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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 448 Registered: 12-2003 |
Bb, your comment about the observant Adventists being the most worthy of respect rings a bell with me. I agree; they at least believe in their beliefs enough to try to DO them! Richard often says he thinks the observant Adventists are probably more open to the gospel because they at least observe and respect their ground of belief, unlike the liberal ones to whom even their own truth is relative. Someone who can rationalize everything is less likely to be convinced by evidence than is someone who believes something sincerely. (Shem, Ham, and Beef, huh? Not bad!) Colleen | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2003 |
I suppose the names of 2 kinds of meat was a bit much for my vegetarian husband to stomach!! | ||
| Thomas1 Registered user Username: Thomas1 Post Number: 125 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ketchup, Ah yes, I remember in Academy, we used to refer to it as "Taste Killer". It got to be so much in use that we referred to it that way in the cafeteria line. Really got a few lectures about how "Heathy" food shouldn't be held in such contempt, and that we should be grateful that we had the guidance of a prophet to help us live a better life. Funny thing is, I STILL refer to it as "Taste Killer". And, the wife's food is very good. I learned to like that stuff in Academy. Of course, the food really REALLY needed a LOT of killin'. Memories .. Some times they are good and then sometimes we remember Academy! <>< Thomas | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2004 |
Is a conservative (observant) or liberal adventist more likely to be open to the Gospel. Maybe that depends on the reason for their "liberal" position. I have been a liberal adventist for years ("have been" instead of "was" since we are still gathering the courage to make it official). That wasn't based on rationalizing truth, but on a growing awareness of areas where the teaching of the church did not correspond to my understanding of Scripture. I was more concerned about what was Biblical than what was approved by the church. Someone placing all of their sincere belief in EGW and traditions might have a harder time accepting the Gospel, IMHO. Perhaps not the best way to jump in with my first post. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 274 Registered: 3-2004 |
Ric_b, Welcome to FAF. It does not matter how you jump in, just jump in. We all have our way of saying things, but we do respect what the other person writes. It is good to see another not quite former who is searching for the real Biblical truth. I, too, was a very liberal SDA to non existent SDA. One things I have learned is how awesome our God is. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 729 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ric_b, Welcome. I look forward to more of your comments. I l-o-v-e vege corndogs. When I go to the mall I get a vege corndog at Hot Dog On A Stick. I love their lime lemonade, too. Do you remember at campmeeting the snack bar was closed on Saturdays but it would open up for business the exact nanosecond of sundown. What I never failed to notice though was that the hungry folks would start lining up for SDA fastfood about 30 minutes before sundown. Isn't there something about guarding the edges of the Sabbath in the Bible? The SDA's at campmeeting sure seemed eager to get Sabbath over with. | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2004 |
I think that the "guarding the edges of the Sabbath" may be another one of those EGW things that has been mistaken for the Bible. Can anyone verify that? I keep coming across more and more cases of this. It is such a sad commentary for that to be a legacy of the church. | ||
| Grace_g Registered user Username: Grace_g Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2004 |
Ah, the good old "guarding the edges of the Sabbath." I remember that, as well as the angels who weep and for you wait outside the doors of the movie theater! | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 140 Registered: 10-2001 |
I was always told that Mustard was bad for your stomach like pepper. I remember my mom really loved black pepper and mustard and she started using red pepper because the church told her that was ok. Once she bought a huge bottle of mustard and when she was putting it away it fell and broke, she said it was a sign from God that she shouldn't have bought it. Oh my. Pickles were bad too, something about the vinegar, oh, and remember Postum? Think I'll go eat some pork skins before bed. LOL | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 277 Registered: 3-2004 |
Sabra, I laughed at your comment about eating pork skins before bed. I am sitting here chuckling to myself. My Mom used pickles and mustard and catsup, so she did not pay attention to what EGW said about those things. Maybe she did not know. But I grew up eating those things. I am so glad salvation does not depend on what we eat or drink as long as we do it in moderation. I am so tired of the burden that created. I never want it back. Oh, that reminds me of something else I read in EGW. We should eat only so many meals per day with nothing in between. I have been told by nutritionists that sometimes it is better to have 5 small meals a day. Maybe I will have that snack before bedtime. Diana | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 141 Registered: 10-2001 |
Well, our hips might not like it, but it's not affecting our spirit, at least it's perfect! I was kidding about the snacking, I've been trying to skip supper all together, seems to work for me. Guess Ellen wouldn't like it, I thought she said only 2 meals per day, oh, and be sure not to drink within 30 mins. of your meal. Puhleeze! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 731 Registered: 11-2002 |
