is that there are cultures where they don't wear rings, but neck things that are different for married women and in the Corinthian church, the issue of the head covering was it was their married symbol. So, there Paul chastises the women for taking off their "wedding ring". I think it's funny that it's an extravagance to wear jewelry, but they can buy speedboats and fancy campers and that's not. To me, it boils down to EGW's wanting people to send her their money rather than spending it upon themselves. If she knew about speed boats, they'd be forbidden too. | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 56 Registered: 2-2003 |
I remember reading an account of Ellen Whitte's baptism (perhaps it was in Ronald Numbers' Prophetess of Health"). Apparently she was baptized in a Methodist church and another young woman was to be baptized along with her. This other young lady was wearing jewelry and EGW was one to dress simply, without jewelry. This story said that EGW was quite annoyed that this other woman was going to be baptized, wearing all that finery. | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2004 |
Isn't this another case of judging people by mearly outward appearances? If EGW was annoyed about another woman being baptized while wearing jewlery, it's more of a case of jealousy rather than a condemnation from a so-called prophet. | ||
| Cindy Registered user Username: Cindy Post Number: 599 Registered: 7-2000 |
Yes, Pw and others, it does seem like petty jealousy amd a holier-than-thou legalistic attitude based on a false doctrine of how one gains acceptance with God. Could one not just rejoice in anothers' baptism? I've always loved jewelry... In fact, this issue was one of the first "doctrines" many, many years ago that I thought was wrong. Studying the nonsence of traditional Adventist teaching on jewelry led me to all kinds of problems with those ("Amazing") evangelists. Oh, the stories I could tell you! grace always, cindy | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2004 |
It's been awhile, but I think the SDA use the verse in Old Testament where God commanded the Israelites to remove their jewelry before entering the Promised Land to justify their cause. I guess it had something to do with a connection to Egypt and it's pagan practice. But now they use it as a way of judging people who actually wear any type of jewelry, especially women who wear make-up and tie them in with Jezebel. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 680 Registered: 11-2002 |
This is so funny. I truly did totally miss the concepts of most everything SDA growing up. I remember as a child being taught make-up was wrong. Often when I would hear the line about make-up being wrong it would be in he same sermon or conversation as hearing about the Adventist Health Message. So, I put the two together and assumed the church must be anti-make-up because make-up is unealthy. On my own I figured it must be because make-up gets into th skins pores and this must be unhealthy. I would ask and ask my mother how come the SDA women could not wear make-up on their faces but they could dye their hair. She would just tell me that never made any sense to her either and then the conversation would be over. But, recently in a review a lady wrote in and asked if make-up is o.k. My first thought was how sad that she needs guidence on this simple issue. But, we all have different levels of needing assurance so I will accept that she needed this assurance. The person who responded in the Review assured her make-up in moderation is o.k. | ||
| Thomas1 Registered user Username: Thomas1 Post Number: 121 Registered: 4-2002 |
One of my favorite "Steve Brown" stories is of an old preacher who was asked by a woman in his church if wearing make up is a sin. His reply was, "Madam, for some women, NOT wearing make up would be a sin". Tongue in cheek! <><] Thomas | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 390 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ha! I love that story, Thomas! Richard tells the story of his grandfather, a loyal SDA until his death at nearly 101 years of age, who once wrote to the Review and Herald (I believe that was its name at the time) to ask if it was OK for him to make his own rootbeer. He sent in the recipe he had, and it did require some amount of fermenting in the process. Someone from the Review wrote back to him and said it would be OK, so Grandpa continued to make and enjoy it! Somehow that story just makes me both shake my head and laugh! Colleen | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2004 |
If wearing make-up was such a sin according to the SDA, then is using deodorant, cologne, perfume, nail polish, mouth wash and foot powder wrong too? Be ye clean! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 682 Registered: 11-2002 |
When I went to Monterey Bay Academy I worked at the campus laundry. Every Friday afternoon our supervisor would keep us on the payroll and the last 30 minutes of our workshift of the week he'd treat us to an A and W rootbeer float party in the office. I always requested to get to work on Frday afternoons. I loved the people I got to know in the laundry. It was my favorite thing about MBA. Recently the Lutheran church I attend had it's annual wine tasting tour/outing for the congreation. It just struck me when I noticed it was time for this church event in the bulletin that whoa, no wonder my SDA kin think I've gone off the deep end. I mean, a church outing to the wineries! And, how do the SDA's get that the communion wine is grape juice? Where I attend we use Mogan David. |
