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| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 372 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ok, I spoke to a man who confirmed that he had reviewed the book and that it was going into the Wal-mart stores but he told me he didn't think he was promoting any denomination. He said he would review this information with the publisher. He said it was up to the public to decide to buy it or not on whether they restocked it...but as I recall last year Remnant were urging church members to go buy up all the copies so it looked like a popular book. That seem decietful too. I am just sick in my heart...I have done what I can do... Now I feel it is in God's hands. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 373 Registered: 1-2003 |
If anyone else wants to re-inforce the deceitfulness of this book to the buyers at Wal-Mart call the corporate office and it will give you options...chose #2...then ask for whoever is in charge of reviewing and purchasing books. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 406 Registered: 7-2003 |
I wonder if someone mentioned that it is a re-make of a book already identified as "copied" if that might make a difference??? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 477 Registered: 12-2003 |
Diana, what could it hurt to write to Mel Gibson also? If you want to do it, go ahead, and Pheeki can also write as can anyone else who wishes to do so. I agree, Pheeki--it just makes me so upset when Adventists hide their identity and deceive people into "fellowship". Perhaps the WalMart representative or buyer should be given Dirk Anderson's website address... Thanks for all you've done, Pheeki and Diana, and for the addresses and phone numbers. Colleen | ||
| Tealeaves Registered user Username: Tealeaves Post Number: 78 Registered: 5-2004 |
Is Wal-Mart somehow SDA associated? I was researching the Clear Word on the internet, and noticed that Wal-Mart both carried and widely advertised it. I find that odd. Is it just a coincidence? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 324 Registered: 3-2004 |
I visited the Amazing Facts web site tonight. The DOA in its revised form is being advertised. So I wrote an e-mail saying I had seen the movie the Passion of Christ and had read the Bible about Jesus crucifixion, since the first of the year. I told them, that when I saw the movie the thought that kept going through my mind was that if I had been the only sinner, Jesus would have done this for me. I then wrote that one does not need a plagiarized book written by a false prophet to help us understand what Jesus did. I also said what was being done was unethical and deceptive, in my opinion. I wonder what kind of reply I will get. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 18 Registered: 7-2004 |
You tell them, Diana! I wonder if they will even respond to you. Keep the faith, though. If enough people tell them the same thing, maybe they will look at what they are doing and repent. Then again, I might be crediting those in charge with caring about the real gospel. They may just be interested in their bank account bottom line. Pray the Holy Spirit will work in this thing, too, but we owe it to Jesus Christ, our Savior, not to stand silently by while this sort of travesty takes place. Thanks for all the addresses, phone numbers, and websites. Everybody call and write! | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 37 Registered: 5-2004 |
I realize this is going to be a funny question, but as I was reading this news, Phil 1:18 came to mind. " What then, only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in this I rejoice." I've been studying with a devout SDA man and he is so hard to reach because when he was lost, someone gave him an EGW book which resulted in him coming to Christ. Now, he accepts grace and his salvation, although he still struggles with fighting his human side and trying to keep the law perfectly because its his understanding of what Christ would have him do. And he loves EGW and defends her relentlessly. And in our small group of friends here who...btw God is doing great things here and there's several households who are finding truth for the first time  Anyway, we've been studying diligently on wednesday nights and saturday mornings and we've been finding it interesting in several passages where Paul expressed that whatever a person believes they should believe it wholeheartedly, and that even those who don't have a full revelation can be saved if they believe in Christ in their heart. I may be way off here, and I'm just as irritated with this developement as I've boxed all my own EGW books up and deposited them in the basement. And this whole marketing thing with trying to sneak in with the Passion is completely dishonest. OOH..I could go on with that. But if we can't change this, maybe God can work through it anyway. And I haven't seen the book, does it advertise the SDA church? I suppose it would. Anyway, I guess I'm just trying to say that God can work good through apparent evil. But I hope and pray He intervenes if this is going to influence people erroneously. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 407 Registered: 7-2003 |
But the SDA goal is to make SDA converts. I'm not always confident the gospel or Christ really are the focus as much as a term used to sound "normal". Their effort also seems to be division. If they truly are a Christian body, why create so much strife, disharmony and distrust with the rest of the body? If I felt their goal was the same as "ours", I guess a little error will work itself out. But I don't think that's their goal. Their goal is to bind people into their theological perspective and "gospel". Yes, God can work through anything, but I wouldn't wish that path on anyone if I had my choice. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 326 Registered: 3-2004 |
Don't forget they are the "remnant church" who have the "complete" truth. Written tongue in cheek. Diana | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 374 Registered: 1-2003 |
Diana...a friend of mine wrote a scathing email to Doug Batchelor and he replied that he didn't have time to address it right now and one of his flunkies called her and said he would be getting back to her and he never did. He had advised his people to tell the unsuspecting person in their office, etc. that they were "loaning" the book Passion of love not giving it to them because then they had an excuse to follow up on it and maybe get them into SDA bible studies. My friend thought this was a deceptive tactic...he has yet to respond. | ||
| Vchowdhury1 Registered user Username: Vchowdhury1 Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2004 |