Recently my son treeted the family to pizza. Trying to please everyone he ordered one with olives and some other vegetables and one with Canadian bacon. He had them delivered to my moms house. She is elderly and he wanted to treet his Grandma. Instead he just got old off about briging pork into her house and that the Candadian bacon pizza had better not touch any of her dishes. She had the kids eat it from paper towels. Now the kids say they aren't going to include Grandma anymore when they get pizza. It's just too bad. She doesn't seem to realize that she is the one causing people to exclude her. She is really getting into playing the marter (sp?). Most of her marterdom is directly related to her religious rigidty. My son even said, "But, Grandma, it says right here not to be concerned about what we eat or wear", and he showed her the text. He was told that didn't include pork because pork is a given at being excluded. My kid just kept saying, "But, this is what the Bible says" and he and his old grandma just went round and round and finily they both gave up and ended the conversation, hopefully forever. It was a frustrating experience because usually a family having pizza is a pleasurable occassion. This time it was just frustrating. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2004 |
And I have people in my family that won't even eat the pizza because the renin in the cheese comes from animals, including, possibly, pigs. Besides, doesn't EGW say cheese isn't fit for food? Not that I've seen many potlucks without cheese! | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2004 |
I loved potlucks. When you think about it, what with all the taboos that Adventists have to work around, they have come up with some inventive recipes. The thing my husband noticed was how heavily laden the dessert table always was, and since he had a sweet tooth, knowing that there would always be dessert was what got him to go to church with me. I have a SDA cookbook with some terrific recipes for desserts and breads in it. You are right about the cheese, however. If EGW were aware of that she'd be rolling in her grave! Actually it was A J Kellogg who was the source of all that diet gobble-di-gook, so I guess they are both rotating right now. Cheese and desserts!? | ||
| Cindy Registered user Username: Cindy Post Number: 608 Registered: 7-2000 |
Welcome to all the new FAF friends! It seems there have been 4 or 5 new ones just this week... I have a lot to catch up on by just missing a few days of reading! Ric_b, I agree with you that it all depends on the reason for ones' liberal views (whether it is easier to escape finally from Adventisms' mind control while being "liberal" or very "conservative".) I think many of us here (myself included) tried the liberal way of viewing Adventism, trying to focus on the grace of Christ Jesus and just ignore the aberrant doctrines! For many years my husband and I thought it was possible to reform the legalism from within. But we realized finally that the whole structure and reason for existence (the Sabbath, EGW, 1844) would have to be swallowed up in the belief that JESUS is really ENOUGH! Others here were avid EGW groupies, the "historical" ones, trying to reform the church back to its' original purity...away from it's liberal viewpoints and lifestyle. I praise God! He knows our specific situations intimately and wherever we are spiritually He will guide us to Truth if our desire is to know Jesus more and more. grace alawys, cindy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 279 Registered: 3-2004 |
One cannot eat Mexican food without having cheese on it and it is and has always been my favorite type of food. My Mom made terrific enchiladas and tacos and refried beans. And she used cheese and lots of it. So much for Adventism. As I have said I learned to dance at family functions, ate mustard, ketchup and pickles at home. One thing my Mom did do was make terrific vegetarian enchiladas. When I learned how to do that and fed them to people unawares, they never knew the difference. But aren't we all happy and free that diet is not a salvation issue? God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2001 |
If anyone ever gets a Whoa moment on why the Lev. 11 meats were unclean in the first place, please clue me in. I still don't understand all of the food law reasonings. Some verse in Isaiah talks about the people being cursed for eating the mouse and the swine. I know it was for the Israelites, just not sure why. Noah was told to eat of any meat after the flood, but there was the distinction made between clean and unclean. ?? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2004 |
Dear Sabra, I don't profess to be a professional on this, but I think the reason the unclean meats were unclean was that it was so easy for those animals to carry diseases. Even today we must have refrigeration, and make certain that pork is really cooked well, or we might end up with parasites. The shellfish taboo was based on the fact that the meats break down quickly, and if you don't cook it immediately (or have it on ice) it, too, can be a source of disease. Disease is a curse. I think our good Lord forbade the eating of certain meats because cooking them over an open fire would leave portions undercooked, or something, so it was just better to forbid the consumption of that animal. Does anyone else have a better explanation? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2003 |