I think we should not get ourselves all worked up about this book coming out at Walmart. If people want to buy it, fine. If they don't, thats fine too. Even though I personally disagree with the whole EGW thing, I think that there are worst literature that people can buy that we should be more concerned about (Remember, we are in American and there is such as thing as freedom of speech. Who knows, maybe Walmart will carry the book "The White Lie" one of these days and some SDA's will try to get in pulled off the shelf). Plus, I believe that the more publicity you give to something (even negative publicity), the more it will sell. And getting all worked up over this book being sold at Walmart will keep us from doing more positive things that need to be done.(this is what the devil wants). | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 764 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes,the urge to loan the book to the uspecting so they can hook the people into SDA Bible studies is what was written up in the Annoying Fiction newsletter that is mailed out every so often. It seems deceptive to me, too. In the current Signs magazine Doug Botchler has an article in which he tells the story about one time when he was presenting the truth of the Sabbath to a Christian. This person says to him, Are you Jewish?" And, he answers her, "Well, yes, I am" and he continues telling her about the SDA truth. Weird, really weird. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 330 Registered: 3-2004 |
Vchowdhury,I agree, It would not be in my best interest to get all worked up about this. God will deal with the deception, though I feel I should yell out, THIS IS DECEPTION. I do know that the more attention called to a disturbing situation, the more people pay attention to it. They will want to know what it is all about. I know that this is the first time I have gotten worked up over anything that is of such interest to me and written a letter. Usually, I just talk it over with friends and if it is something I cannot control, I turn it over to God and that is what I am doing right now. God will take care of the deception in His time and I momentarily forgot that. Thanks for reminding me. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 480 Registered: 12-2003 |
I believe God calls us to expose truth in different, individualized ways. I see Esther's point; someone might discover Jesus through an EGW book, but God won't leave him there--just like my grandmother found the Bible through conversion to Adventism from Greek Orthodox. On the other hand, apologetics is a valid and necessary part of following Christ, and He does ask us to be prepared to speak in season and out of season, to defend the gospel and, as Paul did in Galatians, to expose and renounce heresy and to call people to accountability. I really believe that God gives some people the job of exposing and defending the truth in some circumstances while He gives other people other assignments at the same time in different venues. Whatever we do, we must be surrendered to Jesus and willing to follow His nudging, whatever He is asking us to do. I think there is valid reason to try to expose the true nature of this EGW book, but God may not be asking everyone to pursue it in the same ways. We can all pray against the deception and ask God to protect innocent people who are searching. And we can all pray and ask God whether or not he wants us to phone and write to key people about this. Some of us may truly know we must write. Others of us may not feel convicted to do so. Ultimately, we must ask Jesus to show us what He wants us to do and ask Him to make us willing to respond to His desires for us. That being said, Remnant Publishing is an agressive group that persistently searches for ways to get EGW into the hands of people. There really is vast deception here. And as Melissa pointed out above, the goal of Remnant (and SDAs in general) is proselytizing, not making "generic" Christians. Deception doesn't bother them if the ends justify the means in their eyes. Let's ask God to guide us individually about how to proceed. I'm sure some are being equipped to contact people and inform them, and others are being asked to pray. Whatever we do, Christ must be our focus and our goal, not merely exposing evil (if that makes sense!) Colleen | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 38 Registered: 5-2004 |
I hope I've not dampened the conviction of you all. I agree with everything you've said you're doing. And I fully see the heresy and "cultness" of the SDA's the further and further I get from it. I truly just struggle with understanding how I know there are devout and sincere CHRISTIAN SDA's who seem quite content in their walk with Christ within the church...and yet, there is such error. As in, "a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough". Please accept my apologies. And kudos to you all for your convictions. I really do think you should write the letters and try to stop it if possible...and I might even do my own. I guess my thoughts were more musings...and my own wonderings that I haven't resolved. | ||
| Ladylittle Registered user Username: Ladylittle Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2004 |
Esther, I actually appriciate what you've posted. Many times when I've been hurt I want to scream "and they did it on purpose too!!". Sometimes that IS the case, but not always! And even when Christ is preached for monetary gain, or to put down other Christians (as in the case of some of those Paul was talking about) Christ is preached. Jesus did say in one place that those that are not for us are against us. But He also said in another place those that are not against us are for us. I believe there are many sincere Christians on both sides of this issue. Mary | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 332 Registered: 3-2004 |
This is the reply I received from Amazing Facts. "Thank you for your comments regarding The Passion of Love book. May God bless you as you continue to seek Him. In His service, Amazing Facts" One never knows who read this and replied and if a seed was planted. Only God knows. God is AWESOME. Diana | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 95 Registered: 3-2004 |
For me, I find that if I'm all riled up with a wrong inner attitude, that is the time that the Holy Spirit can NOT use me to deal with issues. On the other hand, if I'm trusting to be led by the Holy Spirit, there have been times that I've confronted issues. As Collen stated, we will have different assignments from the Holy Spirit. That's one of the things I appreciate about being a "former"--being led by my relationship with Jesus. Praise God... | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 124 Registered: 4-2000 |
Some months ago, when this story first broke, I emailed both Walmart and Remnant Publications about this matter--neither responded. However, this doesn't mean my efforts were necessarily in vain. I understand that Remnant Publications advanced the idea of local Adventists quickly buying up copies at TEST Walmart store sites. Consequently, Walmart management would think it is a good seller and market the book in all their stores. Being born in deception, Adventism continues to deceive the unwary. Dennis J. Fischer |