I was always taught that certain foods were forbidden for health reasons, but there really doesn't seem to be any real scientific basis for that belief. Further, after the flood God said, "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you." (Genesis 9:3) And again in the NT, God made it clear that we should not call unclean what God has declared to be clean--and he showed Peter the sheet full of unclean animals. The reasons for the prohibitions were to make Israel realize how completely separate they had to be from the other nations. They were not to eat their food, etc. Further, I understand that the pig was considered sacred in many pagans religions, so Israel was never to touch it. God forbade Israel to do a lot of things that involved "mixing"; they were not to weave linen and wool together; they were not to cook milk and beef together, etc. The point of their prohibitions was to physically remind them that they were set apart from the world and were to stay "pure". Welcom, Ric-b! You make a good point about what type of Adventist can hear the gospel; when I referred to liberal Adventists, however, I was not meaning the type who ignored Adventist distinctives but tried to follow the Bible. Those I would probably call evangelical Adventists. By liberal Adventists I had in mind those who, like some I know personally, not only do not take Adventism seriously, but they also do not take Jesus seriously. I know a person who teaches on an SDA faculty of religion who does not believe God gave Ellen her testimonies, but neither does he believe in Jesus. God he will admit to; not Jesus. He most definitely does not believe the Bible is inerrant; he would probably agree more with the Jesus Seminar than with a traditional Christian view of inspiration. And he is far from alone. That's the kind of person I mean when I say "liberal Adventist". Their beliefs are more like "liberal Christianity" than true Christianity, yet they consider themselves "loyal Adventists". Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 735 Registered: 11-2002 |
My mom set me up. When she finily confronted me about attending the local Lutheran church on a weekly basis she set me up. She point blank asked me if when she notices I'm not home on Sunday mornings if I've gone to church. I meekly said, "yes". She then asked me what church I was going to and I told her the local Lutheran church. She then told me that she likes it that I still go with her every week to the SDA, that she appriciates that. Then she said, "So, how come you have never asked me to attend the Lutheran church with you?" She continued with the next sentence in a mocking tone of voice and said, "Do you not invite me to go with you because you are ashamed of something? What are you trying to hide?" I said I was not trying to hide anything and then I said, "Would you like to go with me sometime?" And, guess what I heard?! She said, "No! I won't go with you. I won't go to a church that doesn't teach the Commandments. I won't go to a Lutheran church because they are wrong. But, I do think if you like them so much that by not inviting me to go with you, you must be ashamed of yourself for going to a church you know is wrong." Once again I left her house and came home all upset because I consider those sorts of outbursts verbal and emotional abuse. Awhile back someone broke out the windshield on my car. Just plain and simple vandelism. So I didn't go to church because cannot drive without a windshilld. Someone from the church phoned to tell me I was missed and to ask if I was o.k., etc. I told her about my windshield. Before you can shake a stick the pastor had heard about my windshield and he phoned me to tell me to call around to the glass companies and the church would buy me a new windshield and to tell the glass company to call the church and have the cost put on the church credit card. The first place I called wanted around $1200. The second place wanted $750. The third place wanted around $450. The forth place wanted around $230. So, I went with them. My mom was in the driveway watching the glass company put the windshield in. They did a wonderful job. Then later in the day my mom said how good it was that I had enuf saved up for such an emergency. I told her I had no money, that the windshield was a gift. She asked who would pay for me to get a new windshield. I told her the Lutheran church took it out of the church expenses. She said well, that it was good that if I'm not going to go to a church that teaches the truth anyway that at least I picked a church I can get stuff from. I got visably upset at that comment because honestly, when I started attending there getting stuff out of them was never a motive of mine. I told her I did not ask for help to pay for the window, that I'd just mentioned it to someone and the pastor called and offered it to me. Getting stuff from them was never a motive of mine. I then told her Lutherans are very well known for their generosity and givingness. She asked why this is. I thought at first I'd used the wrong word but then I realized I actually used the right word because it is the word used by Jesus in the Bible. That word is "commandment". I answered my mom like this, "Lutherans take the commandment about loving one another very seriousely and Jesus said "if you do this to the least of these then you have done it to me" so the result is out of their love for Jesus they are a very giving and generous people." She then told me it was good that I'd found a church that at least trys to keep one commandment. Then she started crying and tellng me about how she's never known anyone to be helped by the local SDA church who actually goes to that particular SDA church who is in need. That over the years she has known of needs but the SDA's are too busy giving their "help" through ADRA or Dorcus to people faraway. I didn't know what to say or how to respond so I left and went home. |
